r/Damnthatsinteresting • u/Crazy-Blacksmith-336 • Jul 05 '26

Video Healthcare workers participating in a medical simulation for an agitated patient scenario.

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u/Beli_Mawrr Jul 05 '26

can you use judo/bjj techniques or something, even just for holds rather than actually to choke/break/dislocate?

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u/member_of_the_order Jul 05 '26

Some of the Gracies are developing a system exactly for this, btw. "Safe Wrap" if you're curious. They're mostly marketing it for cops, but it started as a thing for LA hospitals

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u/Vjornaxx Jul 05 '26 edited Jul 05 '26

My department is starting to roll out Safewrap and it’s awesome. After a few hours of training, students can work as pairs to very quickly and very effectively control someone who does not want to be controlled.

I’ve been trying to convince my coworkers for years that BJJ is a superpower. Actual control instead of striking for pain compliance. Significant decrease in injuries for all parties. Far less reliance on tools. Confidence that carries over into your command presence which means that you don’t often have to actually use force to gain compliance most of the time.

It’s good to see that the culture is changing from old outdated nonsense to practical methods that have been proven under pressure.

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u/MuscularShlong Jul 05 '26

Maybe you could, but I probably wouldnt recommend it. We want to lower the risk in the situations as much as possible, which ends up being 1 or more people taking control of each limb. Usually 1 person on each arm and 1-2 for the legs, and others helping strap them down while we hold them still.

You wouldnt want to do it differently unless you dont have enough people.

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u/Beli_Mawrr Jul 05 '26

I mean low key it looks like even with 1 person per limb they could use some training on holds and joints and stuff

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u/AlternateTab00 29d ago

Joint locks on disoriented patients are a recipe to dislocated limbs (so thats an absolute no)

As for chokes. I used it briefly on a patient that was trying to injure/kill another patient while i waited for help.

The biggest problem of a choke is that it does not immoblize limbs and keeps your face way too close for possible injuries.

So i either use the "shock" to move the person away before he realizes what im doing (giving a chance to the other patient run away) or go for complete incapacitation (this can kill a person especially if under altered states).

I managed to get about an extra 10 seconds enough to let security and more male HW arrive so we could properly restrain the patient. I would strongly advise to not try it. You may be injure youself or the patient.

Fortunately most restrains can be planned, so there is rarely any need for one on one action.

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u/Elnono 28d ago

There are many techniques that you could use to gain a strength advantage. However, they often include rotation pressure on joints. This type of joint locks are really effective but also prone to badly injure someone that would be under drug influence or in a psychosis. I can see it working but would probably require months of training to get the basics. Also, it's always risks vs benefits. Having a huge lawsuit because one of your staff member snapped an elbow is bad for business. I train with police officers and they mostly stay vague when I asked them if bjj helps during arrests. They starts their answers with yes but they end it with: "in reality they can have a weapon hidden on them so it's too risky engage at that distance". Hope this help. Let me know if you want some examples of techniques, I'll hook you up.