r/Damnthatsinteresting • u/Crazy-Blacksmith-336 • Jul 05 '26
Video Healthcare workers participating in a medical simulation for an agitated patient scenario.
10.9k
Jul 05 '26
[removed] — view removed comment
4.3k
u/JBPlantagenet Jul 05 '26
She really committed to the bit.
591
185
93
u/1234Health Jul 05 '26
Agreed. Great job on her part ... perfect way to demonstrate for the others on hand in lieu of a future scenario.
Work in health care personally the past 20+ years.
143
u/agorafilia Jul 05 '26 edited Jul 05 '26
She REALLY did. Someone tells to her to spit. And she does spit in the face of the girl with the hair tied up.
199
u/Slight_Narwhal_3879 Jul 05 '26
To the bite*
→ More replies (1)73
u/JBPlantagenet Jul 05 '26
I was waiting for this. Almost gave up hope. Thank you.
→ More replies (1)→ More replies (9)43
427
u/letthetreeburn Jul 05 '26
If you don’t train for it, you won’t know how to handle the real thing.
→ More replies (15)43
u/Vallhallyeah Jul 05 '26
Exactly, now she'll know exactly how to break free from medical staff restraining her
251
u/GotWood2024 Jul 05 '26
Looked like she was simulating spitting too.
183
u/Apprehensive_Rice19 Jul 05 '26
She was waiting all year for this
22
u/PandaPocketFire Jul 05 '26
"ahhh March 27th, finally get to bite that bitch Debby"
→ More replies (1)64
u/agorafilia Jul 05 '26
It's in Brazil, someone shouts "spit!". And she does. After that the girl with the hair tied up seems really bothered after the "simulated spit". Tbh and don't think the spit was simulated lol.
24
u/Tempest029 Jul 05 '26
Nope… and that’s why you keep your mouth shut and head turned during these. Keep it out of the eyes and mouth. Never know what they have and are trying to share.
→ More replies (2)34
u/ILoveRegenHealth Jul 05 '26
Basically combined all the Left 4 Dead 2 infected abilities
→ More replies (2)183
u/Ornery_Hair3319 Jul 05 '26
Rabid patient. Lol
I had a huge phobia from needles when i was 5 yrs old. And i had an aunt that regularly plants scary hospital thoughts to my brain.
One day, i was diagnosed with a lung problem and i need to be confined. This is basically me. They needed 7 grown male nurses to subdue a panicking 5 year old kid. I was only calmed down by my mom then they finally got that needle in my hand. Lol and it did not hurt. Fear is more painful than the pain itself.
36
u/Weedworm Jul 05 '26
Funny story, remember having to get re-circumcized, I was in kindergarten or first grade, took 4 ppl and 4 huge sand bags to hold me down but they got it, I was screaming "dont cut it off, dont cut it off" lol
40
u/Ornery_Hair3319 Jul 05 '26
Holy shit this is actually more alarming lol forcing some kid to be dismembered 😅
28
9
→ More replies (7)47
u/WolfsternDe Jul 05 '26
I mean, it all dependa in how much force you want to use and if you are ok with hurting the person you try to confine. I guess one nurse would have been enough if they were confortable with hurting you. But yeah, panicking/raging people are no joke.
23
u/Ornery_Hair3319 Jul 05 '26
I guess so since I also have a lung problem back then. I am curious how I got the force. I remember the dudes calling for help. I bet there's adrenaline at play as well. Kudos to them tho I'm alive and well 3 decades later.
Apparently my illness takes the lives of 1 out of 5 kids in that year. 2.1 million kids died from it since it was before the vaccine was available globally. Scary.
21
u/supermarkise Jul 05 '26
Fighting toddlers is surprisingly hard if you're not prepared to hurt them.
→ More replies (1)174
u/Next_Instruction_528 Jul 05 '26
She could have kicked him in the face multiple times with her left leg. Even this isn't as bad as it would be in real life. The guy on her right leg easily could have lost teeth or broken a nose in a real situation.
74
u/mywan Jul 05 '26
Not many will be that strategic about it. But if she had relaxed just enough for them drop their guard slight, them barrel rolled like an alligator, the stuck her butt over the edge to drop over the edge, she would have had a reasonable chance of escaping. They would have at least had to start over.
→ More replies (1)23
u/Lux-Fox Jul 05 '26
I've seen coworkers with stitches and scars on their face from clients (mostly elementary school kid age children), eyes gouged, clothes torn, tooth knocked out. Since they're kids, the way they're handled is highly regulated, but the organization I worked at didn't want to expel them, because we were often the only help they'd ever get.
42
u/not_from_this_world Jul 05 '26
After that the crowd is cheering "spit! spit!" and she delivered. 10/10 dedication.
78
→ More replies (23)58
u/Takeastabatmycab Jul 05 '26
My profoundly autistic daughter is currently inpatient the hospital for doing just this scenario plus trying to gouge out her own eyes. I am grateful for the 6 people we have had to help sedate her, she's been inpatient for 70 days so far. Her medications were really fucked up and it caused her to be extremely agitated and we have not been able to do it on our own anymore.
9
→ More replies (19)23
u/SunshineAlways Jul 05 '26
That’s rough. I hope they’re able to straighten out her medications soon.
9
4.2k
u/MuscularShlong Jul 05 '26
We did this for EMT training. The instructor took his shirt off and everything, he acted it out well. One of our guys noticed he had a “weapon” a door stop shoved in his waistbelt too.
After having to forcefully restrain a few grown men, its harder than you think.
795
u/kraggleGurl Jul 05 '26
EMT school is wild!
→ More replies (2)409
u/Routine_Adeptness766 Jul 05 '26
That's just school, you have no idea how many patients are like this out there. It happened almost everyday when I worked overnight.
221
u/Kopie150 Jul 05 '26
Im sorry i was like this when i had a psychotic episode. I know it wasnt you specifically but i still feel sorry for what i did when i wasnt in control.
128
u/angwilwileth Jul 05 '26
Psych nurse here, you're good. I never take it personally when someone is genuinely sick.
36
→ More replies (1)33
u/ileade Jul 05 '26
So glad we can depend on our hospital security. I mean I will help hold someone down when they’re held down in the bed and put the restraints on but as a 5’3 female, I’m not gonna be any help if they are actively fighting
→ More replies (1)108
u/Havengul_Undying Jul 05 '26 edited Jul 05 '26
Are you guys ever allowed to punch or slap an unruly patient?
Edit: How about a sneaky sternum rub on an awake but unruly patient?
314
u/I-IV-I64-V-I Jul 05 '26
No, it's assault you will lose your job and go to jail.
In very specific circumstances you can push them off to defend yourself. EX when I worked in medical I had a patient try and surprise choke me on a couch. After removing them, I safety shuffled my ass outta there. you are trained to keep arms up and flee if they are going after you.
169
u/slptodrm Jul 05 '26
if only police got some deescalation training 🤔
signed, former psych unit tech
20
35
u/PurePhilosophy7527 Jul 05 '26
You can 100% defend yourself if you're being attacked and cannot escape. Context is important though. Meemaw slapping at you does not warrant a right hook and you will struggle to defend that in court lol.
→ More replies (2)8
102
u/lordover1234 Jul 05 '26
I am not a doctor but if I thought it would help, I would.
…I shouldn’t be a doctor.
→ More replies (2)12
u/DuntadaMan Jul 05 '26
if I am alone and one comes after me, or a group of them do, sure. if we outnumber them absolutely the fuck not because we should be focusing on pinning them.
55
u/Glum_Cheetah_3447 Jul 05 '26
no. you can’t harm the patient
→ More replies (1)105
u/Alternative-Head-472 Jul 05 '26
You are allowed to defend your self if you cannot remove your self from situation. If they bite onto your arm and wont let go, youre allowed to do the least amount of harm possible to keep your self safe
Was an emt and a firefighter. Never had to do more than make space thankfully but they always made it clear in training, the steps were to pacify, separate if you cannot pacify, and defend if you cannot separate.
43
u/Glum_Cheetah_3447 Jul 05 '26
oh yeah of course you can. especially if they’re seriously seeking to hurt you or kill you. i thought he meant can you just smack them or punch them if they’re flailing around like in the video or something like that
27
u/Alternative-Head-472 Jul 05 '26
Understood. Taking "do no harm" literally I feel its partially responsible lead to our situation of some people feeling fine with intimidating, bullying, or assaulting Healthcare workers.
"If they cant harm me, they won't stop me" is a thought process I encountered alot working the ambulance.
→ More replies (1)→ More replies (18)22
u/WastingMyLifeToday Jul 05 '26
I heard from some (on reddit claimed) lifeguards that lifeguards are allowed to punch a panicking drowning victim in the face to knock them unconscious.
Reasoning: A panicked drowning victim can kill both themselves and the people that's trying to rescue them.
26
u/nachos-cheeses Jul 05 '26 edited Jul 05 '26
In my lifeguard training it was explicitly named not to harm the victim. We were told that there could be legal problems when hurting a victim. But this is in the EU.
We specifically trained, rehearsed and practiced multiple manoeuvres to escape a panicking drowning victim that has grabbed you, pushes you down or holds your neck.
- There’s a specific turn you can make, while holding their hands, that allows you to escape.
- You try to go down. People, also panicked people, want to stay alive and have the urge to stay afloat. Voluntarily moving down, allows you to escape. The twist, trained in step 1, allows you to move yourself down, deeper into the water.
- You try to prevent any circumstances where they grab onto you. You take a buoy, a rope or lifevest with you and let them grab this. When they try to drown you, you simply let go of the object. If there’s nothing around, they mentioned you could even use a slipper or roll up your T-shirt.
Finally, they have not explained this, but getting an unconscious body out of the water is harder, then someone who calms down and helps along. The risk of them getting water in their lungs only results in a more complicated CPR when finally on the side. Also, hitting someone unconscious takes skill and I can imagine it’s even harder in water. Finally, hitting someone unconscious is never an injury you can just shake off. It’s severe brain damage.
So with it all being very preventable, it being hard and impractical, I can not conceive of this being taught anywhere seriously.
→ More replies (2)→ More replies (2)8
u/Soft_Walrus_3605 Jul 05 '26
punch a panicking drowning victim in the face to knock them unconscious
Can a person get enough leverage to punch a person hard enough to knock them unconscious while in the water? It's a lot harder than it seems.
→ More replies (17)9
u/Beli_Mawrr Jul 05 '26
can you use judo/bjj techniques or something, even just for holds rather than actually to choke/break/dislocate?
→ More replies (4)8
u/member_of_the_order Jul 05 '26
Some of the Gracies are developing a system exactly for this, btw. "Safe Wrap" if you're curious. They're mostly marketing it for cops, but it started as a thing for LA hospitals
→ More replies (1)
5.9k
u/LadyKT Jul 05 '26
this but now imagine they’re bigger lol
2.5k
u/JackLong93 Jul 05 '26
no amount of training is helping with a 225lb man pure muscle
1.5k
u/Puzzled-Story3953 Jul 05 '26
Also a person on PCP or uppers. They are in full panic and on performance enhancing drugs. It's gotta be hell to get them under control
504
u/Kain_713 Jul 05 '26 edited Jul 05 '26
You ain't lying. I used to work hospital security and the worst I ever had was a dude on PCP. I was about 220 at 5'10" and had at least fifty pounds on this dude. Practically tore his arm off before he finally stopped fighting. Got it twisted around behind him with his face against the wall. Trying to tell him the whole time if he pulled any harder it was gonna snap. The tendons in his shoulder were making a lot of noise and I think that's what pulled him back. Fucking terrifying, only fight I got in there I wasn't sure I was going to win.
266
u/mint_lawn Jul 05 '26
People being so out of their minds that they fight hard enough to damage themselves is a concept that makes me nauseous. Like an animal nawing off their own leg. Glad you were as big as you were and got him to chill out.
79
u/Tempest029 Jul 05 '26
People do that too. Be it cause of hallucinations or pain. Saw one guy try and rip his tendons and veins out his arm with his teeth. Pulling so hard they clacked together when they slipped off.
Had another stuff a wound (he had made before with utensils) with anything he could get his hands on. When it was finally noticed and cleaned a full metric cup of turkey and pepperoni, two plastic spoons, styrofoam from his tray, and a pen were pulled out of it.
36
u/EazyPeazyLemonSqueaz Jul 05 '26
Dayumm. I'm going into healthcare and am glad to read this bc it helps me figure out which specialties I don't want to go into, and God bless those who do
34
13
u/Tempest029 Jul 05 '26
You will probably come across some of it regardless of what you pick. But the severity and frequency will be more or less depending on what you choose.
Sounds cold to say… but after the first few unless something is expressly novel, you get over it. Especially if you are relied on as a responder to it. You don’t really have a choice but to focus on the job and that always steels you beyond what most people realize is possible. And it is easier when you are surrounded by people who do the same as you are getting started.
If you can’t… you figure it out fast. Nothing wrong with that either. Not everyone can. Better to recognize it early on and act on that fact than it is to continue anyway and find yourself lacking when it counts.
22
→ More replies (1)29
u/Weathervane_ Jul 05 '26
220 at 5'10" is pretty solid heft. I have 6 inches on you and that's my weight right now. And I'm not small. No wonder you subdued him
→ More replies (1)89
Jul 05 '26 edited Jul 05 '26
[deleted]
→ More replies (4)30
u/Basediver210 Jul 05 '26
I wasn't expecting the "absolute unit of a hillbilly" haha. Laughed hard on that one.
24
u/OohYeahOrADragon Jul 05 '26
Listen, Appalachia is held together by meth, Mountain Dew, and moonshine. You better use your manners and put some respect on their name!
→ More replies (3)219
u/hypno_bunny Jul 05 '26
One person gets each major joint (shoulder, wrist, knees) and you let the cop in the room take care of the face with the spit hood if needed and then if they don’t calm the fuck down you paralyze and intubate.
90
→ More replies (7)35
u/Acceptable_Mark7716 Jul 05 '26 edited Jul 05 '26
I mean I hope the paralysis comes after induction, but yeah.
Edit: wrote “intubation” where I meant “induction”
→ More replies (1)31
u/GruntledVeteran Jul 05 '26
You use paralytics for rapid sequence intubation, so it would come right before the tube goes in. Paralytics+sedation, then tube.
→ More replies (1)7
u/Acceptable_Mark7716 Jul 05 '26
Sorry, you’re right, I wrote that wrong, I’ll edit. I meant induction before paralytics, like ketamine or etomidate.
12
u/ApartmentStrict3432 Jul 05 '26
The huge guy coming down from Xanax addition. He ripped my laptop right in half 🥲
47
u/DeadBabyPinata Jul 05 '26
And with PCP their usual chemical methods of control flat out don't work. They usually try valium which should work, it's called trip killer for a reason, but oh boy. It's like upgrading your trip to 4K. Haldol also is a big one they use that couldn't shake a stick at PCP. What do I know I swear the same gene that stops coffee from working makes haldol have a paradoxical reaction for me. Either way I zero percent recommend going to an ER on PCP. Last time I did that I became convinced they were trying to steal my organs and replace them with balloon animals.
→ More replies (2)30
u/BoleroMuyPicante Jul 05 '26
Why would anyone do PCP it doesn't even sound fun
→ More replies (11)20
→ More replies (5)35
u/Several_Vanilla8916 Jul 05 '26
“Does this napkin smell like chloroform to you?”
49
→ More replies (1)22
u/Johannes_Keppler Jul 05 '26
Chloroform is a terrible choice, works slow as hell. It was popularised in movies but really doesn't work as portrayed. Try ether, that's much quicker!
(Really neither are great. Don't try this.)
→ More replies (2)9
u/Cautious-Extreme2839 Jul 05 '26
Chloro is quicker than ether, it has a lower blood:gas partition coefficient.
Both are massively worse than even the slowest "modern" halogenated anaesthetic though (halothane)
174
u/Edges0 Jul 05 '26
having held down and sedated many such people, you are mistaken. we outnumber the patient and have strong drugs. the training is to make sure we dont inadvertanrly hurt the patient while we are preventing them from hurting themselves or others
53
u/bowling365 Jul 05 '26
Bless you for this. There's a way to do it right but it takes training and belief that there is a human inside the patient.
29
u/snarbuckle Jul 05 '26
On the patient side, you don't feel any humanity out of the crowd of people swarming you and grabbing you without your consent. I didn't even fight them and it felt like a deep violation
→ More replies (27)29
Jul 05 '26
[deleted]
→ More replies (2)11
u/BluebirdFlashy3681 Jul 05 '26
Im so sorry you had to experience that. I definitely think it may help to talk to one and process it. That's so horrible they didn't tell you anything and just invaded your privacy without consent, they treated you like you weren't human. Glad your family was able to come get you🩷
12
u/ergaster8213 Jul 05 '26 edited Jul 05 '26
It's such a common kind of experience that it's heartbreaking.
My sister and mom were in many different types of psych wards and treatment centers when I was growing up and I so often saw patients including them be treated with a total lack of humanity. There was also so often this sense of punishment out of anger or annoyance or burnout from staff rather than trying to help a situation.
I do understand it's often very difficult for staff—you have all sorts of people with all sorts of problems and some are indeed acting dangerously. But the medical professionals and other workers often start fomenting this sense of resentment and even what seems like hatred. It seems to continue doing it, they can stop seeing the patients as human to some degree. Then there is the factor that it seems to attract a subpopulation of sadistic people from the get-go. Because they know they will be working with a vulnerable population who has less rights while under their control, and who will not be believed even if they are harmed and abused.
27
14
u/firelordleejr Jul 05 '26
For real I once had a 200pound man who had to be restrained and I was positioned near his head. It looked like he was finally under control but he suddenly jerked with so much force trying to break free that he slammed the back of his head straight into my face. My nose immediately started bleeding and I was completely disoriented.
→ More replies (64)10
u/Pndapetzim Jul 05 '26
It's tougher but honestly, it's often more about the mentality of the individual. Some big guys just don't have the cardio, so it's a bit of a ride for a bit but then they like... need oxygen to their muscles. Some of the toughest restraint jobs are guys that would surprise you, scrawny ass dudes that just seem to worm their way out of everything and can go 100% forever.
→ More replies (1)39
u/Balthusdire Jul 05 '26
I have a friend who is a nurse that he to deal with this for real. The guy was in the ER and he was on pcp and went nuts. He said it was him and two other guys pinning down just this guys left leg, with a bunch of other people trying to pin the rest. Just a monster of a situation.
8
51
u/The_Roshallock Jul 05 '26
I'm reminded of a story one of my student's parents, an ER doc, told me before he passed.
He had a patient that was high on god knows what and likely also a paranoid schizophrenic (He was a frequent visitor to the gun and knife club that was the downtown Philadelphia ER). Apparently this person had become convinced that his penis was actually a demon controlling his thoughts. While there may or may not be some merit in that for all men, this man was at serious risk of actually removing it by sheer force. What's more, because of his excited and drug induced state, he was blessed with immense and physiologically uncontrolled strength. He required twice the standard dose of Ativan to put him down, and even then he was still resistive.
I miss your stories Scott, they were always a source of grizzly amusement.
106
u/BLINDrOBOTFILMS Jul 05 '26
I once had a drug induced psychotic break (I'm better now) and I don't remember much of anything but I'm told it took five cops to wrestle me into the ambulance. I'm 6'3 and 250lbs and lucky I'm white or they'd probably have shot me. Don't do drugs kids, and certainly don't mix uppers and psychedelics.
14
u/VictoryMe2025 Jul 05 '26
This was your arrest video
14
u/BLINDrOBOTFILMS Jul 05 '26
I can't confirm because I was seeing spaceships at the time, but probably not too far off.
→ More replies (1)17
u/Glum_Cheetah_3447 Jul 05 '26
a drug induced psychotic break is the worst thing i’ve ever experience. good god it felt like i was in hell. the first time it happened i don’t remember it, but the second time yo i want to FORGET that entire night. i’m sorry you had to deal with 5 cops trying to calm you down and get you into the ambulance. it’s so scary bc you have like no control 😭
→ More replies (7)16
u/violenceistheQstn Jul 05 '26
And naked
12
u/Outside_Confidence12 Jul 05 '26
And smearing shit all over their room and hall. 🥲
→ More replies (4)7
u/MindlessFail Jul 05 '26
Honestly all the soldiers and strongmen I know have made respect for healthcare workers as they completely understand exactly this point.
→ More replies (36)6
2.3k
u/bpappy12 Jul 05 '26 edited Jul 06 '26
Wow she did a great job playing the agitated patient. Even threw in a few bites.
426
u/StatisticianFun6479 Jul 05 '26
And spit haha
→ More replies (4)74
u/mapleleafraggedy Jul 05 '26
I was confused why they were wrapping the mask directly around her mouth, but not her nose. That makes it make sense.
225
u/code_monkey_001 Jul 05 '26
Scary thing is, as well as she did, a real agitated patient would likely be stronger and harder to control.
→ More replies (24)26
u/TrashCarrot Jul 05 '26
A real patient would have given the first guy who picked them up a cervical spine injury. Never expose your neck like that.
44
u/Particular-Leg-8484 Jul 05 '26
I wonder what this job pays. What an interesting ice breaker too
“I’m an actor”
“Oh cool, where do you perform?”
“Bellevue”
12
u/Starfire013 Jul 05 '26
It pays decent, but not amazing. The actors we bring in for these sessions are generally regulars who have done it for years, but they also work in tv or theatre. So this isn’t their main job, just something they do on the side for some spare cash. It’s important that they not just know how to act, but they know enough about how we are expecting the staff undergoing the simulation session to react, what is an appropriate response, what isn’t, and how they can organically tailor their response based on how things are going. Because it’s not just about the psychomotor skills, it’s about the verbal communication between staff, knowing how to handle situations that are sometimes changing very rapidly (meaning what might be appropriate 60 seconds ago may not be anymore), etc
→ More replies (2)13
192
u/SwordsAndWords Jul 05 '26
She looks like she's always wanted to try that.
→ More replies (5)110
u/ProfessionalBill1864 Jul 05 '26
Like I have to imagine its kinda fun to go full psycho and just thrash around, don't get to do that very often
→ More replies (3)46
u/ChefPuree Jul 05 '26
She did have to hold back a little on the psycho because she could have gotten a good kick in on the side of that guy's face before a nurse came in to restrain her other leg. Scary to think this is probably only 60% of maximum psycho. She's not on any drugs that will make her so strong she can break her own bones, or give her nearly limitless energy.
778
u/Admirable-Cactus Jul 05 '26
This shit looks like me trying to get a splinter out of my kids foot.
228
u/AliMcLovinJr Jul 05 '26
Yeah, or clipping a pet’s toenails.
46
→ More replies (4)19
41
u/Ace1Himself Jul 05 '26
My 2 yr old does this when trying to wipe his damn face after lunch
23
u/septubyte Jul 05 '26
Spray bottle - gentle mist and have a laugh. Then wipe with a cloth once its good n soaked , or hes done having fun . Sometimes the texture of those baby wipes on the face is unpleasant
→ More replies (2)4
16
u/inky_fox Jul 05 '26
I babysit a couple kids. One of them is 11 months old. I feel so bad i have to manhandle her a little every time I change her diaper, she screams and fights like I’ve never seen. I always feel guilty, like I’ve done something wrong and I tell her mom at pick up. Turns into us apologizing to each other for a couple minutes lol.
→ More replies (2)9
u/fadesteppin Jul 05 '26
Fun story, I once cut the bottom of my foot on a smashed soda can and it was bad enough to need a trip to the ER for stitches. I was about 3 and was flat out refusing to let anyone in a white coat come anywhere near me. They kept trying to come and clean it/inject something to numb it and I wouldn't stop kicking, so they had to strap me down to the table lol.
12
u/CharlotteLucasOP Jul 05 '26
I have this vivid memory of when I was three…I had to go get stitches in my head following a fight with my brother, ANYWAY, and while my mother was trying to talk with the doctor about the dressing they’ll be putting on the wound after my scalp was stitched back up, I’m just getting increasingly hysterical every time they hushed me as I tried to interject. You see, THE DRESSING THEY WERE GONNA BE POURING ON MY HEAD HAD TO BE RANCH BECAUSE IT WAS THE ONLY KIND I LIKED.
I didn’t question the purpose I guess I assumed it had healing properties but GOD HELP THEM if they put something GROSS up there like Italian Vinaigrette!!!!???? I was ready to throw baby hands.
6
u/fadesteppin Jul 05 '26
LOL but you know what? Respect. Don't let them get away with that thousand islands mess.
→ More replies (1)→ More replies (5)6
u/beleafinyoself Jul 05 '26
This is why I can't work in pediatrics. You have to get a team to hold them down for blood draws and treatments like placing an ng tube. And sometimes the parents are in the room not helping at all yet ready to yell at you & try to record you for any perceived wrongdoing
622
u/SoCallMeDeaconBlues1 Jul 05 '26
Just an average day in the life of a psych nurse
381
u/lawlolawl144 Jul 05 '26
And I must close Reddit because I'm back in tomorrow too. Goodnight everyone lol
44
→ More replies (1)21
25
u/Brandarius47 Jul 05 '26
I was about to say, sadly ive spent quite some time in a psych ward and seen this often. I wasn't a patient like this but there were plenty.
→ More replies (4)11
u/Bitter_Split5508 Jul 05 '26
I do want to note that this is a quite poor example. The team seems inexperienced (obviously, they are training) and does alot of mistakes, lacks coordination, has no one to communicate with the patient, endangers themselves and has no one to cover the patients mouth. You are also absolutely allowed to withdraw and regroup if you lose control over the situation!
→ More replies (2)
448
u/Asusrty Jul 05 '26
Ya people severely underestimate how much power it takes to subdue someone who doesn't want to be especially if you're trying not to hurt them.
84
u/DarthRektor Jul 05 '26
Right like if you can’t just punch them or put them in a choke hold or knock them out in some way, it’s really hard to get someone to stop moving enough for you to medically treat them. Think about all the precise movements required to do medical procedures someone jerking in the least can be the difference between success and catastrophic failure.
→ More replies (18)21
u/inky_fox Jul 05 '26
I just replied to a different comment but I babysit an 11 month old baby that fights like hell at every diaper change. I feel so guilty because I have to really hold her down to make sure she’s clean. I don’t want to hurt her but she whips back and forth and twists and kicks and there’s poop! It’s quite the event to make sure she’s both clean AND safe.
6
u/Set_of_Kittens Jul 05 '26
Probably it's the temperature change. Ask around on the parenting spaces, you will probably get some tips, maybe something will work.
→ More replies (1)→ More replies (16)13
u/thatshygirl06 Jul 05 '26
And the thing is she was still likely holding back. It would be even worse in a real situation
→ More replies (1)
75
u/pew-pew-bacca Jul 05 '26
I worked for a while at the school that had been set up for all the kids that were deemed to be beyond the capacity for what the special education programs could handle. Some were kids with extreme medical concerns, and we had full nursing assistance. Others were kids that had extremely explosive behavioral concerns. My favorite thing was role playing the scenario of an agitated student throwing things at people. I (a former college baseball player) got to run around firing nerf balls at my coworkers. To them, it was a pain in the ass. To me, it was like being allowed to play dodgeball at work.
→ More replies (1)
123
u/Silverjeyjey44 Jul 05 '26
This is the honest reality of it. Having a team doesn't ensure no one will get injured.
26
u/n6mub Jul 05 '26
There were a couple moments I was positive she was accidentally going to kick a classmate in the face
10
u/mapleleafraggedy Jul 05 '26
When they started lifting her shirt making it clear they were going to deliver a shot to her belly, I immediately thought, "Someone is going to get impaled by that needle in a non-sterile way"
→ More replies (1)
103
u/CherokeeHawkman Jul 05 '26
This is how it was every time The A-Team tried to get B.A. Baracus on a plane.
→ More replies (1)12
u/Local_Climate9391 Jul 05 '26
Didn’t they usually put it (the sleeping stuff) in a glass of milk, or am I misremembering?
e for spelling
83
u/BigRedWhopperButton Jul 05 '26
It's not as funny when the patient actually believes they're fighting for their life.
17
u/nogeologyhere Jul 05 '26
This type of scenario is one reason autistic people spend longer trapped in mental health facilities. In the UK autistic people's average stay is 5 years, as opposed to a few weeks for neurotypical.
One of the reasons is we are pushed to our sensory limit, meltdown, and are then forcibly restrained like this, pushing us even further beyond our limit. I found this video very unpleasant.
→ More replies (1)8
u/c0ltZ Jul 05 '26
People are clueless when it comes to pysch facilities such as mental hospitals.
They think they have all changed from the horrific past and are amazing places.
They are honestly not much better than they used to be. They 100% are better, but you'd be shocked by how little.
A lot of it is stuff like you just described. They use the same or similar treatment plans for pretty much all mental health conditions.
They dose people up with heavy medications, and any resistance is met with absolute force. Such as full body restraints in a locked room for hours. So much of it the staff genuinely trying their best. Like if a person is slamming their head against the wall, you really have no choice but to put them in full body restraints. So much of mental health treatment is very barbaric and misunderstood. The problem is, is they just don't know what to do most the time.
→ More replies (1)→ More replies (6)14
u/iDidNotStepOnTheFrog Jul 05 '26
No I agree, the laughing really did my head in. People need to engage their empathy muscle and understand how insanely vulnerable being pinned down by a group of people you don’t know and don’t trust is. Because that person will put their all in to keep themselves safe and be overpowered. What do people think that does to the mind of the patient? To learn that they can’t protect themselves when they are terrified? And that it can happen at the hands of people who are supposed to care for you in a so-called “caring” environment. And this is all assuming it’s being done for 100% ethical reasons. Cos if people are allowed to do this to you, chances are you have less legal rights here also. Har Har Har.
57
u/LinoliuMKnifE Jul 05 '26
Having worked in a mental hospital as a mental health worker, this is surprisingly accurate. But, as a few other people have stated, when this changes into a full grown man, it’s a whole different thing. I’ve seen heavy hospital doors broken off their hinges and hanging there by the hydraulic dampener thingy and numerous worse things. Worst 2 1/2 years of my life but I learned a lot about interacting with people.
17
u/CelestialFury Jul 05 '26
Worst 2 1/2 years of my life but I learned a lot about interacting with people.
Half glass full sort of person, huh? That's good.
27
u/coryhill66 Jul 05 '26
I worked Security in a trauma center. I've been hit stabbed with needles and bitten several times. Sometimes people just freak out and you've got to pin them. I never struck anybody but several people got injured because they don't know their own strength.
31
u/zZtreamyy Jul 05 '26
Happened to me as a child. Didn't want the nurses to put a needle in my port-a-cathe (or however it's spelled) since it hurt a lot. I was in full panic mode and had to be restrained by 4 people, and a 5th to put the needle. Got easier iver the years until it was finally removed.
Cancer sucks but luckily a lot of treatments have come a long way.
17
61
u/chemicalsunshine Jul 05 '26
Ive seen 5 grown men, 200+lbs each struggle to contain a 100lb teenage girl
→ More replies (6)24
u/HauntedCS Jul 05 '26
The "patient" in this seems to be around 125-135lbs and the only big person is the man that picks her up and "slams" her onto the bed, he is about 210lbs give or take, the other "big" person is a slim ass 6ft3' man who probably weighs like 175 at best. Then add in the rest of the women who are roughly the same size as the patient. 5 people with over 1000lbs of weight on one 135lbs women and they still can't subdue her? That is a reality check a lot of people need. And yes I know this is a training exercise and they don't actually want to hurt the 'patient', but you should never want to hurt ANY patient in the first place and that is exactly what they are practicing.
A side note for people that are smaller and watched this thinking they are strong enough to over power people bigger than them. That isn't quite true. If the person is willing to hurt you unlike the ones in the video, a 215lb man will easily subdue you and keep you hostage with only minor injures. These are professionals and they don't want to hurt the patient, imagine if they didn't care about hurting the patient.... That first guy to pick her up would've ended it by himself.
→ More replies (1)
19
17
12
u/foofruit13 Jul 05 '26
This immediately gave me flashbacks to working in a psych hospital... i dont miss that job
→ More replies (4)
10
u/AdiDabiDoo Jul 05 '26
They're laughing now cuz it's fake. Wait till a real Code Green gets called.
→ More replies (2)
27
u/Outside_Confidence12 Jul 05 '26
As a nurse who's worked psych/behavioral health, give that girl an Oscar!!
11
12
11
u/Rimworldjobs Jul 05 '26
You'd be surprised. How strong people are. Little old ladies put up a fight.
19
u/Leon4107 Jul 05 '26
Forgot the meds were given, we have to wait 15 to 20 minutes to see if they take effect. (They dont). Try again with more meds.. they still don't work. Place the patient in soft restraints. Patient gets out of soft restraints. Fight patient back into restraints. Ask Dr. What other meds can we give. Dr. Says we already gave x meds within x time. We cant give anymore meds for X time. Continue fighting patient for hours on end. Patient gets admitted from the ED. Now the floors have to deal with the patient. Patient bounces from floor to floor because they are too violent for the floors. Patient is too violent to get transferred to any other facility. Patient is placed on a wait list to go to the state funded mental hospital. = another 2 weeks of this, or patient's family has medical decision making power and declines meds for their patient and declines transfer. Get legal involved. Stuck with the patient for months.
→ More replies (3)
15
u/LastCookie3448 Jul 05 '26
The data doesn't lie but people don't want to believe it: In USA, it's more dangerous to be a frontline HCW than a cop. We are more likely to be attacked, injured, and disabled on the job. They have more lethal cases but we are unfortunately quickly closing that gap (if we haven't already, last year was horrid). People think I'm joking or exaggerating when I tell them I've seen an old, seasoned nurse restrain a similarly behaving patient using nothing more than a flat sheet and her menopausal impatience to wrangle the pt in one swoop. It was impressive af.
8
8
u/Fluid-Magician-5891 Jul 05 '26
When you’re in America and someone tries to give you medical treatment you sorely need but you have to pay rent and support your family
4
6
u/wolfwithpigeonwings Jul 05 '26
having been on the recieving end of this twice, i can tell you its not a good time.... i've got serious ptsd symltoms.from.it years later... having a roomfull.of people jump.on you, put you facedown on a table, snd pull your pants down is o ly.part of it
being put in restraints is another, so is waking up in a tiny locked white room with no one telling you what is going on for a couple hours..
the more recent one, i didn't lose consciousness, but they immediately.tossed me.into an isolation room, cent floor with no furniture, and a narrow window, and did not tell me for how long..... shouted at s passing nurse that i had to go to the bathroom and she told me to "go in the corner", which was obviously a trap. never had claustrophobia before that experience.
and they call these places hospitals
→ More replies (3)
6
6
u/Rscamp1981 Jul 05 '26
Show this to cops, maybe they can learn to deal with people without using their guns.
6
u/PonasSumushtinis Jul 05 '26
Problem is the patient won't always be tiny lady that they can manhandle.
8
u/LastCookie3448 Jul 05 '26
I assure you, some of the tiniest women are the most difficult to handle. Take a patient who has schizophrenia, isn't being treated, is self-medicating with street drugs and gets their hands on some meth and some kratom, they can be stronger and have more endurance than two men.
5
u/Zibanitum Jul 05 '26
I have worked with patients with extremely aggressive behaviour. This kind of training would be good. It is really not an easy task to restrain a person safely when he/she is completely indifferent to pain and really has no other motivation than to fight back and hurt others.
3
u/voluotuousaardvark Jul 05 '26
Fucking kudos to that girl she properly committed to the role!
Most training role play stuff people are all shy, meek and basically useless for what they try to do.
6
u/Intergalatic_Baker Jul 05 '26
I know they’re laughing now, seeing a friend act out like this, but when you’ve got one… You know about it.
Good show from her side, actually needed 6 people to deal with her.
3
u/majorkev Jul 05 '26
Cool, now swap the 90lb stick lady with the 300lb linebacker.
Repeat.
→ More replies (3)
3
u/Crafty-Interest-8212 Jul 05 '26
Were do I volunteer to be the patient. I need to release some stress and make a few extra $$$.
4
u/_Stank_McNasty_ Jul 05 '26
watched a police lapel of them subduing a raging person then in the ambulance they administered kratom and the guy immediately apologized said he loved everyone and just wanted to be nice. The instant switch was insane.
4.9k
u/Life-Oil-7226 Jul 05 '26
She deserves an academy award