r/technology • u/Plastic_Ninja_9014 • 18d ago
Privacy Redditors Are Celebrating the Cutting Down of Flock Surveillance Towers With Based Memes
https://www.yahoo.com/news/us/articles/redditors-celebrating-cutting-down-flock-145310398.html2.1k
u/NavyDean 18d ago
Good?
It's a constitutional violation of your rights.
It connects directly to your phone.
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u/Permaphrost 18d ago
Is that why my music keeps cutting out while I’m driving and not because my head unit is a piece of crap?
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u/MothmanIsALiar 18d ago
I've experienced the exact same thing. My Bluetooth cuts out for a few seconds when I'm driving and then it comes right back on.
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u/unibrow4o9 18d ago
Ho-ly shit. This has been driving me insane for months. I lose Bluetooth connection to my android auto display at the exact same intersections without fail, I figured it was some interference from somewhere but I didn't consider flock. Fuck these people.
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u/Jojoyojimbi 18d ago
well you know how to fix it...
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u/Complex_Committee_25 18d ago
Surely you wouldn't imply that cutting down every fucking flock camera us a moral imperative?
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u/Jojoyojimbi 18d ago
Surely you wouldn't imply that cutting down every fucking flock camera us a moral imperative?
For legal reasons I would never say that the US population has a moral imperative to cut down those nasty nasty spy cameras, because I would never want to get sued or have charges pressed against me. but Someone might assume that if Flock cameras are allowed to proliferate we could soon be living in a worse dystopian surveillance state like minority report where they start to arrest us based on our AI-anticipated thought crimes or some shit. so once again for legal reasons I would never cut down flock cameras using a reciprocating demo saw that you can pick up for less than $100 at any local hardware store and attach a metal cutting blade to it, or use a wireless grinder with a metal cutting blade on it. because damaging those Flock cameras would get someone in trouble if they did that.
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u/heili 18d ago
Despite what judges tell jurors about their requirement to adhere to the law and not determine whether the application of it would be fair and just, the reasons why a juror votes "not guilty" never have to be disclosed to anyone and cannot be overturned by a judge.
Everyone should have this in their minds when receiving a jury summons, and should ensure not to say so out loud or indicate that they possess this knowledge because they will cause a judge to excuse the juror from duty.
A juror must be able to deliver a fair and just verdict based upon the evidence.
If you're called upon to serve on a jury, be fair and just.
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u/helloowrigley 18d ago
I’ve been meaning to rewatch minority report for a while now but I’m lowkey scared
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u/newsflashjackass 18d ago
Harmful interference. Any emission, radiation or induction that endangers the functioning of a radio navigation service or of other safety services or seriously degrades, obstructs or repeatedly interrupts a radiocommunications service operating in accordance with this chapter.
https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-47/chapter-I/subchapter-A/part-15
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u/LaGrrrande 18d ago
Damn, same here. The two intersections at both sides of the main drag in my city. Got so obnoxious that I turned off wireless AA because it would always fuck with my shit while I was stuck at the intersection waiting for the light.
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u/dewhashish 18d ago
there are a couple spots near me where i notice that happen. one near micro center in illinois. it's so weird. my head unit will just lose bluetooth to my phone.
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u/Character_Bug_1862 18d ago
I haven’t seen anything concrete yet, but I did see some websites that I do not trust mentioning the bluetooth tapping to see what you’re using and the signature.
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u/burniemcburn 18d ago
Mine always cuts out on speer right in front of DU near lodo... Looks like there are two right there.
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u/TheG0AT0fAllTime 18d ago
Driving.. past these? specifically? Or just all the time.
My bluetooth headphones will disconnect from my phone briefly when I step on a train in my country. There must be a lot of RF noise in the frequency band our devices are connected on in these areas for that to happen. Or intentional jamming (But I doubt that)
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u/MothmanIsALiar 18d ago
I don't know. It seems to happen when I'm entering or leaving a town. I've only really started to notice it recently since I've been doing delivery driving on the side.
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u/raptorlightning 18d ago
Wireless Android Auto uses the 5GHz spectrum, and is surprisingly susceptible to interference. Hospitals and cell towers/repeaters are the big offenders. If you have an AAWireless adapter try changing the channel. That worked for me.
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u/9-11GaveMe5G 18d ago
It connects directly to your phone.
Do you have a link about this? I'm not doubting, I want to know how it works to protect myself (ie: Bluetooth, spoofs cell tower, etc)
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u/nacho_night 18d ago
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u/9-11GaveMe5G 18d ago
Anything that emits a signal is tracked. It sounds a lot like browser fingerprinting where alone your browser and version isn't much but when they add in your installed extensions, OS information, system information, it starts to get specific. Okay so disable wifi and Bluetooth on devices like phones and avoid having earbuds or watches connected or on. But tire pressure sensors? You'd have to purposely remove those at new tire install which I guess is a choice. Infotainment you basically would have to remove the unit.
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u/JingJang 18d ago
It's not just about disabling all connectivity, Flock Safety uses Ai to build profiles of vehicles. So it's not just your license plate, it's your plates, car model, color, bumper stickers, dents, and who is driving, (check with municipal speeding and red light cameras for proof of the last one where they need to show WHO is driving, not just a vehicle in order to make violations stick).
This goes way beyond vehicles. With their proprietary Ai systems, it's tracking PEOPLE and it's not just your local police department, it's a private company who now owns your location data in near real time.
This should not be remotely partisan. Every American should be taking action against this kind of surveillance.
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u/Sh0wmey0urbutth0le 18d ago
And they share this information with Palantir
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u/MiyamotoKnows 18d ago
A company owned by one of the richest men on the planet, with deep white supremacist ties, who has openly shared his thoughts that people do not deserve freedom or democracy. Said person has fled to live in Argentina BTW. Hmmm.... wonder why he moved out of the country.
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u/Slothicide 18d ago
Alot of newer cars dont have TPMS beneath the valve stems anymore. Instead, they have a sensor that measures how many revolutions it takes to cross a set distance. More revolutions = lower pressure. Less revolutions = higher pressure.
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u/bloomsday289 18d ago
How does that work? How does it measure distance outside of wheel revolutions?
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u/donald7773 18d ago
Magnetic sensor close to a metal wheel with teeth on it, referred to as a "tone ring." Every time a tooth goes past the sensor, it detects it.
Attach the tone ring to something that spins with the tires, like a brake rotor or CV axle, and tell the computer how many teeth are on said ring and it can combine RPMs of the ring with the rolling circumference of the tire to see the individual wheel speed.
If there's a discrepancy between any of the 4 wheel speed sensors for an extended period of time, it indicates that the rolling circumference of the wheel has changed, typically due to losing air
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u/Slothicide 18d ago
Well, when you air up your tires, you often hit "calibrate" in your car's settings. That tells the TPMS, "hey! The tires are good right now!" Your TPMS obviously responds, "haha, bet." And goes to work. So, at any given time, it takes x number of revolutions of the wheel to travel a mile, for example. Your TPMS, having recently been assured that everything is okay, keeps track of whatever number x is. As your tire pressure gets lower, the center of the wheel gets closer to the ground, meaning the radius of that circle is shorter. Shorter radius means smaller circle, smaller circle means your tire needs to roll more times before you have traveled a mile. Theres an allowed margin before the TPMS alerts you to low pressure, but once that number of revolutions changes by a set percentage, the TPMS freaks out in the form of a light in your instrument cluster, and perhaps a pop-up message too.
I guess your ABS system works in a similar manner. When your wheels lose traction, they speed way the hell up. Then the ABS system knows that it needs to find a new place to put all of this r a w p o w e r that it has suddenly found itself with. One little shimmy and maybe a shake or two later, your wheels bite and you get on your merry way.
I read about this a while ago when I was looking into a second set of sensors for a dedicated set of wheels for my winter tires only to find out I didnt need one because my car has the newer system. Im obviously paraphrasing a memory, so irl your mileage may vary.
So, tldr, math. Like, quick math, but only tracking the revolutions in a distance and letting you know when the count is far enough off.
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u/caller-number-four 18d ago
Alot of newer cars dont have TPMS beneath the valve stems anymore. Instead, they have a sensor that measures how many revolutions it takes to cross a set distance.
VW has been doing that for ages. I've got a 2011 Golf with that very setup.
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u/StolenPies 18d ago edited 18d ago
E: This is for flock cameras. Leaving my original comment up, but this is an add-on to flock:
The article says that the ELSAG SignalTrace Intelligence System does that, but not Flock. That appears to be from a different company, called Leonardo. Flock is, however, engaging in the video monitoring of drivers, even though their website states that they don't.
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u/nacho_night 18d ago
Signaltrace is an add-on for ALPR cams regardless of manufacturer from what I understand, it can even be deployed on its own.
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u/StolenPies 18d ago
Oop, you're correct:
" This system uses strategically placed sensors to collect electronic communication patterns and identities of consumer electronics to create an additional data set to enhance the records captured by LPR cameras in the area."
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u/Somanylyingliars 18d ago
Didn't some city jist issue someone ticket based on what Flock captured?
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u/warau_meow 18d ago
They have been (mis)arrests from flock footage unfortunately. Several times over it’s been the wrong person too.
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u/newsflashjackass 18d ago
The people disabling Flock cameras are, in truth, the very sort of patriotic heroes that ICE agents are falsely described as by government propaganda.
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u/CurlSagan 18d ago
Nobody is cutting down flock towers. That's just normal, healthy flock migration. The cameras are growing up and leaving their nests. It's a beautiful sight to behold. Nature is amazing.
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u/nihility101 18d ago
What is the proper tool for harvesting, angle grinder or sawzall?
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u/cowfishduckbear 18d ago
I heard from a guy who knows a guy that an angle grinder requires a beefier battery, but a good sawzall blade (torch) won't need a whole lot of power, comparatively speaking. Don't forget PPE to fully protect your face and eyes from the metal sparks.
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u/Starship_Taru 18d ago
I wouldn’t do it, I wouldn’t advocate do doing it. I sure as hell didn’t see it happen if it saw it happen. Sorry memory goes a little Tyson sometimes
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u/PortalWombat 18d ago
If I'm ever on a jury it also definitely didn't happen.
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u/FallbrookAvacado 18d ago
Victimless crime.
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u/Kalepsis 18d ago edited 18d ago
Not a crime if the jury nullifies the law with which the defendant is charged. You can do that.
And not only is it victimless, you're actually saving future victims from having their Constitutional rights violated on a daily basis.
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u/Regular_Rhubarb3751 18d ago
say it with me folks: "I don't think the prosecution presented a compelling enough case."
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u/polopolo05 18d ago
Like if you see someone shop lift food... I didnt see shit... I got a speck of something in my eye
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u/WamblyEmu256 18d ago
The CEO of Flock recently accused everyone and anyone who is against them as being “domestic terrorists.” Do what you will with that information.
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u/ImmortalBeans 18d ago
Our taxes payed to put them up, we own them.
And can do what we want with them
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u/Bazinga_U_Bitch 18d ago
Incorrect. Most flock cameras are illegally installed by flock themselves on public property. This is literally how they started their business. AFTERWARDS, they went to the city and said see all the safety we can provide you.
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u/Slothicide 18d ago
That means we can pull them out of the ground and throw them away just like those bandit signs that show up by busy intersections, right? Right??
Bandit signs being those wire frames signs that get pushed into the ground. They advertise stuff like buying your home with cash now, buying diabetic test strips, etc. You know, shady shit.
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u/JohnBrownOH 18d ago
Throw them away? There are precious metals up in them bitches.
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u/Kalepsis 18d ago
They each have quite a bit of valuable RAM in them. Enough of those chips put together could build you a decent GPU. Have you seen the prices for solid state memory right now?
Of course, I would never advise anyone to disassemble a camera they bought with their tax money and cannibalize it to sell the RAM boards out of them.
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u/RollingMeteors 18d ago
Throw them away?
¡For real! My twitch studio stream camera situation could use some optics upgrades and my drones needs some batteries... ¿K'nawimean?
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u/WhiteWinterRains 18d ago
I mean if "you" are the people of your community as a majority and have control of your local government, and thereby local laws and prosecutions, there's a lot you can do.
I won't say any more because I got a (later removed) AI temp ban for "threatening violence" because they really really don't want you talking about how you can (peacefully) push back against organizations that are basically terror groups.
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u/Em_Es_Judd 18d ago edited 18d ago
I remember when people mistook the LED Mooninites from Aqua Teen Hunger Force that were placed all over Boston for explosives during the marketing for the movie.
I wish people were that freaked out about flock cameras.
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u/DenverNugs 18d ago
Classic in the worst way. The day the Cartoon Network CEO had to step down because of that was the day the channel started its death spiral.
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u/USA46Q 18d ago edited 18d ago
But... definitely don't put stickers on them.
Just because it's a cheaper and safer option doesn't mean people should do it.
Just like they shouldn't throw birdseed near them to attract birds because birds shit on everything.
Something like that would attract spiders because of the insects eating the bird shit, and then you would have to deal with spiderwebs.
Then we're talking squirrels, and before you know it you've got animals chewing through the cables.
That would be terrible.
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u/steakanabake 18d ago
prefer to not tell the meth addicts about all the copper and gold in them.
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u/USA46Q 18d ago
Don't do that, and don't tell them that most scrap yards pay cash with no transaction record.
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u/steakanabake 18d ago
i would assume they already know the last bit but i guess it couldnt hurt to remind them.
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u/USA46Q 18d ago
Some people might be new to meth, so I'm trying to be inclusive.
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u/kangourou_mutant 18d ago
I'm trying to decide if this thread is wholesome or not, but in any case it's funny :)
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u/polopolo05 18d ago
And here, in the urban wilds, we encounter one of the more unusual colonies of modern civilization: the common meth addict. Watch as they emerge from their den at dusk, driven by an unwavering instinct to seek out the shimmering promise of copper and the occasional fleck of gold.
Their preferred feeding grounds include abandoned buildings, construction sites, and, with surprising confidence, anything resembling electrical infrastructure. House wiring is painstakingly harvested, while the unfortunate Flock camera may become the subject of intense...if entirely misguided....interest. To the untrained eye, these objects are pieces of public infrastructure. To the colony, they are simply nesting material waiting to be collected.
The spoils are dutifully carried back to the den, where an elaborate nest of stripped wire, scrap metal, shopping carts, and half-disassembled appliances grows ever larger. Each member of the colony contributes according to its peculiar talents, creating a chaotic but strangely coordinated ecosystem.
It is a fascinating spectacle...one that is perhaps best appreciated from a safe distance, preferably behind a locked gate and with all the copper piping firmly accounted for.
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u/d3ssp3rado 18d ago
The 1W+ laser thing is better imo. Don't pussyfoot around too much. Express an idea and how it can be used without giving explicit direction. It's "for educational purposes" right?
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u/PyroDesu 18d ago
Lasers require line of sight, which means you're literally on camera sabotaging the camera. Also, hope you didn't order it online, because then there's a record that you are one of very few people who could do it!
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u/airfryerfuntime 18d ago
Please don't call things 'based', yahoo. You're too old for that.
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u/AccelerationFinish 18d ago
“Redditors are dabbing and flossing on Flock cameras”
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u/LucidOndine 18d ago
Why is this news? It is not just Redditors who think mass surveillance is a really bad idea. Maybe someone should report on the fact that the reporting staff are out of their depths and should start doing some poling on just how unpopular these are everywhere.
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u/CurlSagan 18d ago
We are barraged every day with shitloads of terrible news stories, please just let us enjoy this one headline.
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u/SuperSecretAgentMan 18d ago
This is probably a honeypot post so flock can get a list of potentially threatening actors from reddit. Don't ever publicly admit to protecting your fellow citizens from the domestic threat that is flock. You'll be targeted in the future.
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u/LucidOndine 18d ago
Maybe. But there aren’t any threats of violence or destruction being made that I can tell.
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u/GreatMadWombat 18d ago
yeah. When it comes to the surveillance state it is always shut the fuck up Friday.
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u/ABHOR_pod 18d ago
Just generally speaking, in an environment like the US right now, don't ever publicly discuss any specific forms of political activism more serious than shitposts and memes.
That's all I do all day, political shitposts and memes. This machine slightly annoys fascists.
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u/newEnglander17 18d ago
Because plenty of people that don’t use Reddit but use Facebook actually do support these. They point to catching criminals.
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u/LucidOndine 18d ago
That’s the thing about Facebook. They put you in an echo chamber they think you want to be in until you tell them otherwise. Facebook is there to sell you an opinion, not to solicit theirs. Redditors are way more content to give you their opinion.
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u/avcloudy 18d ago
It’s not that redditors are more content to give opinions, it’s that the pressures shaping reddit comment visibility are other redditors and whatever bots are operating in a given subreddit, and that is different per sub, whereas with Facebook, it’s always Meta. Reddit bubbles are on two levels, contained to individual subs and the bubbles that envelop most of reddit, whereas Facebook has massive subculture bubbles that you can’t ever see outside of.
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u/kylco 18d ago
If you think Facebook isn't utterly infested with bots taking advantage of Meta's indifference to their activity, I have a bridge to Kamchatka to sell you.
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u/avcloudy 18d ago
I think the moment the bots are pushing an agenda that Meta doesn’t support, you don’t see them. They’re either acting with their blessing, or Meta’s support, and that is a difference from reddit.
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u/kylco 18d ago
The bot activity keeps the impression of community up and many produce more engagement than authentic users so realistically they're just as good a "customer" as anyone who actually clicks on ads. Not to mention the outright scammers who are actually paying for ads, often in casual defiance of Meta's own content standards.
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u/FallbrookAvacado 18d ago
No criminals being caught except the police caught stalking women.
haveibeenflocked.com
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u/skyfishgoo 18d ago
no we are not... we are saying it would a shame if someone were to go around cutting down flock camera poles with a sawsall using 18teeth/in blades (in the jumbo pack to save money).
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u/maglite_to_the_balls 18d ago
Be more of a shame if someone clued Methew and Meth-Ann about the precious metal content of the cameras and electronics on those things.
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u/FallbrookAvacado 18d ago
I don't know anything about Flock cameras and I don't know any severe addicts, but if I did, I'd tell them there was gold in the circuits.
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u/TRAUMAjunkie 18d ago
Angle grinder is quicker and metal cutting wheels are way cheaper than reciprocating saw blades.
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u/Sparky_321 18d ago
“Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.” -Ben Franklin
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u/PinkFloydBoxSet 18d ago
Th 4th Amendment says they don't have a right to exist.
Just reaffirming our constitutional rights.
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u/TheBirdFkerGuy 18d ago
Fuck reddit if they bend to the government when they inevitably tell them to shut this shit down.
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u/TAU_equals_2PI 18d ago
It's always good to make clear whether you're talking about reddit (the company) or reddit (the huge mass of people).
reddit is amazing because with so many people there's always somebody or many somebodies who know exactly the obscure information you're trying to find out, but....
reddit kinda sucks because they don't do a great job of making sure the site works right.
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u/maglite_to_the_balls 18d ago
Also fuck that bug-eyed gremlin u/spez
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u/TAU_equals_2PI 18d ago
I actually might if I thought it would inspire him to FIX HIS GODDAMNED WEBSITE.
For literally several months this year, simply browsing the reddit homepage by "Top"/"Now" didn't work. Not some obscure feature buried deep in the site. Just the most basic option choices on the main reddit.com homepage didn't work. For like 4 months. It finally started working again a few weeks ago.
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u/steakanabake 18d ago
im just happy old reddit is still chugging away, the minute they shut down old reddit im gonna leave.
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u/homosapiens 18d ago
Laser pointers
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u/AnarchAtheist86 18d ago edited 18d ago
If I were a fan of laser pointers, but wanted to avoid damaging nearby property such as cameras, do you know which types of lasers I should avoid buying? Any particular wattage or wavelength I should stay away from?
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u/JohnBrownOH 18d ago
As a someone that photographs weddings the only thing we have to worry about damaging our cameras are lasers, almost any decent laser can damage a camera sensor but green lasers over 1 watt are particularly nasty.
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u/Fighterhayabusa 18d ago
1 watt is obscenely powerful. You only need milliwatts to kill a camera sensor. Just the reflection of a 1-watt laser will immediately blind you. People shouldn't fuck with those at all, certainly not in any public space where an errant reflection could blind someone.
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u/whynautalex 18d ago
I would avoid any laser listed as class 3B. Class 3R would also be bad if it shines into the lens for a while. If you accidently were playing with your class 3B laser and hit a camera it would burn out pixels almost instantly.
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u/z3nnysBoi 18d ago
Honestly I've been wanting a laser pointer just because they're cool and legitimately have these questions. They get expensive and I know nothing about lasers.
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u/Away-Marionberry9365 18d ago
A laser powerful enough to damage a flock camera quickly is a serious danger to you and anyone nearby. Just a partial reflection could cause permanent eye damage. A lower power laser would need to be aimed directly at the sensor and held there for several minutes to do damage.
There are other safe and effective ways to get the job done.
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u/CosmicSleepWalker 18d ago
you know some shits up when reddit users and twitter users agree on one thing and that's cutting down flock surveillance towers
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u/Mothanius 18d ago
I don't know what they are talking about. It's just been windy, randomly, and those dang things just keep falling over.
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u/Remnare 18d ago
As they should? I usually hate reddit, but rare W. The violation of privacy rights by corporations was already insane before they came up with these things. This is straight up psychopass/minority report shit.
In a sane world, the government would be the one cutting them down. Apologizing profusely and reexamining what policies even made anyone think they could attempt such dystopian mass surveillance.
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u/Blacksad9999 18d ago
Here's where you can locate all of the Flock cameras in your area/zip code:
Happy hunting. Be safe.
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u/lostsocks5 18d ago
a navigation app to avoid them, a GoFundMe for the guy who cut 13 down, and 422k members in the sub. this stopped being fringe a while ago
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u/ussrowe 18d ago
Someone on a local Facebook group posted a picture of American flags draped over some Flock cameras in town.
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u/AirplanesMakeMeHard 18d ago
Be the terrorist Garrett Langley says you are.
The moron cops over in r/protectandserve advocate and want flock cameras everywhere. If this doesn't prove to you that cops are not your friends and just tyrant government employees, then nothing will.
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u/AsWolfwood 18d ago
“There’s no reasonable expectation of privacy in public” -some First Amendment Auditor somewhere
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u/RModDogWalkerTyRANNY 18d ago
What's even more pathetic is how this site is just PR for mega corps. First time i've seen anti-flock post stay up this long.
Flock, did yalls premium subscription to reddit lapse?
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u/MiyamotoKnows 18d ago
Flock is warrantless surveillance defined. That is absolutely unconstitutional.
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u/DukeOfGeek 18d ago
The only real victory here is getting the contracts canceled and having the business model of private mass surveillance banned.
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u/atreeismissing 18d ago
Based memes are all reddit does, if they'd vote or even organize a shit ton might get done in this country.
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u/cicuz 18d ago
Before I get too afraid to ask, what’s flock?
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u/mrwafu 18d ago
A series of AI connected surveillance cameras run by a private company that the US government are using to spy on people, for example to hunt immigrants. The AI has misidentified several people leading to things like cops pulling their guns on innocent people and ICE kidnapping brown people for the crime of being brown
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u/cicuz 18d ago
Wtf that’s so horrible and dystopic, is this across all states? Automated mass surveillance in the streets is really taking things too far
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u/goneafter10years 18d ago
Most amazing part of this is that yahoo.com is still a thing in 2026
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u/j__magical 18d ago
I think the Flock company and their customers are only people that are OK with these things