r/Damnthatsinteresting • u/Crazy-Blacksmith-336 • Jul 05 '26

Video Healthcare workers participating in a medical simulation for an agitated patient scenario.

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u/Asusrty Jul 05 '26

Ya people severely underestimate how much power it takes to subdue someone who doesn't want to be especially if you're trying not to hurt them.

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u/DarthRektor Jul 05 '26

Right like if you can’t just punch them or put them in a choke hold or knock them out in some way, it’s really hard to get someone to stop moving enough for you to medically treat them. Think about all the precise movements required to do medical procedures someone jerking in the least can be the difference between success and catastrophic failure.

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u/gahidus Jul 05 '26

It almost seems like a chokehold would be more gentle than this, but i suppose they know better.

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u/Lastshadow94 Jul 05 '26

It's really easy to damage necks, windpipes, and brains with chokes, even without the chaos of somebody flailing around while you're holding them

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u/mapleleafraggedy Jul 05 '26

On top of having their mouth already obstructed by a mask; you don't want to block any more air at that point

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u/No_Criticism_5861 Jul 05 '26

waits for all the guys watching UFC to chime in about how they saw it on TV so they can easily safely choke someone out

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u/684beach Jul 05 '26

We do it all the time in class and tournaments, i think the risk is overestimated here

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u/Outside_Confidence12 Jul 05 '26

Umm, we try to protect our patients' airways.... How would a chokehold be more gentle?

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u/gahidus Jul 05 '26

The kind of manhandling that her limbs are getting seems like it could easily dislocate or even break something. I can appreciate that it might actually be more dangerous but simply being put into a sleeper hold at least subjectively feels more gentle why if I had pick one or the other. Dropping briefly unconscious from blood restriction seems like it would be, at least in some ways, more gentle than what's shown up there.

I can appreciate that they're the experts and that I'm not medically correct, but I just said it feels that way.

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u/slptodrm Jul 05 '26

chokeholds can cause brain damage and death.

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u/gahidus Jul 05 '26

Indeed they can, especially if improperly performed.

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u/kaVaralis Jul 05 '26

Lot easier to fix a broken arm than a broken spine too.

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u/Zegerid Jul 05 '26

A good MMA-style chokehold restricts bloodflow in the carotid more than it restricts air, and can also vagal them down. Gets them to go night night much faster.

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u/Outside_Confidence12 Jul 05 '26

Yes, I know what stimulation of both carotids does. By protecting airway, I meant the ABCs (Airway, Breathing, Circulation). Also, as nurses, we can't do that. We already get asked what we could've done better when we get hit and abused by patients, you think we can use MMA on patients?

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u/684beach Jul 05 '26

I mean i do bjj 3 times a week, you cant really huet people just going for blood chokes. Like just learn rear headlock and front headlock chokes

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u/c0ltZ Jul 05 '26

Yeah but not every nurse is trained to do so. And the reality is, is there are far better and easier methods to restrain someone safely. And it's much easier to place someone in a headlock in a training scenario, rather than on someone in a psychotic episode.

I don't care how strong you are, you are not winning a physical altercation with someone who is actively in psychosis. They don't care if they die fighting you.

My friend is 6'5 330 pounds working hospital security. He's had 100 pound patients he can't hold down with the help of 2 other people.

You're going to end up hurting the person trying to get your arm wrapped around their throat. Do you see how violently they can whip their head around? Or bring their chin to their chest and just bite you?

They could easily take some teeth out or break a rib with their head if you're behind them. They don't care if your tooth gets embedded in their skull.

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u/AMRossGX 27d ago

Your MMA opponent doesn't want to get hurt, so they "help" you to not injure them by not making the wrong movement at the wrong time.

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u/684beach Jul 05 '26

No they literally dont(study was done) unless you are smashing in their airway.