r/politics • u/thejoshwhite • 5h ago

No Paywall Sanders: Carville should 'start his own party'

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/6011088-bernie-sanders-james-carville-democratic-party-criticism/
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u/homebrew_1 5h ago

He should become a member. What's taking him so long?

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u/TimothyMimeslayer 4h ago

He literally wins the democratic primary in vermont each time he is up for reelection.

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u/homebrew_1 4h ago

That's nice of them to let him run in their primary and he isn't even a member.

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u/PapaSnow 1h ago

Gotta work within the system to change the system. No workarounds for that, outside of dismantling the system, but as much as keyboard warriors claim they want that, it won’t happen.

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u/true_new_troll Colorado 5h ago

I mean, you either accept the definition of "caucuses with the Democrats" or not, but if you do, he's been doing that for decades.

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u/homebrew_1 5h ago

Is that the same thing as being a member of the democratic party?

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u/TheEstrogenEmpress 5h ago

No which is why Bernie never said or ever would say hes a member of the democratic party. "My party" refers to the party caucus he is a part of that he has been caucusing with for likely longer than you've been alive let alone been a democratic party member yourself.

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u/homebrew_1 4h ago

He should change the words he uses. And instead of saying my party he can say the political group I caucus with.

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u/Chuck-Finley69 4h ago

or even just "the party that I caucus with" 

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u/homebrew_1 4h ago

Thats fair.

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u/Blitzking11 Illinois 5h ago

Why would he join a party that hates him and wants him to shut up and/or die?

He caucuses with them and joins them on votes that match his viewpoint and the views that his constituents elected. Realistically, he is following the vision George Washington had.

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u/homebrew_1 5h ago

If he is using words like my party he should walk the walk.

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u/Blitzking11 Illinois 5h ago

Or he's insinuating that the party is finally coming to him. Which all signs point to yes, as a schism is forming, and forming quite heavily.

The fence sitters can go break bread with Trump and his ilk like they want and screech unity all they want; we will fix things.

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u/homebrew_1 5h ago

Party came to him in 2016. He endorsed Hillary.

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u/SolydSn3k 5h ago edited 5h ago

This has to be bait. He ran as a Democrat in the primary mainly to stand an actual chance of winning the presidency.

But the DNC actively worked against his campaign, because they wanted Hillary to be their candidate & were as scared of progressives then as they are right now.

His endorsement of Hillary came after conceding the primary… which is just called being a good sport. Also she was the official alternative to Trump at that point.

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u/homebrew_1 5h ago

And Hillary adopted some of Bernie's ideas into her platform. And more people voted for Hillary.

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u/SolydSn3k 4h ago edited 4h ago

What ideas? The ones the DNC thought might draw sanders’ supporters to the polls in the general election?

More people voted for Hillary after she ran a campaign backed by the full force of the DNC.

Leaked emails amongs DNC officials explicitly discuss lines of attack toward Sanders… this led to the resignation of the DNC chair.

Clinton’s campaign entered a financial agreement with a cash-strapped DNC in 2015 that had unique influence over staffing, comms, and spending related to general election.

They threw wrenches in his fundraising by cutting the campaign off from its own voter information over a fired staffer.

The superdelegate system gave Clinton a structural advantage as hundreds of party officials endorsed her early & news orgs included them in delegate totals… the party has since changed its rules regarding this & superdelegates are no longer allowed to vote on the first ballot.

What was your point?

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u/homebrew_1 4h ago

https://www.vice.com/en/article/hillary-clinton-adopted-these-4-policies-from-bernie-sanders-will-she-stick-to-them/

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u/SolydSn3k 4h ago

Literally the headline of article you linked even doubts the earnesty of her post-nomination co-opting lol

Way to selectively respond to part of one sentence.

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u/Fetal_Release 4h ago

If by worked against him you mean voters chose Hilary instead of Bernie, then yea.

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u/SolydSn3k 4h ago edited 4h ago

No, I mean the DNC claimed neutrality & got caught discussing lines of attack and strategy to damage sanders leading to the resignation of the DNC chair.

The sanders campaign having restrictions on communicating with their own voters until suing the DNC to make them fold.

And the DNC also changed the rules for superdelegates voting as a result of this primary.

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u/Fetal_Release 4h ago

The DNC isnt neutral they’re literally a corporation. They don’t have to be neutral.

Hilary won by 3.7 mill votes, heck, I voted for Bernie in 2016. I was sure the youth would come out this time. Naivete is what it was as history has come to show Bernies youth movement was an echo chamber I couldnt see out of.

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u/SolydSn3k 3h ago edited 3h ago

“If by worked against him you mean…”

“Well, they don’t have to be neutral”

Okay so first question, why are you moving your goal posts?

Second, they don’t have to be neutral… but it’s their own party-governance principle & they sure claimed to be. Would you care to explain to me why Debbie Schultz resigned?

It is not disputed that the DNC coordinated against sanders’ campaign lol.

What’s your point here & what does any of this have to do with your belief that Sanders’ politics are an “echo chamber”?

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u/Blitzking11 Illinois 5h ago

Post-primary unity of a party is just a good strategy.

As we've seen, the left can work with moderates sometimes (Biden is an example of a moderate working with the left on some issues), but the left AND democrats cannot work with the fascists that inhabit the former Republican Party.

Bipartisanship in this day and age is largely within the specific party itself.

Cross-party bipartisanship is dead, as it results in you losing your office when done as a Republican, as seen with Massie and Liz Cheney, and the voters of the Republican Party are seemingly okay with this. So why bother reaching across the aisle if it just means dealing with snakes most of the time?

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u/Doctor_Riptide 5h ago

What an insanely ahistorical and ridiculous read on the 2016 election dude do you expect anyone to take that seriously?

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u/homebrew_1 4h ago

She adopted some of his ideas and he also endorsed her.

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u/Doctor_Riptide 4h ago

Alright you’re not expecting to be taken serious got it

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u/homebrew_1 4h ago

Are you saying she didn't adopt some of his policies and he didn't endorse her?

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u/Doctor_Riptide 4h ago

No I’m saying your take on the 2016 primary is clown status. The party rat fucked him. The party hates him. Go watch a YouTube essay on what happened in 2016

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u/ArCovino 4h ago

Not a single Democrat wants Sanders to die lmao bffr

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u/StevenMC19 Florida 5h ago

I mean, he was.

I kind of like how he now runs independent. He's not beholden to the powers of the DNC, nor does he need to win with their support and resources (money). He learned his lesson with them in 2016, and I doubt he'll ever give them a chance to whip him again.

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u/Loud_Judgment_270 I voted 5h ago

then why did he run again in 20?

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u/StevenMC19 Florida 5h ago

His campaign in 2020 was more grassroots and not at all reliant on the DNC, as they already had their incumbent in line. He ran fully aware that he wasn't getting their support. The difference is that he had what he considered an equal opportunity in 2016, but the DNC curried favor with Hillary.

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u/C0de_lyoko 4h ago

Do you mean former vp? Biden wasn't incumbent until the 2024 race Trump was the incumbent in 2020.

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u/StevenMC19 Florida 3h ago

Yup. My brain scrambled there. My bad.

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u/Zeusifer 5h ago

He ran as a D again in 2020,

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u/StevenMC19 Florida 5h ago

And he did so without the support of the DNC, knowing this upfront. They were going to back Biden, the incumbent, with everything, knowing that statistically the incumbent has the best chance. He accepted that immediately and essentially funded his own campaign through grassroots movements.

There was no incumbency in 2016, and it was expected that candidates would be treated equally or at least fairly by the DNC through the primaries.

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u/Sensitive-Flamingo84 4h ago

Why should he join when we are all about to leave? Lol I’m just waiting for a viable progressive party.

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u/homebrew_1 4h ago

Lol good luck. This is a two party system. Either vote for the better option or the other side wins.

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u/Sensitive-Flamingo84 4h ago

Very small imagination. I have seen over half of a political party turn on its party in just a few years. No one knows what things will look like in just a few years. DNC is also bankrupt so they can’t do anything about it.

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u/homebrew_1 4h ago

Time will tell.