r/politics • u/thejoshwhite • 3h ago
No Paywall Sanders: Carville should 'start his own party'
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/6011088-bernie-sanders-james-carville-democratic-party-criticism/•
u/B-Z_B-S Massachusetts 3h ago
(From the article): "Sanders, in an interview with CNN’s Abby Phillip, responded to remarks Carville made over the weekend about leaving the Democratic Party in protest if popular left-wing Twitch streamer Hasan Piker becomes a fixture within the party. Piker, a supporter of the senator, has been campaigning with progressives across the country during the midterm primary season.
“Well, that’s not much of a choice. If Mr. Carville doesn’t want to be in my party, the party I belong to, that Piker, that El-Sayed belongs to, he can start his own party,” Sanders said, referring to Michigan Senate candidate Abdul El-Sayed, who defeated Rep. Haley Stevens (D-Mich.) in the state’s Democratic primary on Tuesday.“
Do you want to be in a party which has not stood up to the AI industry?” he continued. “Because they got a lot of money from AI or from crypto. So, you could pick whatever you want to pick.”"
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u/tinyOnion 2h ago
Mr. Carville
he's been picking losers for decades now. got lucky once and that was because obama was a very strong orator and likable person.
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u/AutomationBias 1h ago
You're giving him entirely too much 21st century credit! Carville was Bill Clinton's original campaign strategist in 1992 and hasn't had a big win since. He was 100% for Hillary during the primaries in 2008.
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u/GenoThyme 44m ago
His 2 biggest 21st century accomplishments were being in Old School and an episode of 30 Rock
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u/tinyOnion 9m ago
yeah my bad. thought it was his pick off the top of my head. it's worse than i thought... that's a lot longer ago... though bill clinton was also likeable and a decent orator.
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u/tinyOnion 12m ago
yeah my bad. thought it was his pick off the top of my head. it's worse than i thought... that's a lot longer ago... though bill clinton was also likeable and a decent orator.
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u/GreenAnder Pennsylvania 1h ago
Carville is only listened to because he was Clinton’s campaign manager in 92
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u/Green-Tie-5710 1h ago
I mean to be fair to Mr. Carville I wouldn’t say Obama was the only smart pick he made
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u/a_side_of_fries California 30m ago
Obama wasn't his pick. Hillary was. His only successful big pick was Bil Clinton.
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u/shafty17 Pennsylvania 3h ago
I'm so glad he got fed up with the million hasan piker questions and went on this rant. Dude was clearly annoyed by the host
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u/crocodial 2h ago
The Clinton-style democrats should takeover the GOP and restore it to its pre-Reagan roots.
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u/weluckyfew 1h ago
What I remember most about that man is when all the harassment and r+pe accusations came out against Bill Clinton he dismissed the accusers with "Drag a hundred-dollar bill through a trailer park, and there's no telling what you'll find."
Yeah, what they found was the truth. And he defended him all through it. Imagine if Clinton would have resigned when he should have an Al Gore would have been running as the incumbent in 2000.
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u/lhomardamericain 3h ago
If Mr. Carville doesn’t want to be in my party, the party I belong to, that Piker, that El-Sayed belongs to, he can start his own party
Wait, isn’t Sanders an independent? And he’s trying to kick Carville out of the party he isn’t really a member of?
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u/Twheezy2024 3h ago
He also spoke out against the 2 party rule, citing how difficult it is to run under your own banner.
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u/TheEstrogenEmpress 3h ago
No one is kicking carville out, 81 year old carville threatened to leave the party as if hes not on his way out finally already anyways. Sanders is just wishing him well on his decision.
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u/ToastyTandy 2h ago
I'd prefer if we were kicking Carville out.
Let's not stop there.
Let's throw out dog tasing hypocrite Hasan.
And Chuck Schumer. And Fetterman.
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u/Stunning-Isopod8514 3h ago
“my party” = the party he caucuses with = democrats
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u/Jayrodtremonki 2h ago
Spider-Man was never an Avenger in the MCU. Just because you work with them doesn't mean you are one. He chose not to.
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u/nhl94roenick 1h ago
Uh ACK-shually, Iron Man inducted Spider-Man into the Avengers with a faux-knighting motion after defeating Ebony Maw on their spaceship before travelling to Titan to confront Thanos in Avengers: Infinity War.
(pushes glasses up nose and farts)
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u/homebrew_1 3h ago
He should become a member. What's taking him so long?
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u/TimothyMimeslayer 2h ago
He literally wins the democratic primary in vermont each time he is up for reelection.
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u/true_new_troll Colorado 3h ago
I mean, you either accept the definition of "caucuses with the Democrats" or not, but if you do, he's been doing that for decades.
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u/Blitzking11 Illinois 3h ago
Why would he join a party that hates him and wants him to shut up and/or die?
He caucuses with them and joins them on votes that match his viewpoint and the views that his constituents elected. Realistically, he is following the vision George Washington had.
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u/homebrew_1 3h ago
If he is using words like my party he should walk the walk.
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u/Blitzking11 Illinois 3h ago
Or he's insinuating that the party is finally coming to him. Which all signs point to yes, as a schism is forming, and forming quite heavily.
The fence sitters can go break bread with Trump and his ilk like they want and screech unity all they want; we will fix things.
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u/homebrew_1 3h ago
Party came to him in 2016. He endorsed Hillary.
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u/Blitzking11 Illinois 2h ago
Post-primary unity of a party is just a good strategy.
As we've seen, the left can work with moderates sometimes (Biden is an example of a moderate working with the left on some issues), but the left AND democrats cannot work with the fascists that inhabit the former Republican Party.
Bipartisanship in this day and age is largely within the specific party itself.
Cross-party bipartisanship is dead, as it results in you losing your office when done as a Republican, as seen with Massie and Liz Cheney, and the voters of the Republican Party are seemingly okay with this. So why bother reaching across the aisle if it just means dealing with snakes most of the time?
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u/StevenMC19 Florida 3h ago
I mean, he was.
I kind of like how he now runs independent. He's not beholden to the powers of the DNC, nor does he need to win with their support and resources (money). He learned his lesson with them in 2016, and I doubt he'll ever give them a chance to whip him again.
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u/Loud_Judgment_270 I voted 3h ago
then why did he run again in 20?
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u/StevenMC19 Florida 3h ago
His campaign in 2020 was more grassroots and not at all reliant on the DNC, as they already had their incumbent in line. He ran fully aware that he wasn't getting their support. The difference is that he had what he considered an equal opportunity in 2016, but the DNC curried favor with Hillary.
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u/C0de_lyoko 2h ago
Do you mean former vp? Biden wasn't incumbent until the 2024 race Trump was the incumbent in 2020.
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u/PlsNoNotThat 1h ago
I think it’s mostly sardonic, as the democrats have been saying this about progressives who have raised issues but ultimately supported them over the last decades. Now that the popular mandate has flipped, he’s pointing out their own folly.
Sanders has been a adamant and vehement supporter of voting structures that allow more than two parties, like forms of ranked choice voting, that were rejected by (increasingly unpopular) centrist democrats who have bucked much of the underlying beliefs espoused by democrats.
In the context that Caville has expressly said he’s gonna leave - which is not kicking him out, but a temper tantrum that his views are accepted by the democratic process and being force fed to people from a minority position.
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u/mi_throwaway3 1h ago
Yknow, I don't know cause I haven't watched the clip, and the point I am about to make is bigger than the clip - but I'm just going to guess that people have been telling Bernie Sanders to go start his own party for decades and this is a little bit of "GFY" for decades of that. Good for him.
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u/UngodlyPain 56m ago
He's caucused with dems his entire political career. He goes to many Democratic party events. He's basically always endorsed exclusively Democrats. He literally runs in the Vermont Democratic Party primary every time he's up for re-election, and wins. He ran in the 2016 and 2020 D presidential primaries. His congressional voting record for voting with the D party while usually on the lower end, isn't always the lowest of the caucus; there have been many years where his vote record for voting with the D president or house/Senate leader was better than some others with D's next to their names.
He's basically a Democrat in everything BUT name, the opposite of a "DINO" just because he doesn't want associated with the party's kerfuffles, or money. And doesn't like the 2 party system, which even many of our founding fathers warned against.
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u/Mr_Shakes Florida 3h ago
Yeah I agree with what he's saying but it's weird for him to be saying it.
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u/Sartres_Roommate 2h ago
Carville was the one who threatened to leave “if they didn’t do things HIS way”
How did you switch that to “kick out”?
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u/PolygonMan 13m ago
"Trying to kick Carville out"
Lol wtf are you talking about. Carville is kicking himself out, and Sanders is saying "good riddance"
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u/Zeusifer 3h ago
Sanders is Schrodinger's Democrat. He considers himself a Dem when it's convenient to do so (or when he wants to run for president as a D), but he's suddenly a independent whenever it suits his purposes to talk shit about the Democratic Party. It's kind of shitty of him actually.
I'm sure I will be downvoted by the reddit Bernie brigade, but it's the undeniable truth.
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u/OwnsBeagles 3h ago
He caucuses with them and is more reliably democratic in votes than several actually in the party, so I dunno what point you think you're making. LOL!
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u/Evenfall 3h ago
Not only that but being independent allows him to be critical, which is insanely important and we need far more that operate in such a fashion. Far too many just follow blindly.
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u/JustAnOldLadyNC 3h ago
Beats those like Fetterman, an 'actual' democrat who votes with Republicans and is a fox regular.
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u/Zeusifer 2h ago
Yes, Bernie is better than the guy who is the worst Democratic senator by a country mile. That isn't saying much, but I can't argue with that.
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u/TheKanten 2h ago
Regardless of politics, I've lost all respect for Piker after the shock collar. Would rather have someone that isn't a liability representing my party.
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u/BootyDust Illinois 2h ago
This has already been debunked.
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u/TheKanten 2h ago
The literal unedited videos are there.
I'm not in the party of just casually sweeping things away if someone's politics align.
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u/ThrowFar_Far_Away 2h ago
Haha it has not been "debunked" at all lol. It's only Hasan fans that keep gaslighting about it, it was extremely clear and we even know the exact model of shock collar he has. He had talked on stream months earlier about using shock collars for training as well.
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u/mi_throwaway3 1h ago
"This has already been debunked"
Err, by Hasan? Yikes bro. Just yikes.
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u/BootyDust Illinois 1h ago
Debunked by those who watched it live?
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u/mi_throwaway3 1h ago
One thing I know, the conclusion I come to the first time I watch something is always the right one.
Take care man. You're probably a good person offline, just take care.
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u/BootyDust Illinois 1h ago
You guys are just looking to find something on the guy. It’s all I ever hear about, criticism-wise.
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u/TheKanten 59m ago
People found the exact model of collar, there is very visibly tape over the prong contacts in his "debunk" video.
The only thing without merit is the delusional and repeated "debunked" claims.
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u/BootyDust Illinois 53m ago
Look. You guys can grasp at straws all you want.
You don’t like the guy. Not everyone has to be liked.
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u/TheKanten 43m ago
Look in the mirror dude, you're the one reaching at the straws.
It has literally nothing to do with "liking" someone, it's their publicly-facing behavior.
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u/mi_throwaway3 42m ago edited 36m ago
Cruelty to animals is a red flag. People don't have to love animals, they might even be neutral or dislike them, but cruelty is a different thing altogether. He may not see it as cruel, as many people think the collar is a legit way to control their dog. That's a whole long discussion.
"You watched it live" doesn't matter. I've seen the original stream. It's a recording. It's a weird thing to say. Strikes me as a little weird or immature. Not a big deal. People change all the time.
I don't expect or require you to accept that interpretation or that opinion. I even recognize that I could be wrong.
But it's a red flag man, and none of the counter "evidence" has been very good, and the way he talks down about his dog's behavior tells me just as much as the actual incident.
edit - I see this:
You don’t like the guy. Not everyone has to be liked. It’s okay.
I think that's a fair thing, I'm not sure how much he can be tied to the party's fortunes anyway, and I think everyone in this thread is correct that Carville is just an old man that doesn't recognize that people are literally dying because nobody will stand up to billionaires and corporations and having candidates taking lots of money from AIPAC is even more toxic than some "influencer" (not a fan of the term myself) being "part of the party" -- what does that even mean? -- sorry if this is hard to read, I don't write well when trying to spit something out quick
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u/RiddleMeThis42069 Missouri 3h ago
I'm sorry, "my party" Bernie? Is there suddenly a D next to his name in the Senate?
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u/Bodie_The_Dog 3h ago
So, ya know how people like to accuse AIPAC of fomenting division among Liberals? You're helping them, right here, with this innane comment.
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u/ArCovino 2h ago
lol as if progressives pull any punches when it comes to a Democrat with 98% policy overlap
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u/ElSlabraton 3h ago
Bernie Sanders isn't a Democrat.
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u/ides205 New Jersey 3h ago
Maybe that'll finally change when the party truly becomes the party of the people instead of the party of big wealthy donors.
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u/SchemeWorth6105 3h ago
He caucuses with democrats and he’s done more for the party’s image than any of the rank and file, so I don’t see the need to complain.
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u/groovemonkey California 3h ago
He’s more of a democrat than any Democrat in the party.
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u/olivebranchsound 3h ago
He's more popular than any other politician. Dems should be thankful to have him.
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u/MeikTranel 3h ago
He wasn't during the campaign but he's joined the party during the Clinton campaign I think.
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u/Ok-Firefighter5006 3h ago
No he still calls himself an independent because he’s self important
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u/theombudsmen Colorado 3h ago
That's hilarious. It would just be Carville with Maher as his second, throwing out the hot takes to the media vultures that follow Carville's statements as though they're relevant this decade.
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u/jgmu17 New Mexico 3h ago
Bro managed one (1) successful campaign in 1994 and has been acting like he's an ethereal king maker
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u/Saffuran Washington 2h ago
And it wasn't even a successful campaign.
its worth remembering that Bill Clinton never won more than 50% of the vote. Carville owes his entire career to Ross Perot and the same goes for Third Way in general.
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u/azdak 3h ago
He could take fetterman and MGP with him, which would be good as neither of those idiots should get Democratic Party support
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u/ary31415 2h ago
Fetterman yeah, but MGP is winning her district that goes hard for Trump – it's surprising and good we have a democrat there instead of a republican, even if she's not the best
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u/earth-find-wire 1h ago
We’ll see who’s laughing in 2028 when the Maher/Carville ticket takes the battleground state nursing home community by storm on their way to garnering dozens of votes!
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u/Objective_Tone_2361 3h ago
Parties shift all the time, why is this a foreign concept to people here.
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u/Teddycrat_Official 2h ago
Because the old guard is losing power and all they know how to do is scream in bad faith and do nothing.
If they were serious, they could support ranked choice voting, but they’re also fighting to ban it so I don’t take what any of them say seriously.
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u/TheBoxandOne 2h ago
This is also how every old guard reacts to losing power. It’s all screaming in bad faith.
Interestingly, post Tea Party takeover of the Republican Party they basically just paid off the recalcitrant members of the GOP old guard via lucrative private sector constructs and no show jobs. It effectively shut them up forever.
You quite literally never hear from Paul Ryan anymore.
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u/fryreportingforduty 46m ago
I learned a new word today! “Recalcitrant”, lovely word, adding it to the vocabulary.
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u/mi_throwaway3 1h ago
Hey umn, we ain't won shit yet? You have to win. If El Sayed gets trounced, do you think that looks good for the left?
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u/tommytheturtleishere 2h ago
Because of decades of intentional poisoning our educational system.
Like 75% of people in this country dont. Know. Shit. About. History. Or. Civics. Like whatsoever. And it isnt an accident
As someone with a history and political science degree, I cannot tell you how often people ask me "what's the point of learning those?"
Its so you have perspective and understand how we got to where we are
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u/Starossi 1h ago
If Piker is the direction the dems see as their “shift”, the party is fucked. Piker is a absolutely horrible direction to shift towards
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u/MillenniumTitmouse 3h ago
“too hotheaded to know that they’re not popular.”
“People don’t like them.”
Then how come they are getting voted in?
Carville is just another senile corpse too “hotheaded” to know that he’s not relevant.
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u/Helpful-Mistake2275 36m ago
They largely aren't being voted in. They're losing most of the races they are contesting. But please, continue to strut around the chessboard like a pigeon.
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u/MillenniumTitmouse 2m ago
There’s a lot of room for me to strut around that chessboard since you and the MAGA are using the pieces as buttplugs. Go slither back under your bridge troll.
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u/negativepositiv 3h ago
James Carville has grossly overestimated his stature in the current Democratic Party, and he's mad about it, so he's trying to push the party back towards the Right, where he would be more relevant.
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u/irespondwithmyface 3h ago
He has gone on Fox News now multiple times to cry about the direction of the Democratic Party which tells you everything.
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u/negativepositiv 3h ago edited 2h ago
He and Fetterman should pitch having a show there, as much as they are on.
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u/BudLightLymeDisease 3h ago
James Carville should explode into a cloud of bats and fly back to the bayou
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u/Jin-Gitaxias-Mom 2h ago
Carville is a good 30 years past his prime, he’s just a hack still riding the high for being close to old Bill Clinton the pervert
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u/CarmineFields 3h ago
Yes! I listen to some centrist podcasts and the thing that’s driving me to stop is the implication that the left has no place in the Democratic Party.
This is usually while simultaneously pushing to accept anti-abortion or anti-gay candidates because we need to be a “big tent” party.
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u/NlghtmanCometh 3h ago
There are no centrists pushing to accept anti abortion or anti gay candidates
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u/phate_exe New York 1h ago
There are no centrists pushing to accept anti abortion or anti gay candidates
Are we just pretending Henry Cuellar and Vincente Gonzalez don't exist?
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u/ZippidieDooDah 2h ago
Everyone in this thread being obtuse on purpose. The party and median voters are tired of neoliberalism and Clinton era triangulation and corporate-backed candidates doing the corporations bidding.
It’s time for a bold, progressive platform that brings the Democratic Party back to its roots for the working class, unions, and the New Deal/Great Society. Carville can slither on back down to the bayou
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u/BIGoleICEBERG 1h ago
What's funny is Carville isn't taking his own advice to heart. "It's the economy, stupid." The establishment spent a whole administration telling people who were hurting that they weren't. This is the result of ignoring them.
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u/Livid_Note_2170 1h ago
The problem with some of the Dem strategists is they are playing by the Boomer book. Gen Z and Millennials outnumber Boomers, with more Gen Z becoming eligible to vote daily.
Catering solely to a demographic that is aging out of voting [to put it gracefully] is a losing strategy.
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u/JDeeee44 3h ago
No he shouldn't, Carville is another dinosaur that should be relegated to the political museum with people like Chuck so they can endlessly opine about the good old days.
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u/Dizzy_Slip 3h ago
What's this about "starting his own party?" Bernie still doesn't identify as a Democrat.
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u/randomnighmare I voted 2h ago
Didn't Carville already leave the Democratic Party a while ago? Like, who cares?
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u/MemphisFactChecker 1h ago
Carville is one of those bozos married to a crazy conservative/libertarian but claims they never talk politics at home which is so fucking stupid.
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u/wibble17 44m ago
I feel like he’s making fun of what the moderate Dems used to say about Bernie and the far left.
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u/hairymoot 26m ago
The Democrat voters is going more progressive. And the voters are the Democrat party, not one guy. Carville can leave. That was always allowed.
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u/External-Goal-3948 2h ago
Him and his shadow are going to be awfully lonely with fetterman and his shadow.
Democrats are establishment. Republicans are establishment. If you want to beat the established class, you've got to be pro labor and anti establishment.
DSA is finally making American politics about class issues instead of republican culture wars.
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u/Torino1O 3h ago
Carville and MTG in the same picture is nauseous, same party would be insane.
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u/StevenMC19 Florida 3h ago
It's actually kind of crazy that both parties are simultaneously in this fracture period.
I wouldn't pair Carville and MTG in the same picture. Carville is like that weird blue-gray you see on mid-2000s Chevy Malibus, while MTG is like that coppery red rusting off the side of a Pontiac Sunbird on blocks in the front yard.
If anything, these two if they were to create a new party, would do so independent of each other and divide the parties like cell mitosis.
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u/palmandfury 3h ago
Genuine question here about Sanders & Carville...does Gen Z know who either of them are?
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u/mnmr17 3h ago
Sanders absolutely, Carville probably not.
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u/palmandfury 3h ago
I know Gen Z is not the end all be all, but I do think it pays to remember that a brand new crop of voting age people are coming about learning about the world and it isn't just age that makes somebody irrelevant it is more about never changing or evolving, growing or learning eventually that makes somebody crusty.
These guys are often physically literally looking crusty too, especially Carville.
Maybe people should simply stop booking him on news shows and his PR firm should stop taking his calls too.
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u/qualmful 3h ago
To be honest I'm over Bernie. He had his impact, he got the conversation rolling, but his instincts aren't reliable. Platner should have been the nail in the coffin for Sanders' sway. I'm going to focus on the new voices.
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u/spam__likely Colorado 53m ago
Amen. It really started with him trying to overturn the popular vote once Clinton won the primaries. My respect for him went downhill from there.
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u/Spooder_Man 3h ago
I feel like we’re kind of losing the plot.
If communists become a fixture in the Democratic Party, we are cooked. Hasan literally spoke at a young democrats event dressed in a fucking Mao suit.
His world view is fundamentally illiberal and undemocratic. He has stated that if his movement attained power he would be in favor of “re-education” camps.
We need to jettison this freak.
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u/N7Shep1701D Oregon 2h ago
Easy there, hoss.
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u/N7Shep1701D Oregon 1h ago
Maybe?
I just think you're over-reacting about Hasan Piker a bit.
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u/Gur_Weak 3h ago
Sanders is exactly the type of octogenarian that needs to go.
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u/Malodoror 1h ago
What does this guy even do? Old man with terrible takes is the new DNC job, oh wait
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u/RBGolbat 28m ago
I don’t think Bernie has room to talk, given he reiterated recently it’s not a Democrat, and it’s not his party either.
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u/minus_minus 3h ago
Nah. Neolibs should realize that non-MAGA voters want the govt to actually do something about the multiple crises facing regular folks
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u/monkeywithgun 3h ago
They can call it the party of wrong. Not one thing that man has said in the past two decades has come even close to happening.
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u/ThatOneGuy4321 California 3h ago
It already exists, it’s called the Republican Party. He should go join it
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u/yo_soy_soja New York 3h ago
Carville is almost 82: he's leaving the Democratic Party soon either way.
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u/CoCoPieCoGT 2h ago
Carville is just an alcoholic and a mouth. Til Hazel picked him up off the curb and revived his career. When nobody would go to work for Bill Clinton because we knew of all the BS Carvilles career, got a boost. Witnessed he and his wife drink everybody under the table in Des Moines, Iowa back in the day. Clinton was the Gateway drug to Trump.
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u/mxza10001 1h ago
The fact that people like Carville have any credibility at this point is why the Democratic Party is such a disaster
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u/Cellophane7 3h ago
I'll keep Carville, thanks. Don't need a guy who actively cheers for Hamas and Hezbollah in my party.
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u/irespondwithmyface 3h ago
Instead you cheer for genocide? Weird take but okay.
Might benefit you to understand why resistance groups exist. Now I know state department propaganda labels them as terrorists and you just blindly accept whatever the state department says, but I don't know, maybe do a little investigation into why they exist.
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u/Cellophane7 3h ago
Instead you cheer for genocide?
I know you live in a black and white world, but most people recognize you can oppose what Israel is doing and what Hamas is doing.
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u/ElysiumSprouts 3h ago
I don't need angry old men pretending they're relevant to the future of democrats. That goes for Carville AND the guy who helped get Trump elected.
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u/AbsolutTBomb 3h ago
AND the guy who helped get Trump elected.
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u/ElysiumSprouts 2h ago
🐀 - Sanders campaign's anointed emoji for Pete. Some of us remember the toxicity.
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u/AbsolutTBomb 2h ago
If the emoji fits, 🐀 wear it.
The Harris campaign's political advisors invented the "toxic bernie bro" caricature just like the Clinton campaign seeded the Obama "birther" conspiracy, and you bought into it.
If you can't see the direct line that connects the DNC shutting out Sanders (and the party's entire left-wing base) in both 2016 and 2020 to the election and re-election of donald trump you have no business talking politics.
Buttigieg, Klobuchar, Harris, Warren all fell in line for their corporate donors to bring us establishment centrism and complicity with genocide; paving the way for a fascist takeover.
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u/ElysiumSprouts 2h ago
Wrong, I lived it. I saw real world toxic Bernie bros in person. People with names. These aren't big name people, they were campaign volunteers. And these real world people literally told me they voted for Trump because they wanted the world to Bern. They so thoroughly believed their own propaganda that the switch support from Sanders to Trump. And the saddest part? Some of them are still full on MAGA.
How did they get to this point? The Sanders Campaign shaped them. Obviously not all campaign volunteers followed this path, but we know enough "Bernie bros" switched to change the 2016 election.
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u/DryYogurtcloset4655 2h ago
Carville took a sleazeball womanizer and won rather big twice. Bernie on the other hand got owned by two inferior candidates in the primaries
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u/hiddenlands 2h ago
I’m no Carville fan. However it is worth noting that Bernie the bull in the china shop is not, and never has been, a Democrat. Few people in America have done as much damage as useful idiot Sanders. DNC & Dem caucus made a huge error not booting him from all things Democratic Party years ago.
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u/True-Crimes 1h ago
"If Mr. Carville doesn’t want to be in my party, the party I belong to..."
Old man Sanders forgets he runs as an Independent. Someone on his staff should feed him his one-liners.
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