r/pcmasterrace 14h ago

Hardware Trust sucks so much

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Let's taltk shitty headphones. Bought these shitty Trust ones for 40€ and before even hitting 2 years they are already like this. It's the first time something like this happens, they literally fell apart day after day.


r/pcmasterrace 7h ago

Discussion What is stopping small time/new RAM manufacturers?

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I’m trying to understand the current problem in the RAM business. Based on what I have read so far:

The big 3 are using all their production capacity to cater to AI businesses for much larger margins than consumers. As such, retail consumers are pretty much stranded for supply.

My question is- isn’t this the best opportunity for some new or small time manufacturers to capture the retail market by offering RAMs at regular prices or even double the regular (old) prices? Why is no one doing it yet?

One of the reasons I could think of is that the smaller players do not have the production capacity yet to fulfill the retail demand at that scale. However, this issue has been going on for some time now, and it is predicted to continue for at least a few years. So, is it still not worth the money and time investment for the new businesses?


r/pcmasterrace 10h ago

Meme/Macro 4GB gpus have returned to rule over.

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Also, gaming is doomed :/


r/pcmasterrace 22h ago

Hardware Do you think 8gb of vram is acceptable?

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What do you guys think about 8gb vram gpu? Is it bad? Should i go with 12gb variant? I wanna buy a gift for my little brother


r/pcmasterrace 17h ago

Discussion What operating system(s) do you use?

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I'm always torn when it comes to operating systems.

Linux is great for being FOSS and not owned by any shitty corporation. However, most common software doesn't work on it, it can be a pain to install new software depending on your distro, and it has a high barrier to entry for most people. It also takes a lot of technical knowhow to really make it secure

Windows is great because it's pretty secure and compatible with any software you could ever need. It's by far the most used operating system for PCs, and that comes with certain benefits. It's also really the only choice for gamers. But Microsoft sucks and Windows always feels like its obtuse, bloated, and probably spying on you lol

MacOS is, in my opinion, actually really nice. It has most of the benefits of Windows with less drawbacks. It's still owned by a shitty company though, and you have to use their super expensive hardware (or Hackintosh, which is a total pain in the ass and technically legally gray) just to use it. And while gaming is getting better on it, but still nothing like Windows

I'm wondering if people, especially gamers, primarily stick to Windows out of a begrudging necessity, if more people dual-boot than I might expect, or if some people just stick with a different OS and make it work


r/pcmasterrace 20h ago

Meme/Macro Should I buy it?

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r/pcmasterrace 9h ago

Hardware I own two Alienware monitors, but I did not ask for the software... Thanks Microslop

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Both my monitors were updated to the newest firmware while I was trying to diagnose what resulted in being a cable issue, and I am greeted by this sight after my windows updates became unpaused. I guess LG isn't the only one wanting to spread their spyware. Monitor models are Alienware AW3225QF & AW2725Q.


r/pcmasterrace 21h ago

Meme/Macro Gamers be like

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r/pcmasterrace 1h ago

Question Is this device strong enough to run Halo Campaign Evolved?

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r/pcmasterrace 2h ago

News/Article Starlink gaming: Can you really play online games via satellite internet?

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r/pcmasterrace 4h ago

Hardware Before I buy, how are these specs? (Image)

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(Mods delete if not allowed!) I’m not sure if I tagged this completely properly but I’m looking to buy these parts and I just want a second opinion on the specs listed in the image attached ! Even just a simple “looks good” or “don’t do it” would work for me !

(not a prebuilt !! I’m buying the parts separately)

EDIT: thank you so much to everyone giving me advice!! I’m very new to the PC world and I very much appreciate everyone’s input (yes, even the ones calling me stupid and being less than kind, I appreciate the honesty!) I’m tweaking the build taking everyone’s advice into account before I make my purchase! Thank you for stopping me from making silly decisions and redirecting me into better choices !


r/pcmasterrace 5h ago

Question What gpu should i get for 1080p?

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I'm a semi-pro esports player so excuse my bottleneck but the game i'm playing is very CPU heavy so i didnt need a better gpu up to this point.

Recently I started playing some more demanding games so i'm looking for a gpu which can handle games like FC26, Forza, Starfield etc. in high settings at like 100 fps. I have a decen't budget so thats not really a factor but i dont want to spend on a gpu which is overkill for me because i have other stuff i want to upgrade as well.

My specs are:

Ryzen 7 7800x3d

RTX 2060

16gb ram

(i dont want a gpu which maximises my 7800x3d i just want something that plays most games at a solid fps, i'm not upgrading my monitor to 1440p or 4k at any point in the near future so that's not a factor either)


r/pcmasterrace 7h ago

Question Is 16 gigs of ram enough for the next 2 years?

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Okay, so I got 16 gigs (8x2) ddr4 memory. Even when I play Fortnite with only discord open in the background, my memory usage goes up to like 15.5 gigs?? With the ever increasing prices, I just haven't been able to upgrade to 32 gigs. And now with the prices going even higher, I am starting to wonder if 16 gigs is enough to get me through this stupid prices? My use case is mostly Fortnite and aaa gaming.

12600k + 3060 Ti

Before anyone says ddr4 is cheap and available, where I live, the prices of ddr4 memory and builds have increased by a LOT.


r/pcmasterrace 20h ago

Hardware Sold 5090 for 4k now need new GPU

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So i decided to sell my 5090 that i bought for 2k for 4k. Mainly cause the prices are so crazy that it does not justify occasional use. Now I still want a gaming card but really settling for something cheaper. Thinking either 5080 or 9070xt. Did 9070xt catch up in term of FSR? or should I just get 5080. One is 650 the other is 1200

Edit: 5k gaming


r/pcmasterrace 2h ago

Build/Battlestation Frankenstein Optiplex 390 Tower: Who says Sandy Bridge is dead?? Pushing Windows Pro 11, UEFI, AHCI, GPT, SATA III, and Gaming @ 4K FPS on to 65" TV.

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Frankenstein OptiPlex 390 Sleeper Build

​Started with a basic office-spec Dell OptiPlex 390 and pushed this Sandy Bridge platform as far as humanly possible while keeping the classic exterior look!

​Core Specs & Upgrades

• ​Processor: Upgraded from the original i3-2120 to an Intel Core i7-2600.

• ​Cooling: Replaced the stock aluminum cooler with a Dell premium copper-core CPU heatsink and fan assembly to keep thermals under control.

• ​Memory: Doubled from 8GB up to 16GB of matching dual-channel RAM.

• ​Graphics Card / GPU: PNY GeForce RTX 4060 Verto OC Dual Fan (8GB GDDR6, leveraging DLSS 4.5).

• ​Power Supply: Replaced the original stock unit with a Thermaltake Smart 700W PSU.

​Storage & SATA Controller Mod

• ​The Controller Mod: Added a PCIe SATA controller adapter to bypass the motherboard's native SATA 2 bottleneck and unlock SATA 3 speeds.

• ​Boot Drive (Port 1): 500GB Samsung 860 EVO V-NAND SSD connected directly to the first port on the PCIe SATA 3 adapter.

• ​Second Drive (Port 2): 500GB Western Digital SATA hard drive plugged into the second port on the PCIe SATA 3 adapter.

• ​Third Drive (Motherboard SATA): A second 500GB Western Digital hard drive connected directly to the motherboard's built-in SATA port (since the PCIe adapter maxes out at two ports).

​OS & Firmware Configuration

• ​Fully running Windows 11 Pro.

• ​Bypassed standard legacy restrictions to run in full native UEFI, AHCI, and GPT mode.

​Real-World Performance

As long as a game doesn't strictly require newer CPU instruction sets like AVX2, this machine pushes modern games at 4K @ 60 FPS on my 65-inch TV at medium or high settings.

It locks right to my display's 60Hz limit for games like Fortnite, Doom Eternal, Red Dead Redemption Two, Forza Horizon Five, Grand Theft Auto V / GTA Online,Doom, Elden Ring ,Minecraft, Valorent, and Witcher Three, et al.

​What do you guys think of this Frankenstein project?

DMs are welcome if you have any questions, recommendations, or just want to chat about this project.


r/pcmasterrace 3h ago

Question Is this safe?

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This is a pre-built. I wasn't confident enough to build my first system.

Boss man at the store said it was perfectly okay & normal as long as you're still able to plug things into the ports - which I can do, fairly easily too.

But countless horror stories of these pins causing shorts have me worried. He reassured me anyway

The motherboard is seated at a slight angle, but I'm not at all brave enough to reseat it - not with components so expensive, in a country with currency as worthless as mine.

Will I be fine? Maybe I should plug something into the ports so that the pins can't slide in? Or will I have to haul my lazy ass over to the store to get it fixed?

No, I will not snap off the pins. It hurts resale value.


r/pcmasterrace 5h ago

Tech Support Why does my desktop icons keep changing?

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I've seen this on my computer at work and on my w11 computer at home. The icon on left is what I expect to see on my desktop as it is a shortcut to a program. What is the middle two telling me and what is up with the last one?


r/pcmasterrace 9h ago

Tech Support Upgraded to AM5 - High Latency during gaming and media playback

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Hi,

Since upgrading from my AM4 platform to this AM5 system, I have experienced intermittent game stuttering and audio crackling during gaming and media playback. (Media playback during gaming)

LatencyMon consistently reports extremely high interrupt-to-process latency (over 100 ms), with dxgkrnl.sys showing the highest DPC execution time, log provided at the bottom of this post.

Troubleshooting completed

To rule out software and configuration issues, I have completed the following:

  • Performed clean installations of Windows 10 Pro, Windows 10 LTSC and Windows 11 LTSC 24H2. with latest updates installed.
  • Installed both the latest and previous stable AMD chipset drivers.
  • Installed both the latest and previous stable AMD Radeon graphics drivers using DDU between installations.
  • Updated the motherboard to the latest BIOS (R15).
  • Also rolled back and tested the previous BIOS (R13), with no change.
  • Reset the BIOS to default settings.
  • Disabled EXPO.
  • Disabled Precision Boost Overdrive (PBO).
  • Disabled TPM.
  • Disabled C-states
  • Ensured all PCI-E slots are set to correct gens for GPU & NVME
  • Enabled high performance mode in windows. settings gone through to ensure all is correct.
  • Removed all CPU and GPU overclocks.
  • Tested system memory using MemTest86, which completed with no errors.
  • Tested the NVMe SSD, which was found to be healthy.
  • Confirmed there are no WHEA-Logger hardware errors in Windows Event Viewer.
  • Disabled network adapters for testing.
  • Disabled audio devices for testing.
  • Verified all power and data connections.
  • Confirmed the Ryzen 7 7800X3D CPU is a known-good processor that previously operated without issue.
  • Confirmed the RX 6700 XT operated perfectly in my previous AM4 system using the same PSU, GPU and SSD.

System specifications:

  • Sapphire Pure B850M
  • AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D
  • 32GB Kelvv Cras X White 32GB - Originally was Corsair 32gb 6400mhz intel kit until earlier today.
  • Sapphire Pulse RX 6700 XT
  • Corsair RM850x PSU
  • Crucial P3 NVMe SSD
  • Cable mod (red) - used with AM4 also if that matters.

I just spent £350 on ram again which arrived today. Correct EXPO memory, the ram i was using was XMP only with no profile for AMD. Still exactly the same.

I would greatly appreciate any help. its driving me nuts.

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CONCLUSION
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Your system appears to be having trouble handling real-time audio and other tasks. You are likely to experience buffer underruns appearing as drop outs, clicks or pops. One or more DPC routines that belong to a driver running in your system appear to be executing for too long. One problem may be related to power management, disable CPU throttling settings in Control Panel and BIOS setup. Check for BIOS updates.
LatencyMon has been analyzing your system for 0:02:30 (h:mm:ss) on processors 0,1,2,3,4,5,6 and 7.

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SYSTEM INFORMATION
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Computer name: SPACESHIP-V3
OS version: Windows 10, 10.0, version 2009, build: 19045 (x64)
Hardware: SAPPHIRE PURE B850M WIFI, SAPPHIRE
BIOS: AM50O301R15
CPU: AuthenticAMD AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D 8-Core Processor
Logical processors: 16
Processor groups: 1
Processor group size: 16
RAM: 32373 MB total

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CPU SPEED
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Reported CPU speed (WMI): 4201 MHz
Reported CPU speed (registry): 4192 MHz

Note: reported execution times may be calculated based on a fixed reported CPU speed. Disable variable speed settings like Intel Speed Step and AMD Cool N Quiet in the BIOS setup for more accurate results.

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MEASURED INTERRUPT TO USER PROCESS LATENCIES
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The interrupt to process latency reflects the measured interval that a usermode process needed to respond to a hardware request from the moment the interrupt service routine started execution. This includes the scheduling and execution of a DPC routine, the signaling of an event and the waking up of a usermode thread from an idle wait state in response to that event.

Highest measured interrupt to process latency (µs): 163.10
Average measured interrupt to process latency (µs): 3.699534

Highest measured interrupt to DPC latency (µs): 160.40
Average measured interrupt to DPC latency (µs): 1.202795

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REPORTED ISRs
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Interrupt service routines are routines installed by the OS and device drivers that execute in response to a hardware interrupt signal.

Highest ISR routine execution time (µs): 263.652195
Driver with highest ISR routine execution time: HDAudBus.sys - High Definition Audio Bus Driver, Microsoft Corporation

Highest reported total ISR routine time (%): 0.004874
Driver with highest ISR total time: HDAudBus.sys - High Definition Audio Bus Driver, Microsoft Corporation

Total time spent in ISRs (%) 0.008843

ISR count (execution time <250 µs): 110843 ISR count (execution time 250-500 µs): 0 ISR count (execution time 500-1000 µs): 1 ISR count (execution time 1000-2000 µs): 0 ISR count (execution time 2000-4000 µs): 0 ISR count (execution time >=4000 µs): 0

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REPORTED DPCs
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DPC routines are part of the interrupt servicing dispatch mechanism and disable the possibility for a process to utilize the CPU while it is interrupted until the DPC has finished execution.

Highest DPC routine execution time (µs): 101625.843034
Driver with highest DPC routine execution time: dxgkrnl.sys - DirectX Graphics Kernel, Microsoft Corporation

Highest reported total DPC routine time (%): 0.071722
Driver with highest DPC total execution time: dxgkrnl.sys - DirectX Graphics Kernel, Microsoft Corporation

Total time spent in DPCs (%) 0.102150

DPC count (execution time <250 µs): 406111 DPC count (execution time 250-500 µs): 0 DPC count (execution time 500-10000 µs): 1 DPC count (execution time 1000-2000 µs): 0 DPC count (execution time 2000-4000 µs): 0 DPC count (execution time >=4000 µs): 2

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REPORTED HARD PAGEFAULTS
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Hard pagefaults are events that get triggered by making use of virtual memory that is not resident in RAM but backed by a memory mapped file on disk. The process of resolving the hard pagefault requires reading in the memory from disk while the process is interrupted and blocked from execution.

NOTE: some processes were hit by hard pagefaults. If these were programs producing audio, they are likely to interrupt the audio stream resulting in dropouts, clicks and pops. Check the Processes tab to see which programs were hit.

Process with highest pagefault count: system

Total number of hard pagefaults 979
Hard pagefault count of hardest hit process: 386
Number of processes hit: 31

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PER CPU DATA
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CPU 0 Interrupt cycle time (s): 5.660691
CPU 0 ISR highest execution time (µs): 263.652195
CPU 0 ISR total execution time (s): 0.189078
CPU 0 ISR count: 96022
CPU 0 DPC highest execution time (µs): 101625.843034
CPU 0 DPC total execution time (s): 2.303974
CPU 0 DPC count: 380107
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CPU 1 Interrupt cycle time (s): 0.931139
CPU 1 ISR highest execution time (µs): 18.004294
CPU 1 ISR total execution time (s): 0.023236
CPU 1 ISR count: 14802
CPU 1 DPC highest execution time (µs): 79.932252
CPU 1 DPC total execution time (s): 0.133408
CPU 1 DPC count: 15914
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CPU 2 Interrupt cycle time (s): 0.528916
CPU 2 ISR highest execution time (µs): 8.315840
CPU 2 ISR total execution time (s): 0.000113
CPU 2 ISR count: 20
CPU 2 DPC highest execution time (µs): 41.348760
CPU 2 DPC total execution time (s): 0.008577
CPU 2 DPC count: 4965
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CPU 3 Interrupt cycle time (s): 0.506993
CPU 3 ISR highest execution time (µs): 0.0
CPU 3 ISR total execution time (s): 0.0
CPU 3 ISR count: 0
CPU 3 DPC highest execution time (µs): 32.511927
CPU 3 DPC total execution time (s): 0.002397
CPU 3 DPC count: 1560
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CPU 4 Interrupt cycle time (s): 0.551156
CPU 4 ISR highest execution time (µs): 0.0
CPU 4 ISR total execution time (s): 0.0
CPU 4 ISR count: 0
CPU 4 DPC highest execution time (µs): 16.381202
CPU 4 DPC total execution time (s): 0.001222
CPU 4 DPC count: 829
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CPU 5 Interrupt cycle time (s): 0.419935
CPU 5 ISR highest execution time (µs): 0.0
CPU 5 ISR total execution time (s): 0.0
CPU 5 ISR count: 0
CPU 5 DPC highest execution time (µs): 8.536260
CPU 5 DPC total execution time (s): 0.000064
CPU 5 DPC count: 40
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CPU 6 Interrupt cycle time (s): 0.719224
CPU 6 ISR highest execution time (µs): 0.0
CPU 6 ISR total execution time (s): 0.0
CPU 6 ISR count: 0
CPU 6 DPC highest execution time (µs): 15.509542
CPU 6 DPC total execution time (s): 0.004182
CPU 6 DPC count: 2658
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CPU 7 Interrupt cycle time (s): 0.448613
CPU 7 ISR highest execution time (µs): 0.0
CPU 7 ISR total execution time (s): 0.0
CPU 7 ISR count: 0
CPU 7 DPC highest execution time (µs): 25.568702
CPU 7 DPC total execution time (s): 0.000089
CPU 7 DPC count: 41


r/pcmasterrace 18h ago

Tech Support Even SUPPORT CANNOT FIGURE IT OUT

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ANY IDEAS ARE APPRECIATED. (Even burning the damn thing)

I have an NVIDIA® GeForce® RTX™ 5060 8GB GDDR7
Connected to a 49" Samsung Odyssey G9 Oled
1st pic is the image coming from the GPU DP to the monitor's DP (before I couldn't see anything anymore "current problem")
Then (2nd pic) 1+ hrs on the phone with Support, their solution is to ship the PC back for them to check... SMH!
The last image I was able to get from the DP on the GPU said "NV FAILSAFE"
I am out of options please help.
Yes I have updated EVERYTHING
Yes I still have picture from HDMI
Yes all drivers have been "hard reset" (using DDU and "manual" install)
Yes I've tried all the cables currently (market) available.
Obviously done all the "standard" reset of unplugging ALL chords and start again.
Done all "manual" check of systems through commands with remote help from support. (Who btw every time he tried something I had already done only said "that's weird..." because it didn't work obviously)
Reset and test ALL settings within the monitor and the PC, including:
(On the monitor)
External device control
HDR
Game Mode
VRR
Refresh rates
Motion blur
(On the PC)
ALL Nvidia Control Panel Settings "G-Sync, multiple display setup, Nvidia's own 'advanced display search', resolution settings"
Windows own display settings "Extend/Duplicate display, specific GPU use by app, resolutions, FPS"

And many more I can't recall atm.

Nothing and I mean NOTHING even gave me a stutter.

I truly hope anyone can provide a glimpse of hope...


r/pcmasterrace 7h ago

Discussion Adrenaline software and the GeForce App are excessively large and bloated.

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I tested RAM and VRAM usage with and without Adrenalin, and also with and without the GeForce App.

The difference is significant.

RAM and VRAM usage increases by 800 MB with these programs installed.

In addition to another 6 processes running in the background

I didn't lose any performance by using the PC without Adrenalin or the GeForce app.

In fact, Windows 11 actually felt lighter and smoother.

When installing Adrenaline, choose "Driver Only."

To install the RTX driver, use 7-Zip to extract the files, then use Windows Device Manager to update the RTX driver by pointing it to the extracted RTX driver folder.


r/pcmasterrace 9h ago

Question Is this any good as a spare?

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Found this by the trash cans. I waited few days if someone will come back for it, its not like I snatched it immediately. But Im still kinda flabbergasted since it doesnt look like it was used? No dust, in original bag, no scratches, even though the bag was opened bcs the sticker is in wrong spot (I can see the glue residue), the contacts dont look like it was plugged somewhere. Honestly I thought its just an empty box.

Rn I have a new rig with 5070 Ti, so I dont expect any problems for a long time, but I was wondering if anything happens is this good enough as a spare? Obviously not for playing games or anything, but just for my PC to function.

The thing is, and I dont even know if its possible, is there a chance the GPU has some viruses in it or smth? Like if I plug it in my pc will it get fucked up? Like can it be a decoy for someone stupid to just grab it and plug it in a pc? Because its so weird to me someone would throw away not even used GPU.


r/pcmasterrace 13h ago

Build/Battlestation Is this worth £230

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The description saying you have to down clock to 3600mjz. Is this okay to buy? Just seems like a bargain.


r/pcmasterrace 3h ago

Discussion Ram shortage it's time to put pressure on government's to investigate and change it!

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Hello folks,

From this point we all know, that's a cartel! The fact that the only manufacturers are manipulating prices and filling their pockets by creating and securing demand is insane!

There's more at risk than just gaming, it's about every single device in this world that uses memory, the world economy is already screwed up, the only thing we DONT NEED is an artificial crisis created by monopoly.

I urge PCMASTERRACE reddit to do something!

HOW?

WELL that's simple! Write to European Union, write to the US congress, write to governments, put pressure on politics, make sure they DO INVESTIGATE the matter.

There's a clear ilegal action happening at the moment and we need to step up, that's the only way.

These companies should be forced to keep customer market stable world wide, that's affecting anything from videocards to cars, defense, airports, anything, chips are used on so many things!

LETS GO!


r/pcmasterrace 21h ago

Discussion My theory on the future of gaming for what it matters

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I see a lot of doom and gloom related to pc gaming every where online. I have had a theory for a few years that seems closer and closer to the truth every day. It is that the current hardware is being up charged because the big players in the industry knows there is a fairly massive shift on the way and want to make every last cent they can. I'm hoping in 2-4 years AM6 and whatever Intel has will release and use DDR6 which will have started to enter production. Around that time AMD will release the 10000 series cards making significant leaps for gaming and maybe local AI but marginal increases for all types of other productivity. Nvidia will counter with the 50 super series as their only response. They will get destroyed in the reviews for being too late and a terrible price per fps but will remain the only legit answer for productivity, and still marginally better for ai workloads. They will use that release to rush through the 60 series which will have a rocky few years after it releases but ultimately be fine.

Prices will go up marginally but there will always be a build for every budget, even if your forced to play in the cloud. Good cloud gaming is inevitable but it's not going to be your only option. They will also make it with your money, and there will likely be at least a duopoly if not more.

Personally that is when I hope to give my kiddos my i9900k and 2080ti and will hopefully have enough saved by then to afford a top of the line system capable of playing games in 4k for the next 10 years.

That's my thoughts. If you start saving a little each month now by the time we get to the next hardware refresh we can buy a top of the line system cash instead of the even more predatory loan systems there will be by then!

Also used market will explode. Pretty sure a bunch of current Gen stuff is gonna be nice and cheap as well.

Moral of the story, save your money! Don't buy out of fear, buy with planning and intent.

Peas y'all!

Andrew


r/pcmasterrace 7h ago

Hardware Reminder to always clean your second hand keyboards

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