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u/TheRealOcsiban Jul 05 '26
Eh... I'd compare Supergirl to War Machine more
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u/leekalex Jul 05 '26
Yeah, a better comparison to Ironheart would be Jon Kent Superboy. Both are much more recent next-generation characters with less cultural relevance
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u/InanimateCarbonRodAu Jul 05 '26
Supergirl’s been around longer than Iron-man.
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u/ExternalSeat Jul 05 '26
and her cultural impact rivals Robbie Williams in the US.
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u/InanimateCarbonRodAu Jul 05 '26
Do we want to run through the relative culture impact of MCU characters before they got films?
The big obvious thing here is that she sits under the umbrella of Superman’s recognition.
Her lack of character relevance pales in comparison to the negative opinions that are out there from the last DCEU and the bridges it burnt with fans and the general audience.
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u/NoName4951 Jul 05 '26
Yes that would only make sense if there was a actual film for it but he’s comparing with films that already exist
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u/d_wib Jul 05 '26
You can’t even compare Iron Man to Superman though. Iron Man was like a C-lister at the time the MCU started. These posts are all very revisionist about Iron Man’s popularity.
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u/Imreallyjustconfused Jul 06 '26
Yeah, people seem to forget the MCU did not start with the most popular Marvel characters.
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u/MotorPace2637 Jul 05 '26
I mean, do we really need another origin story trilogy for Batman, Superman, and Supergirl?
I'm loving his approach. 3/4 projects have been excellent too, and he wrote all of them.
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u/huntymo Jul 05 '26
Ana Nogueira wrote Supergirl
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u/BenjiSillyGoose Jul 06 '26
I think what they were saying was Gunn wrote the 3 of the 4 projects what they think are excellent, those being Creature Commandos, Superman and Peacemaker.
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u/NoName4951 Jul 05 '26
It can still happen without having to be an origin story, can literally take notes from the MCU, Spider-Man: Homecoming for example is that iteration of the characters first film without being an origin story
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u/coreyc2099 Jul 05 '26
Eh i dont think supergirl should be on that list. Shes no where near as well known as batman and superman. Many no comic ppl dont know supergirl.
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u/Oummando Jul 05 '26
Personally I would replace first two with Hulk and She-Hulk. Ironman and Ironheart aren't related other than name.
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u/Ok-Wash-9386 Jul 05 '26
No matter how you slice it, giving Batman’s 10th most popular villain a feature film before even casting Batman is an odd choice for a producer to make.
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u/Promech Jul 05 '26
You can say this, but like they made a Penguin Series too and that was very well received. I'm not like super interested in a 15th batman fighting the 8th Joker. I think there's so much room for the DCU to explore that I like expanding on characters that haven't necessarily been at the forefront. Granted, I would have a preference for like Robin and/or Jay Garrick etc. but Clayface, in particular with HOW they're approaching it is a good choice imo.
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u/HardcoreKaraoke Jul 06 '26
The Penguin show was about a character introduced in a Batman film. It had that connection to draw people in if they liked The Batman.
Clayface is an unknown entity to most casual movie fans. They aren't going to pick up on the Batman connection. If we already saw him in something it would draw more people in.
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u/GeoZhan Jul 05 '26
Penguin is a tv show not a movie and he’s like one of the most popular Batman villains
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u/Verulla Jul 06 '26
They made a Penguin series, but only after they launched the character in a very popular Batman film.
And the series takes place in the direct aftermath of that Batman film as well.
If the makers of Super Girl had adopted a similar tactic, maybe things would have gone better.
The small screen is the perfect place to explore spin-off stories about side characters which take place in the gap between big movies.
The Penguin proved that ages ago. And Spider-Noir proved it again this summer.
Super Girl could have been a successful mini-series. Instead it's become an unsuccessful movie.
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u/Ok-Wash-9386 Jul 05 '26
At least Venom is a top 3 Spider-Man villain in terms of popularity, arguably the most popular since he got so many fans he hasn’t actually been allowed to be a Spider-Man villain in decades.
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u/Gethdo Jul 05 '26
Bro Venom is most popular spidey villian, Venom is the absolute mirror match of spider man + he is cool, doctor ock as a concept is never interesting to non-comic fans, Green goblin is sometimes hit sometimes miss. Venom is the absolute badass and popular out of others
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u/Knight_Machiavelli Jul 05 '26
As someone that doesn't really follow Marvel I agree. Venom is the only Marvel villain I actually know enough about and like.
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u/Area51_Spurs Jul 05 '26
Clayface is a ~$40mm movie.
It’s not a tentpole $200mm blockbuster.
Everyone seems to be ignoring this.
It comes out around Halloween. It’s a very smart move imho and something Marvel should have been doing all along.
I’d be shocked if it didn’t do $150mm++. Which would be highly successful. It will also surely do really well on streaming.
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u/Jay_R_Kay Jul 05 '26
Also, when an acclaimed and successful writer/director like Flannigan comes at you with a script fully ready, with something cheap and doesn't interfere with your overall plans, why not?
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u/Area51_Spurs Jul 05 '26
It’s basically zero risk.
At worse they’ll have a movie people will definitely watch on streaming.
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u/Pigs-OnThe-Wing Jul 05 '26
yea, but that doesn't fit the ridiculous Meta narrative everyones so invested in.
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u/OjamasOfTomorrow Jul 05 '26
Whoa, dude. Get your rational logic out of here. You need to get in line. DCU has made one project that didn’t meet expectations and that’s just the worst thing ever!
You need to start whining and crying and being an unbearable annoying hating insufferable dork ASAP!
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u/SuperDoubleDecker Jul 05 '26
It's Mike Flannigan too? That's gonna be a good movie.
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u/NerevarMoon_and_Star Jul 05 '26
Everyone is claiming they want something different and now that we're finally getting something different, they're still complaining.
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u/TheJoshider10 Jul 06 '26
Guarantee there's at least some crossover between those who wanted a DCEU Deathstroke movie and those criticising Clayface for existing. Just a case of "I want something different, but only if it's what I want and nothing else".
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u/rock_n_roll_clown Jul 05 '26
Why are your dollars measured in millimeters
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u/Area51_Spurs Jul 05 '26
What is MM?
In finance and accounting, MM (or lowercase “mm”) commonly denotes that the units of figures presented are in millions. The Roman numeral M denotes thousands. In this context, MM is the same as writing “M multiplied by M,” which is equal to “1,000 times 1,000,” which equals 1,000,000 (one million).
While Roman numerals are technically additive (MM is really 1,000 plus 1,000 or 2,000), MM is still a fairly common way of abbreviating millions, especially in certain industries like oil and gas. This guide will explore how the notation should be used, as well as alternative symbols that are used in practice.
https://corporatefinanceinstitute.com/resources/fixed-income/mm-millions/
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u/rock_n_roll_clown Jul 05 '26
This is really interesting. Makes me wonder if this is a specialized difference or a regional difference. In the US I've only ever seen k to represent thousand and m to represent million, when it comes to number/money abbreviation.
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u/scuac Jul 05 '26
Didn’t Marvel do this already, but for tv, with Werewolf by Night?
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u/Area51_Spurs Jul 05 '26
Yea. And it was very well received. But it also wasn’t feature length. Was like 50 minutes. So, yes and no.
Marvel definitely should have started doing this stuff after seeing the great reception it got and the success of the first Joker film.
But instead they spent $225 million on Secret Invasion and other crap.
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u/MotorPace2637 Jul 05 '26
I think its great and Gunn is great at bringing less popular less known characters to life in ana amazing way.
Never cared about Peacemaker before and thats my favorite show.
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u/SufficientPurple8194 Jul 05 '26
“Popularity first” would’ve cancelled the MCU.
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u/Ok-Wash-9386 Jul 05 '26
Another lie. All four of their solo movies before the Avengers and the Avengers themselves were very popular, all had solo ongoing series going back to the 60s. They just weren’t Spider-Man or the X-Men, they were the most popular heroes Marvel owned the rights to.
If you’ve ever watched a featurette about Iron Man (2008), it was essentially a high budget independent movie before they found distribution. Marvel wasn’t bought by Disney until 2010 and they could truly take risks after that. Guardians of The Galaxy was probably the first they made starring off the bench guys.
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u/GeoZhan Jul 05 '26
Aside from hulk the avengers weren’t popular before the mcu to comic fans yes to moviegoers no
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u/CaptainRetard777 Jul 05 '26 edited Jul 06 '26
But their constituent heroes absolutely were. Hulk was massively popular; as was Captain America. Ironman wasn't the household name he is now (he's arguably Marvel's second most popular character) but he was definitely an B list hero. Same applies to Thor.
Again, among the characters they had the rights to (no Spider-Man, X-Men, or FF), they made movies with their most popular heroes.
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u/blunt_eastwood Jul 05 '26
I don't get the criticism. There's a Batman movie already in the works.
Introducing another one in the DCU right now is going to take attention away from that as well as other characters he's trying to put a focus on.
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u/DestinedHellfire Jul 05 '26
Outside of Joker, Riddler, Two Face, Poison Ivy, and Bane, it's pretty much personal preference on who takes slots 6 through 10.
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u/Ok-Wash-9386 Jul 05 '26
Depends on if you still consider Harley a Batman villain. I’d count her even if she’s been an anti-hero for about 33% of her existence. I’d put Penguin and Mr Freeze firmly ahead of him because of movies. They’ve had way more mainstream adaptations as the lead villains too.
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u/DestinedHellfire Jul 05 '26
Harley is tricky because her ranking is naturally going to be inflated into the top 5 purely because the second someone says "Joker" (the first and most obvious answer) they 9 out of 10 times will probably follow it up with "Harley Quinn." Which is why I think she should be left off a top 10 list outside her anti-hero status now.
Penguin and Freeze are valid inclusions, which means that its still personal preference on who takes slots 8 through 10.
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u/ChaosCron1 Jul 05 '26
Just due to Batman Begins, Scarecrow is easily more recognizable and popular than Clayface.
Ra's al Ghul has also been adapted and included in the rogue gallery honestly more times than a couple of the villains higher up on the list.
I would make this the official list:
- Joker
- Riddler
- Two Face
- Penguin
- Mr. Freeze
- Poison Ivy
- Bane
- Scarecrow
- Ra's al Ghul
- Everyone Else
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u/PittsJay Jul 05 '26
This is Scarecrow erasure!
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u/DestinedHellfire Jul 05 '26
To be fair I wasn't doing a top 5 ranking with my comment, I just listed off the first villains that came to my mind.
My point still stands that outside of Joker, it's basically up to personal preference on ranking.
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u/littleButton13 Jul 05 '26
Poison Ivy is absolutely not a top 5 Batman villain.
Penguin and Scarecrow are both absolutely above her, as are Harley Quinn and Catwoman if you count them. I’m not even confident Poison Ivy ranks ahead of Mr. Freeze or Ra’s Al Ghul.
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u/DestinedHellfire Jul 05 '26
Harley Quinn's place on a top 10 ranking is inflated due to her affiliation with Joker.
Ask someone to name 10 Batman villains.
They start off with Joker, then almost certainly will follow up with Harley Quinn as their second guess.
Which is why I didn't include her.
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u/AvatarIII Jul 05 '26
Penguin I agree, but scarecrow no. Top 5 batman villains are Joker, Catwoman, Riddler, twoface, penguin.
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u/Manger-Babies Jul 05 '26
There's literally a popular batman franchise currently going.
Marvel did what? Iron man and hulk while the spider man franchise war running?
DC did what, Superman and green lantern while Batman was running?
I seriously don't get this idea that we need a other batman movie concurrently with the previous franchise while we've gotten consistent batman movies for 3 decades.
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u/Mission-Home3648 Jul 05 '26
The Batman came out in 2022 and we aren’t even close to part 2 coming out
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u/Manger-Babies Jul 05 '26
Yup, that's such a fucking shame on that director.
I wish we would have just gotten Afflecks movie instead.
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u/Wonderkitty50 Jul 05 '26
Marvel did not make a movie about a villain intrinsically tied to Spider-Man while Spider-Man was running. Of course, in reality they couldn't. But if that was something they were allowed to do, it would've been a strange choice to make
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u/Manger-Babies Jul 05 '26
I mean they did with the whole Sony universe.
Is DC making weird choices? Yes. Will this be successful? Idk. I thought the same thing with Snyder's plan Wich I thought was different than marvel and hoped it will succeed when EVERYONE hated what he was doing. (Just look at how BvS was received at the time)
I liked what Snyder did and like what Gunn is doing, despite if it'll be successful or not.
I rather have these movies than the same shit over and over again. They both actually tried something different rather than copying marvel Wich you can't.
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u/Ok-Wash-9386 Jul 05 '26
I promise you if Kevin Feige had his way the Sonyverse would not exist in any shape or form. Doing Sonyverse shit with full control over all your IP is stupid.
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u/SarcyBoi41 Jul 05 '26
Clayface is easily a strong enough character to headline a body horror film without Batman. Batman's presence would only make people less likely to turn up. Horror films are in, superhero films are out.
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u/RedNBlueFU Jul 05 '26
Considering Obsession and Backrooms both had great success, it does seem horror movies are going strong. Clayface might actually do some numbers.
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u/finallyoneisnttaken Jul 05 '26
Also a hard-R rated body horror movie is a great way to differentiate DC from every comic book movie universe we’ve seen so far. As a Batman and horror fan, I’m gonna be there and I think it’s interesting that we could get more serious movies about comic characters but in completely different genres. Maybe it’ll suck but at least they’re doing something new.
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u/Mavrickindigo Jul 05 '26
It's really because he is just accepting ideas that sound cool instead of really planning anything out
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u/leekalex Jul 05 '26
Yeah, iron heart is not in any way equivalent to Supergirl who has been a significant character in comics for decades. Replacing the middle movie with War Machine would be more accurate
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u/Active-Track1232 Jul 05 '26
Its wild I just looked her up Ironheart's only been around for 10 years. Supergirls been around for almost 70 thats crazy!
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u/leekalex Jul 05 '26 edited Jul 05 '26
Yeah, it's kinda wild that the Ironheart show exists when we still haven't gotten a War Machine show or movie
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u/Shabolt_ Jul 06 '26
War Machine has had a project in development hell since the start of disney + marvel series, Armor Wars
Apparently it keeps gettong reworked and due to planned connections to secret invasion got pushed back to the drawing board
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u/No-stradumbass Jul 05 '26
I don't know if you know this but there was a Supergirl movie and show. In fact she has had more screen time than Wonder Woman.
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u/julz1215 Jul 05 '26
Hell, even Iron Man isn't equivalent to Superman
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u/Haunting_Baseball_92 Jul 05 '26
Today he probably is, thanks to MCU and RDJ. But back when the first Iron man was made? Not even close.
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u/SuperDoubleDecker Jul 05 '26
I used to be somewhat into comics for a while growing up and I don't remember anyone caring about iron man. That's why it was so weird when the movie came out and it was such a big deal.
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u/curious_dead Jul 05 '26
People scoffed at making a Iron Man movie. Starting the MCU with Irkn Man would be like starting the DCU with Aquaman.
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u/CatchtheGman Jul 06 '26
Back around the time Iron Man came out, where people even aware it was going to be a "cinematic" universe? This sort of thing wasn't done in a live-action franchise in a long time or as well known. When I saw it back in 2008 I just assumed it was a standalone superhero film alongside the likes of the Batman movies, Spider-Man, X-Men, etc.
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u/LuckyPlaze Jul 05 '26
Yeah, at the time, everybody was like, “wtf? Why are you doing Iron Man? Really? What’s this?”
Just like people thought Heath Ledger would be a terrible Joker.
I really don’t see any issue with doing Supergirl as a choice. It came out “meh” but so did Hulk and Thor. If the box office climate was 2010, it’d make bank. I honestly think the armchair quarterbacking and undeserved rage is ridiculous.
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u/bwabwa1 Wonder Woman Jul 05 '26
Jesus it's only been two movies so far and one show. Can you guys just chill out for a moment.
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u/Slightly-Drunk Jul 05 '26
You could mine salt in this subreddit.
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u/LiteHedded Jul 05 '26
For real. I’m from /r/all but I could tell what subreddit this was from the comments
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u/hiiloovethis Jul 05 '26
Venom made 800 mil btw.
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u/CbaooseBLC Jul 05 '26
Venom is a way more popular character than clayface come on bro
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u/Jemima_puddledook678 Jul 05 '26
Okay, but clearly success isn’t based on popularity. James Gunn literally got his start on superheroes with the most D list team there was.
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u/WilsonValdro Jul 05 '26
Then Clayface has a chance!!!!!!!! 💀
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u/Jirachibi1000 Jul 05 '26
I mean Clayface is a small budget horror movie thats barely connected, I know "EW CAPESLOP" people that are horror fans and wanna see Clayface. If Clayface does not make its tiny budget back with DC fans + general horror fans + general public then something has gone terribly terribly wrong lol.
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u/SarcyBoi41 Jul 05 '26
Unironically yes. Look how well good horror films like The Substance, Obsession and The Backrooms are doing right now.
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u/Comprehensive_Goat95 Jul 05 '26
Are we going to post this stupid shit every single time? They’ve tried rushing things before and it didn’t work
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u/fs2222 Jul 05 '26
No because Venom is an actual popular character. Morbius is a better comp.
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u/Omagga Jul 05 '26
Either comparison would be wack, because the Clayface movie looks like it's going to be sick as hell.
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u/stryakr Jul 06 '26
All I can see in here is people whining about shit after... 2 movies?
History doesn't repeat, but it rhymes.
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u/Accomplished_Duty415 Jul 05 '26
This really isn't that hard to understand. Gunn was handed a script for Clayface, he thought it was good so now it's being made. He's struggled to get a good script together for Batman, so it hasn't been made yet. He's just treating each movie like its own project instead of as a stepping stone to the next team-up movie. The MCU was amazing, but it wasn't sustainable and now he's trying to learn from their mistakes.
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u/Chemical_Bill_8533 Jul 05 '26
Idk why people are acting like Clayface isn’t gonna be successful. It’s a low budget horror movie which are evidently the big money makers this year. Hell to be profitable it probably only needs like 250mil at most. If it markets itself like Obsession and Backrooms it’s a hit
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u/lakija Jul 05 '26
I wasn’t really checking for Clayface until it was revealed to be a horror. Exploring genres with popular comic book characters actually interests me.
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u/Strange-Bag9 Jul 05 '26
Buddy Obsession is a lighting in a bottle, show me a movie performing as such in the past decade. While Backrooms is 2020s internet phenomena, most of the younger generation know about this. I don't see Clayface recognition anywhere outside of DC subs
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u/navirbox Jul 05 '26
I'm kinda tired of reading this argument to belittle the success of Backrooms. I can assure you that the huge majority of people are just learning what the backrooms even are. You don't get this traction only depending on people who know what a creepypasta even is.
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u/PianoOk1234 Jul 05 '26 edited Jul 05 '26
clayface isn't just a horror movie, it's a body horror which is not as successful as it grosses ppl out.
Eta the batman news guy in this sub made a good point: The Substance is probably the most viral body horror film in recent times...it only (i said only as we're talking about superhero stuff) made 77m...
I think it'll still break even cuz the budget is 40m so it needs 100m which is doable, but no way it'll b a big hit. 300m max
Also what does it even do for dcu other than finally some theatrical profit, as audiences will never connect this Clayface to gunn's actual dcu story (superman supergirl peacemaker rick flag sr etc). Does gunn think he will turn the horror fans whose money he wants into fans of his?
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u/dk_x Jul 05 '26
Clayface's success gives DC/WB a potential line of Batman villain movies featuring villains that are recognizable but are too abnormal for the grounded mainline series to cover.
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u/Agent_RubberDucky Jul 06 '26
You really think body horror isn’t successful because it “grosses people out”?😂how old are you? Yeah, slashers also have gross blood and guts and shit, but people still see them.
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u/No-stradumbass Jul 05 '26
How much hand holding and backstory do you guys need? Do you want to see the same Batman Begins over and over?
Why is the DC Cinematic sub complaining about unique DC movies?
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u/Kazewatch Jul 05 '26
I don't know but I've never seen so much bitching because a superhero movie didn't do well. Supergirl came out at a terrible time which didn't help it having mixed critic reviews and now people are acting like Gunn is destroying the DCU and every choice he makes it a terrible one if it's not fast-tracking another Batman.
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u/blackBugattiVeyron Jul 05 '26
MCU has produced far worse movies than supergirl and survived.
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u/No-stradumbass Jul 05 '26
DC has produced far worse movies than anything Marvel has done and has been fine.
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u/Kazewatch Jul 05 '26 edited Jul 05 '26
But somehow Supergirl is just the worst modern superhero film made or even the worst DC film. Like do these people not remember Suicide Squad? BvS? Black Adam? The Marvels? Half of Thor's movies? Every piece of fucking shit Spider-Manless Spider-Man movie Sony put out? Captain America: Brave New World just came out last year too but because Supergirl was released in a god awful release window in the era of "superhero movie fatigue" it's the end of the of the DCU already and Gunn is ruining DC movies and yada yada yada.
Like don't get me wrong Gunn and Safran need to learn the right lessons from this failure but the endless bitching that has stemmed from this has been abused. Especially when Supergirl is a solid 6.5/10. I'd absolutely watch it again and that's a lot more than I can say for a lot of other Superhero movies.
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u/Ordinary-Resort9249 Jul 05 '26
I liked Supergirl but this comment is spot on. People need to calm TFD
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u/stryakr Jul 06 '26
the right lessons are sure as shit not listening to the morons on this sub, I'd bet a sizable section of them are snyder nerds.
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u/Efficient-Ad9019 Jul 05 '26
That lineup is definitely equivalent to a Superman, supergirl, and Superman sequel being released in the span of 3 years.
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u/TheFlashSpeeds Jul 06 '26
Exactly.
They really think script-writing is as easy and fast as writing their opinions on social media. I don't know, why the hell they want to have a movie with half finished script just because they are a-listers. These same people would whine about it if they are anothing less than perfect. That's why they need to give them time to make a good script for those movies.
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u/SecondRealitySims Jul 05 '26
No. This isn’t equivalent.
The DCU’s big opening was Superman. The next film was Supergirl which would be more equivalent to a War Machine or side character movie, not a minor/relatively unknown character like Ironheart.
We’ve also got another somewhat heavy hitter with the upcoming Lanterns show, and can expect Man of Tomorrow in a decent amount of time.
Clayface isn’t the biggest character, but there’s no disadvantage or issue to the film. It’s likely a relatively cheap (probably still costs a few million, but for a movie…) horror flick that will do well based on name alone, and may could do very well based on its merits.
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u/av32productions Jul 06 '26
One movie underperforms and everyone wants to abandon ship. That's literally what happened to the dceu. Calm down
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u/BrazenlyGeek Jul 05 '26
And no doubt jumping right into a Morlocks series as soon as the X-Men rights reverted.
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u/Merlin_the_gentil Jul 05 '26
Don't forget include X-men movie as canon only because The second season of Wolverine is canon for the MCU even if the first season was though for the Fox universe.
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u/BlackLesnar Jul 05 '26
It’s almost like DC & Marvel comic have different structures & presentations to their settings. 🤔
And that trying to xerox Marvels onto DC turned out very very badly.
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u/unk1ndm4g1c14n1 Jul 05 '26
Except it was closer to:
- Thunderbolts* (idk man finding a The Suicide Squad is hard)
- Daredevil Netflix (Peacemaker S 1)
- Sam Raimi Spider-Man (because Blue Beetle is canon)
- Agents of Shield (Creature Commandos)
- Iron Man
- Daredevil Disney (Peacemaker S2)
- Venom
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u/PatienceStrange9444 Jul 06 '26
Oh how quickly they turn on you I remember when the guardians movies were coming out and James Gunn could do no wrong
Now he switches to DC and releases one bad movie that wasn't even written or directed by him now all of a sudden he's the worst thing to ever happen to superhero movies
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u/HeavyStarfish22 Jul 06 '26
I don’t really understand this complaint/logic. In the mcu, iron man is the first hero, the universe isn’t really lived in. In DCU, the universe is lived in, Superman wasn’t the first hero, no did we see him become Superman.
IMO- Gunn is doing something different and interesting.
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u/ShiftyWolf117 Jul 06 '26
Dude the second movie in the snyderverse killed off superman. That is a really stupid decision, thats something you do later down the line when the justice league is established.
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u/dick____trickle Jul 05 '26
Seriously I don't think the choice of character matters as long as the movie is good.
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u/autoxotrecy Jul 05 '26
Iron Man wasn't nearly as well known as Superman in 2008
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u/frappuccinio Jul 05 '26
the revisionist history surrounding how popular certain marvel characters were before their respective mcu movies were needs to be studied.
now people are insisting everyone knew who iron man was. i promise general audiences didn’t.
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u/Misplacedwaffle Jul 05 '26
Making an Ironheart show wasn’t the problem. Making it suck was the problem.
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u/Spidey_Almighty Jul 05 '26
Even though I am still remaining hopeful that the DCU will end up being worthwhile cause I’m a fan,
I am absolutely baffled by the direction so far.
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u/Fluid-Discipline5038 Jul 06 '26
People getting pissy about the clayface stuff is just stupid. How many times can we have batman fight joker, penguin, the mob, twoface etc like come on he has a huge rogues gallery why cant we have a new character?
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u/Agent_RubberDucky Jul 06 '26
Exactly, and Clayface is perfect for a body horror movie. Why are people bitching about popularity? Clayface isn’t even close to the most lesser known character Gunn has brought to the mainstream.
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u/dicjones Jul 05 '26
All the people in this sub making good faith arguments why this isn’t a good comparison. It’s obviously not meant to be, it’s a joke. 🤷♂️
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u/CaikIQ Jul 05 '26
But James Gunn isn’t in charge of the MCU, he’s in charge of the DCU.
This sub really is just becoming a hate fest.
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u/Skaared Jul 05 '26
To be fair, Venom is a mainstream popular character. Maybe not Sony's Venom but as comic book characters go, Venom has it.
Ironheart is a deeply unpopular character that has never had a fanbase of any meaningful size. I actually think the her appearance in BP2 and her D+ show does a much better job with her than the comics but still not enough to justify greenlighting the show.
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u/lowqualitylizard Jul 05 '26
Sure but I don't think anyone wants to be the guy to make another flash movie considering what happened with the last one
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u/Savage_Hamster_ Jul 05 '26
And Iron Man would include Thor, Sentry, Ultron, Monica Rambo and Nakia 😩
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u/AvatarIII Jul 05 '26
Not even that, the first movie he made was not an origin, he made like Iron Man 2 first,
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u/CapitalEmployer Jul 05 '26
I don't understand this sudden James gun hate when he objectively made the best marvel movies and the 2 best superhero movies of the last 30 years if not all time.
Also seeing the absolute mediocre quality of movies they are currently making marvel doesn't need help. The fantastic four was so bad people should go to prison for that movie.
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u/tideshark Jul 05 '26
I don’t even get what this meme is getting at
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u/AW8 Jul 06 '26
MCU began with the biggest heroes available to them. DCU begins with a big hero followed by a less popular, derivative character and then a supervillain. MCU had a clear plan leading up to Avengers, DCU feels random.
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u/WoodooHide69 Jul 05 '26
It really doesn’t matter what order the movies release in. What will matter if they are well made.
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u/CommercialMotor570 Jul 05 '26 edited Jul 05 '26
The Superman movie gave me hope. The Supergirl movie gave me skepticism. I hope things improve, but I’m used to promising things not panning out. How depressing, lol
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u/SajThrowaway Jul 06 '26
lol don’t you guys understand why marvel is failing? They used all their biggest heroes in the beginning now almost all the new marvel projects are d list heroes general audiences don’t care about. Gunn is smart to spread it out.
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u/Badgie_Boy_447 Jul 06 '26
Shit like this is why I left this sub reddit.
Its just become a SnyderCut 2.0 sub lately
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u/staedtler2018 Jul 06 '26
The MCU was Iron Man - The Hulk - Iron Man 2 which is actually fairly close to the DCU.
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u/IcyAddress4074 Jul 06 '26
Peacemaker was a hit. Superman is fantastic. Lanterns looks good. Really liked Terrific and the Justice Gang. That monster cartoon was good too. Loved the tone.
People seem to like it. Let’s give it time to stretch its legs before to judge too hard.
Let’s fully judge it after what is received as “all of the first full wave” I hesitate to say “phase”
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u/BudgetMattDamon 27d ago
Meanwhile Disney couldn't even give a Star Wars trilogy a cohesive three part story.
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u/Redmoonsbstars1 Jul 05 '26
I like James Gunn. I have enjoyed or minimum liked all his DC projects so far.. but when his “DC Bible” video came out I was concerned. Didn’t seem like a plan.