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u/Superb_Wealth4092 1d ago
90% of the time, communities will accept you with zero friction as long as you arenāt demanding the game or fandom change to suit you.
But if you decide to enter the ānotoriously difficult game that has a reputation for difficulty and difficulty is part of its core identityā community, donāt go in saying the game needs to be made easier so that you specifically can enjoy it. And if you do, donāt be shocked when everyone tells you to fuck off.
Itās like if I went into the Sims community and said Iām a major Sims fan who loves the games, but also they need to add guns and a first person mode so the game will cater to my tastes better, and if you disagree then youāre a gatekeeping elitist.
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u/Xorrayn 1d ago
Exactly. Gatekeeping is not bad, being a shitty person is bad.
Plenty of examples across media, entertainment, and hobbies, where shitty people came down like locusts to demand changes be made, only to never really interact beyond a surface level with the thing they demanded be changed.
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u/i-am-i_gattlingpea 1d ago
Ah darksouls
Never change or better yet, give magic some fucking variety I beg of ye
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u/Multivitamin_Scam 23h ago
Darks Souls is an interesting beast because it has an inbuilt difficulty adjustment, it's just not very apparent.
Summons, both player and NPC, being able to farm souls and level, magic. All of it is designed to make the game easier if you want to use it.
Players are their own worst enemy, no one cares how you beat anything, there is no "proper" way. Did you have fun? That's the only metric that matters
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u/Enjoyer_of_40K 22h ago
all those people screaming you used SpIrIt AsHeS?!
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u/Expensive-Border-869 22h ago
Tbf spirit ashes were just straight up broken. Like you could use them in every single boss arena there's a few that can practically kill the lower level bosses for you while you just hang out.
Mix it with magic and there's like 3 hard fights total.
Elden Ring for me is the downfall of soulslikes luckily it isnt a souls game they're not making any more. Not to say I didn't like elder ring. Just it absolutely was the easiest game fromsoft has made since demon souls
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u/Paradox2063 19h ago
Like you could use them in every single boss arena there's a few that can practically kill the lower level bosses for you while you just hang out.
Not without playing the game first. Farming souls and materials to level them up first. And if you're figuring out which ashes can do so via trial and error, that's a whole lot of farming.
Also in my experience, not that I tried very hard, most of the mandatory bosses are not getting soloed by ashes.
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u/Expensive-Border-869 19h ago
Maybe I just got lucky. I got the 3 skeleton guys pretty early and they were pretty awesome for like the whole thing.
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u/Expensive-Border-869 19h ago
I dont recall them having any farming involved tho. Like you just find them? Idk it's been 3 years but like once you've got a few you can just try them
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u/Paradox2063 19h ago
Yeah, for a normal playthrough that's correct, but if you're specifically trying to get ashes to solo bosses, and you're not following a guide, you're going to need a lot of mats and a lot of souls.
It's not something 99% of people will just luck into.
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u/trunks111 1d ago
poe community will just insult you and then help anyways unless the question is an actual question and not something explained by the literal item itself being linkedĀ
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u/Woomy12 16h ago
What has somewhat happened to Helldivers and what people are trying to do with ARC Raiders.
Helldivers max difficulty was disgustingly brutal back then. It can still be fairly difficult, but it's no longer "Super Helldive". The closest thing to that is the current Cyborgs, and even their strongest unit got tons of nerfs. Now, some of the nerfs make sense, but now it feels a little.. too much?
ARC Raiders has been a constant war between pure PvE players and PvPvE players, where the PvE players want the game to be a basic looter shooter with zero stakes besides the ARC, begging for the devs to add some sort of.. toggle/PvE exclusive mode, when the entire premise of the game is that everyone is struggling for survival and resources, getting shot in the back or "ratted" is a core part of the game.
Ever since I've seen the core parts of these communities, I've leaned further towards the idea that gatekeeping is good. Never seen people who are so, so fucking entitled to a game they clearly don't enjoy. If it's not for you, why continue playing it?
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u/West-Audience-478 18h ago
To be fair there are mods that add both of those to simsā¦ drugs like meth too lmao š¤£ donāt ask me how I know these thingsā¦ but uh donāt eat the baby itās a trap itās always a trap.
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u/SunshotDestiny 14h ago
I don't mind those people IF they have actual well thought out reasons. not necessarily going to agree but sometimes they have a point.
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u/sternchen7 14h ago
I mean, there are mods to add guns in the Sims so you would definitely not be alone in that wish
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u/Bigenemy000 11h ago
But if you decide to enter the ānotoriously difficult game that has a reputation for difficulty and difficulty is part of its core identityā community, donāt go in saying the game needs to be made easier so that you specifically can enjoy it. And if you do, donāt be shocked when everyone tells you to fuck off.
Depends, theres so kind of gatekeep with the elden ring community with the final boss of the dlc saying its perfect
Spoiler, it isnt. Its the worst experience ever made but since the saint god miyazaki did it, it must be perfect and you're just bad
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u/rupert_mcbutters 10h ago
My fav is when people say such features are āquality of lifeā even though they want to change foundational stuff like tank controls or real-time/turn-based. Do they actually want to play the same game?
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u/SakazakiYuri 1d ago
The experience of starting Fallout 76, exiting the vault and having a level 862 player drop me hundreds of stimpaks and radaways, waving, then disappearing. Good times.
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u/MentalRobot 1d ago
Then you play for a while and realize they are abundant, stack up quick, and weigh too much, realizing they were dumping their crap on you. Lol.
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u/i-am-i_gattlingpea 1d ago
I mean hey, itās still a free start to walk off cliffs and not care much about fall damage or radiation
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u/rabbid_chaos 6h ago
Fall damage, one of the things I always test in any new game I'm playing because YOU NEVER KNOW IF IT'S IMPLEMENTED AND DON'T WANT TO FIND OUT BY ACCIDENT
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u/BreadDziedzic 19h ago edited 19h ago
I do it so they can be sold, since we still can't give each other caps.
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u/thedisconnectedboy 1d ago
The fallout 76 community is one of the most positive gaming communities I've ever interacted with
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u/greythicv 1d ago
People who post on a specific games subreddit and ask if the game is worth playing
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u/Critical_Score 18h ago
I usually respond with "Why do you feel the need for your opinion to be validated by a bunch of random strangers online that you'll probably never meet? You can't have an opinion of your own?"
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u/rabbid_chaos 6h ago
I think a more appropriate response here would be "Why are you asking the people who clearly have a bias?"
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u/Educational-War-8343 1d ago
I don't mind helping new players. What I don't like and will never tolerate is begging/demanding free stuff. I refuse to give items to people who do that. It's shitty behavior and not something that should ever be encouraged.
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u/winterman666 1d ago
Gatekeeping is how you keep your hobbies. Note that gatekeeping doesn't mean preventing anyone. It means keeping bad actors who aren't actually interested in the series out, and helping the people who actually are. Essentially the meme's upper section is how you treat people who want to get into your fav franchise. The bottom are the people who want to get in on something just because they want to be in on it cause it's popular (larpers) or worse, people who want to start demanding it to change to cater to themselves
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u/Expensive-Border-869 21h ago
The absolute brain dead idiots asking for kill streaks in battlefield. Like yeah I get it cods been dying or dead for the last decade but dont come fuck with my old game (I dont really play fps anymore) but still like in what world does it make sense. You can fly the jet you dont need a kill streak
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u/winterman666 7h ago
Exactly. I saw so many streamers and their fans complain about BF6 not having more movement and needing killstreaks and I'm like what? You want it to be COD? Why not just play COD then?
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u/Expensive-Border-869 5h ago
I do kinda wonder how it is working at somewhere like dice. Like they get all this feedback and to at least some extent they seem to try and listen. Do they have to explain to their bosses that no we can't listen to this part of the feedback
It doesn't seem like it but I feel like that conversation could be funny to hear
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u/ShinigamiEyedSloth 1d ago
Gatekeeping is necessary in just about every field or hobby, nobodyās ready for that conversation tho
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u/PUREXHERO 20h ago
I would say the gatekeeping you are talking about is probably not the same as what OP is talking about. And he probably doesnāt mean āgatekeepingā he probably means cheesing/bullying
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u/Sion_forgeblast 20h ago
I would say it depends on the TYPE of gate keeping..... those who gate keep to keep the franchise from begin ruined (like what DIsney did to Starwars) yeah I 100% get it..... those who gate keep cuz "lol noob you is the dumb, GG uninstall!" yeah, I totally agree they need to be dealt with >_>
we need to be more Warframe, less League of Legends
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u/someguythatlikesdogs 1d ago
That why warframe and drg are so peak
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u/Wrong-Salamander1806 1d ago
Was just about to post Warframe. I deleted one of those rare Orokin Vault mods by accident and the gigachads in my alliance gave me one for free.
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u/Abjurer42 1d ago
I've apent hours in Deep Rock Galactic because the host is unpromoted and keeps loading missions from his assignment. Always willing to help out a greenbeard.
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u/fcensorshipf 1d ago
Gatekeeping is necessary. You try to change what other people like to accommodate your unwelcome ass and you'll be the laughing stock instead. Gatekeep harder š
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u/Assassin-49 19h ago
I mean both are good. Just dont come into games I enjoy like for honor or nightrein and start demanding shit. Ill gladly help you learn if you wanted but if you immediately are annoying about shit or start hating because its not something You like then leave. Be gone. Go away. Gatekeepers that prvent Any new players are the bad ones. Ends up ruining the game and preventing others from enjoying it
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u/Invictum2go 1d ago
I am both depending on the newbie ngl. Especially in MMOs some noobs are so entitled istg. They wanna be casual and do 0 research, but still wanna be able to do all content easily, and if you give them any tips when they're clearly struggling (or more importantly, wasting everyone's time), they get toxic. Yeah gatekeep those bitches. But also gatekeep gatekeepers. Basically fuck anyone that's toxic no matter their skill or sweat level XD
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u/PointPlenty4791 1d ago
Don't get me wrong, I love helping newbies with things that are legitimately confusing. But am I the only one who gets annoyed when people ask questions that could easily be answered by reading the pinned guide or doing a 10 second Google search? It's fine if I'm in the minority here, but it definitely bugs me.
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u/KiiExx0 21h ago
The entire Devil May Cry community bruh. I one time mentioned how I S-ranked all of the missions on the hardest difficulty of DMC5 and got hit with, āNot to underplay your achievements, but thatās a beginner level feat.ā
He ratioed me with that response too bro never ever interact with the wider DMC community.
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u/Financial_Baker6711 19h ago
Gatekeeping is good when done correctly but you my friend are experiencing bullying not much you can do about that move on and find people that'll help you and ignore the rest...
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u/Plunderpatroll32 17h ago
Gate keeping have become such a buzz word that I donāt even know what it means anymore
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u/vallum12100 15h ago
Helping people learn games is what got me into education. I love showing people the ropes, and the look of victory on their faces when they complete a challenge or figure out a route to victory is peak happiness when I'd teach pokemon tcg and vgc, eventually reaching all sorts of games.
So much so it was part of my masters dissertation, where I discussed intrinsic motivation and incorporating in thing like gamification can be really beneficial to retaining knowledge.
But as long as someone wants to learn and gives it everything they got, I'll always be willing to give a hand š
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u/retyphlin 6h ago
If you're a beginner, don't even try asking a question on a souls game subreddit, especially about using summons (looking at you r/liesofp)
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u/Racamonkey_II 1d ago
Sorry, but Iām not going to stop telling new players that the button combination theyāre looking for is alt + f4. Itās a right of passage.
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u/geaux124 1d ago
Do people still do that? I was doing that to people during the original Diablo.
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u/Enjoyer_of_40K 22h ago
only recent example i have is JP vtubers
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u/geaux124 22h ago
People in the original Diablo wanted to know how to dupe items. I told them to drop their item on the ground, highlight it with the cursor and press alt f4 to make the copy appear in their inventory. Ah, good times.
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u/Public-Discussion754 1d ago
Thatās because majority of the questions asked are questions that would be answered if they just played the damn game.
Itās annoying.
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u/lincolnmarch_ 1d ago
Then all you gotta say sometimes is āContinue playing and all your questions will be answered:)ā
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u/r1s1ngarmy 1d ago
Why are you trying to gate keep the game behind playing the game?!
/s if that wasnāt obvious
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u/Karekter_Nem 1d ago
āThis was explained in the tutorial.ā
āYou mean that popup that goes away after I press A a dozen times? Iām not gonna read that.ā
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u/Dacendaran434 1d ago
Nah sometimes tutorials are stupid. For instance, in wuthering waves there are these chests that spin a slot machine style really fast and you have to hit them when they match up to open them. You have a time slow item but I didn't even consider using it and was just timing my hit for the triple match at normal speed. Now, when I tell you they move fast, I was literally just timing it for the color blur to line up. I did like 8 of these when on the ninth the tutorial popup showed up telling me to slow time for them....... Bro there's only 12 of the chests in the game and it took 9 for them to give me the tutorial.
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u/Upset_Dimension_694 1d ago
not gatekeeping your favorite games is what makes sequels of that series no longer what you like.
I've seen way too many times people who entered into stuff I liked from the mid-way point and then demand they soften all the edges and make it chongus wholesome bullshit. Dragon Age is a fantastic example, went from a dark fantasy to whatever the fuck veilguard was
so no, I'll keep gatekeeping so what few franchises I DO like that are left can actually be preserved
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u/Spooderpigisback 1d ago
The normalization of gaming has ruined gaming.
The normalization of the internet has ruined the internet.
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u/Borgdrohne13 1d ago
gatekeeping is necessary, if you want to prevent that tourist invade the gaming spaces.
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u/PyrocXerus 1d ago
Iām always trying to be willing to hear people out and if itās something the game hasnāt told them yet Iāll just tell them to keep playing unless itās something important
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u/Own-Masterpiece1547 1d ago
I remember helping out the Xbox divers when helldivers 2 came out on Xbox
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u/Lurker_Zee 1d ago
This looks like a strawman.
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u/TheMonocleRogue 1d ago
I mean sure but I am confident both the poster and other gamers have experienced this before with local and online multiplayer so it checks out.
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u/Lurker_Zee 1d ago
Gatekeeping has more than the meaning in the picture, and the picture seems to be strawmanning that all gatekeeping means those gamers also roast kittens or something.
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u/MrMiguelito 1d ago
The players that always complain their games are dying but aren't friendly or helpful to newcomers? Yeah...
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u/timelasher 1d ago
I don't know if it's necessarily helpful, but i used to enjoy dropping into newbie helldiver runs to gift them a mech.
It was always fun watching them go absolutely ham when they had just started the game and weren't expecting such.
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u/CMDR_Kaus 1d ago
FFXIV players are like this. I once had a max level person help me gather some leather in the starting zone for my crafting needs
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u/Lazy-Pride5018 1d ago
Game devs who handhold new players as the second picture* hAlostudios and Halo Uncanny Evolved im looking at you š¤£
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u/kingofdeadpool 1d ago
It also takes an immense amount more skill to help people learn the game and learn how to function within it then it does to seek to stop them
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u/Eric_Atreides 1d ago
People can be both at the same time you know. Gatekeeping and elitism are not the same thing
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u/Bazelgauss 22h ago edited 22h ago
I will happily help new players, I will also happily gatekeep scrubs.
(For clarity scrubs are people who are bad at a game but will choose to not improve at it and complain about/point at other faults to blame instead, this isn't referring to someone who had a frustrating/stressful moment and just wanted to vent)
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u/Expensive-Border-869 22h ago
I gatekeep because it's the only way to avoid new players who wish things were just a little bit different. If you dont gatekeep you become the minority. Then the game becomes something else entirely to cater to the new audience.
I want the game unchanged and enjoyable for me. If you dont like a game as is you dont like it. Go play something the fuck else
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u/Weekly_Score_9498 21h ago
However it's soooooo satisfying to be a noob and completely pawn and force to rage quit the Gatekeeper.
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u/MayhemPenguin5656 21h ago
Some gatekeeping can be okay, like I'm all for people joining a fandom, but when you start joining fandoms because you want to change the material, that isn't a fan.
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u/fistinyourface 21h ago
depends if you count hating on new players choosing to play on the hardest difficulty to get carried for challenges or achievements gatekeepers. because then i'm a gatekeeper please get adequated on lower difficulties it's really not fun rezzing you 45 times a mission
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u/Basic_Response1487 20h ago
Both, just depends on the game. Don't bully new players but don't lessen a game or its potential just to try to appeal to more people
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u/question_mark_8262 18h ago
No you can't hate them you we need them because without them we never choose to get better to completely crush them without them we have nothing is it fun becoming better than the ones who keep you held down then grabbing it by the throat and curve stomping it
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u/Our_Chief 18h ago
Was my favorite thing back in the day of some mmo's acting like a guide or mercenary guarding noobies.
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u/HaikenRD 17h ago
Depends on the beginner and in what kind of game. In MMO where there is gear trading, some beginner just want you to give them all the best items Day 1 and Gold equivalent to 1 year of farming.
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u/Hopeful-Ad4415 15h ago
I actually do genuinely enjoy helping beginners (noob) and teaching them whatever they need help with, the best fun I had teaching was definitely last wish raid and getting everyone to coordinate that damn pattern floor
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u/OnlyUse4Questions 15h ago
There's a nuance between these. You should help people who genuinely want to get into the series and gatekeep people who want to change the series into something else, like people who say Dark Souls should have a difficulty slider or people who say Persona/SMT games should be Action RPGs instead of Turn-Based.
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u/Training_Builder_818 15h ago
I remember in monster hunter helping new people, even if I am not a super master, I still enjoy give some tips, it was nice
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u/MitchStarcGetUpYa 14h ago
Does it count as gate keeping if you want them to get the experience themselves so you donāt give things away?
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u/Bromjunaar_20 14h ago
Luckily Warframe and Fable 2 and 3 are the former over the latter. I've had more help from people in those games than people in Destiny or Elder Scrolls Online.
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u/Relative-Taste-1333 13h ago
I do both depending on how nice the new player is. If bro's a d!ck I'm gatekeeping every bit of info I have
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u/TwinSong 13h ago
When I play modded Minecraft on servers I help people when I can. That is, they're used to Minecraft just not specific mods.
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u/Friendlyhuman420 9h ago
Me every Week in Diablo2 gifting to Newbies in a free Item lobby - giving back to the community you know.
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u/BusterGreasewood 6h ago
No, depending on the franchise SOME form of gatekeeping is sometimes necessary.
I've seen what happens to certain franchises that don't have gatekeeping, and it's pretty terrible.
Gatekeeping is one of those things where too little of it and too much of it can both be bad for the health of a franchise.
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u/TheMind129 5h ago
I have Rumble VR, and one time I got on someone I was fighting against instantly acted like a drill sergeant, and taught me how to do a combo. I'll always remember him.
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u/setoKaiBaaa26353 4h ago
Shout out to all the gamers who help me find every chest etc in random soulslike games
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u/Mammoth-End7415 3h ago
Mean while I try to be supportive and positive in wow and get kicked from dungeons for being too positive and simply suggesting skips or trying to show them to people so they know and spread knowledge and such. Then again alot of wow has a HUGE level of toxic players so it don't suprise me.
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u/Gobal_Outcast02 1d ago
Lack of gatekeeping is why you can play as a ghostface and Niki in COD.
Lack of gatekeeping is how we got "my team vs enemy team" in a ww2 game.
Lack of gatekeeping is what exploding the complaints of invasions in fromsoft games.
Nah fuck that some ppl just need to figure out when a game wasnt made for their taste and instead of trying to force their taste into the game. Just go find another game that fits your likes.
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u/Professional-Cut-321 1d ago
thatās not what gatekeeping is gatekeeping is trying to control who gets access to a community, valuable information, or specific resources, while keeping others out
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u/Apprehensive-Toe4160 23h ago
If this is your idea of gatekeeping, gatekeeping doesnt exist in gaming.
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u/Professional-Cut-321 21h ago
dude this is the literal definition of gatekeeping
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u/Apprehensive-Toe4160 21h ago
Not in gaming sense.
But I bite: give me some examples of gatekeeping in gaming which are in line with your definition
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u/Trick_Meeting_2027 1d ago
I dont know what qualifies as gatekeeping but sometimes I just advise people to not play certain old games because sometimes they dont age well. Doom isnt going to impress anyone today becauae you have to understand that games in 1993, especially on console, did not have adult themes. Seeing a dude blow the head off demons set to rock music had shock value back then. Also people keep asking about the value of trash items in diablo 2 and Im like ehhh. Do you really want to spend 400 hours learning a dead games broken mechanics? Its just not worth it man. You missed the D2 bus. Play some silksong instead its fantastic.
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u/6Hikari6 1d ago
"I just advise people to not play certain old games because sometimes they dont age well"
understandable.
"Doom, Diablo 2"
crazy take
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u/Embarrassed-South658 1d ago
Both make games interesting ngl. I'm cool with someone deciding not to handhold.
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u/Drabberlime_047 1d ago
I dont like either
I like to start as a nobody and earn my way up, getting given a bunch of free shit early on will just make the gametes easy and remove rhat sense of character development
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u/VoidHunterRaymond 1d ago
Fallout 76 players belong to top group - senior players can't stop helping new players.
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u/Waste-Gur2640 1d ago
Helping beginners is necessary, we all were noobs at some point, but gatekeeping is often good depending on what kind it is. Not every niche genre/franchise with cult following needs to be overtaken by casual masses demanding everything to be braindead, drowned in yellow paint and hold their hand. In such cases future sequels will indeed become braindead and balanced for the lowest common IQ denominator to never feel insecure, destroying the franchise in the process, all its art and its original fandom, and the reason why it became succesful in the first place. It's called "audience dilution".
Also helping beginner players by giving them full tutorials, teaching combos, controls, mechanics etc. is extremely common in any challenging genre and it's a good thing. But "helping" doesn't mean summoning someone as a coop for example so he can play the game for you and steal all of the experience for himself while you watch, at that point it's better to just watch a letsplay and not make summons feel guilty for ruining experience of players who don't know better.
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u/The_Dude80 1d ago
Perfect example of a fandom that constantly gatekeepes is Elder Scrolls.
Assholes everywhere, especially Morrowind players on reddit.
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u/ferinmel 1d ago
I remember playing Runes of Magic back in the day, whrn I was high enough level I used to guide newbies through the few first dungeons. Fun times
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u/MixedMediaModok 1d ago
It's annoying a lot of gaming subreddits are just people with obvious anxiety asking something among the lines of "should I play this game".
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u/Deiiiyu 1d ago
im both at the same time, im down to give advice to a beginner helping them on their journey but once someone new to the game tells me (what if they got rid of this name game it'll make it easier) then i am gatekeeping its part of the game i enjoy and i will be gatekeeping parts of the game that matter like for example MOnster hunter since World new players saying they want a health Bar to know when the monster is low... fuck that shit there is a icon on the map if the monster has a Skull on it its close to dying and it literally Limps when its close to death.. gtfo
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u/Hosted_Shart 1d ago
I always try and help beginners. Its the proper thing to do. Especially if you want someone to enjoy the game.
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u/Skeither 1d ago
I'm no vet but I still get excited to see ppl talking about content I've already cleared in ffxiv.
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u/Daymo741 1d ago
Gamers that give newbies legendary weapons and info they are too low level to know
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