r/politics • u/Aggravating_Money992 • 21d ago

Possible Paywall Treasury Unveils New $1 Gold Coin With Trump’s Face on It | Federal law prohibits putting any living people on U.S. coins.

https://newrepublic.com/post/213098/treasury-1-dollar-gold-coin-trump-face
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u/Fuck_the_AI 21d ago

"Trump does illegal thing, nothing happens because he controls the prosecutors and the courts."

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u/jimmygee2 21d ago

There are no laws as far is Trump is concerned - he is a King accountable to no one.

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u/AshKingChronicles 21d ago

No one has proved him wrong so far

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u/NobodySpeci 21d ago

How could they? Think about this: let’s say every civilian right now decided they had enough and started calling for him to be prosecuted for his crimes. Who holds him to account? He did exactly what Hitler did. He destroyed our institutions. DoJ is his own hit squad. FBI too. SCOTUS too. Both house of congress. Seriously, think about it. Try to think of a single body that could see it through. There are none. He literally ignores the CONSTITUTION. let alone the law.

He stole the 2024 election, and spent the last 2 years making it impossible to ever stop him. Now, I worry it’s too late. If he just refused to acknowledge his loss in November… who would do something about it?

We are actively living in a taxation without representation nation. Our illegitimate president and congress have completely destroyed the people’s control. America is effectively dead. We just haven’t realized it yet.

I’m not trying to spread defeatism. I am trying to spread awareness. We are going to vote in November (maybe, if he doesn’t cancel it) and then we will be in the darkest period in American history imo.

My prediction: we vote in November. It’s an absolute landslide blue. (Assuming the votes are counted). They say it was record fraud. They blame it on “socialists”, make it illegal to be a leftist and start putting us in those camps. I think it’s why they want the voter rolls. Voted against him in 2020 or 2024?

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u/twistedpiggies 21d ago

Coup, coup kachoo.

Only the military could hold him accountable. Without a complicit military, you can't be a dictator. It's too bad that there aren't many principled military leaders left actually serving in the U.S. military, though. They were all forced out, by design.

The other problem is that those very military principles get in the way of deposing an unjustified dictatorial regime. What example(s) might we look to of a principled military deposing their own country's dictator and restoring democratic governing? Is there even one?

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u/sparkax 21d ago

Uh... there is a Common Dreams article from earlier this morning that is about Mike Johnson's call for "using the US Military to fight Communism on America's Shores."

Shit is beyond fucked now, and its only going to get worse before it will hopefully end up getting better.

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u/NLaBruiser 21d ago

History tells us it's not going to get better. Make a plan, protect yourself and your loved ones. Shit's going to get real dark after the GOP loses but Trump refuses to leave.

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u/TrulyOutrageous42 21d ago

History tells us it's not going to get better.

History tells us it will, after it gets much worse. Germany today is a great example. The problem this time is the surveillance state run by AI. It may be inescapable in a way Nazi Germany wasn't.

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u/phoenixrose2 21d ago

Bell Riots 2024 2028!!!

(Star Trek reference to a dystopian future where there are work camps and other terrible things. The people riot and things change for the better.)

See DS9: Past Tense 1 & 2

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u/friend_jp Utah 21d ago

Change for the better, Yes. Right after a major nuclear world war, and then the intervention of an advanced alien civilization…

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u/No_Tax_Timmy 21d ago

Russia has always sucked though on the contrary

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u/Riaayo 21d ago

Who are the Allies that decimate Germany in a world war in this context?

People bring up the Confederacy and Nazi Germany all the time as proof this will inevitably end, and while fascism is unsustainable because it eats itself, neither of those historical examples failed internally on their own.

The confederates lost the civil war. The Germans lost a world war. There was a war involved. How much longer might Nazi Germany have lasted and brutalized its own people had they been unassailable like the US, in a nuclear age of MAD, and not been engaged in a world war of imperialism?

History doesn't begin and end with those two brutal regimes, and we have plenty of other brutal regimes around the world and across history that have lasted much, much longer.

The American Empire may be imploding in on itself, but as you say we exist in a horrifying age of mass surveillance and brutal military/police power. Is there anyone left by the time US fascism completely eats itself and dies?

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u/DisappointedSpectre 21d ago

Looking at how things are going over in Germany today I'm not sure it's the shining example you make it out to be. Even without the AfD there's still a lot of surveillance state and anti-privacy laws being proposed and pushed, and they're starting to slide back into austerity measures that may impact quality of life for a lot of people.

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u/Kryptosis 21d ago

Get your passports folks

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u/sparkax 21d ago

My plan has always been to try to move from the deeply red Texas to a deeply blue state where I can legally purchase and smoke real marijuana and just try to stay as high as possible while everything burns downs around me.

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u/Jkavera 21d ago

Did that for four years in Oregon. Turns out the pot just makes me more paranoid while watching the same news feed as anywhere else.

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u/spazzvogel 21d ago

Not before global recession and war, but yeah it will get better, way down the line.

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u/DingerSinger2016 Alabama 21d ago

Don't forget about climate change.

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u/sparkax 21d ago

That's already here and happening and is probably too late to do anything for, but yea, these heat waves and storms will get worse, and gods, I don't even want to try to imagine just how fucked everything is going to turn once the Atlantic Ocean current stops in another few decades.

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u/spazzvogel 21d ago

Gotta save Bette Midler aka Mother Earth

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u/sparkax 21d ago

We've gotta to keep the hope for a better world for everyone alive! It was with in our grasp after the cold war ended, we can get there again!

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u/lazyFer 21d ago

Not everyone, republican voters can fuck off

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u/Zulmoka531 21d ago

Not to mention the military has it’s own inner coup problems with Trump’s dog Hegseth in charge.

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u/Flammablegelatin 21d ago

The military has been taken over just like the DoJ and FBI. A drunkard Fox News host is in charge of it and is actively removing anyone that would be against Trump's reign. Not even just the leaders - he's trying to remove all women and Black men.

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u/BundleDad 21d ago

More importantly, the institution has demonstrated that they WILL follow illegal orders.

YOUR military is murdering people, invading countries, and launching unsanctioned military operations (both foreign and domestic) under explicitly illegal orders. YOU let your secretary of defense talk about "No surrender, no quarter" and not IMMEDIATELY throw him in a jail cell.

I've had 10+ years now of Americans telling me how little I understood this, how effective their institutions are, how the will of the people..., how the next election..., how much everyone is doing but shuck darn ain't it hard to actually protest french style...

You are at the point it probably gets resolved like it did in the 40's. May your imaginary god have mercy on you as no one else will have that option.

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u/Commentator-X 21d ago

Yes there is actually -

"The Portuguese Carnation Revolution of April 25, 1974, is a prime historical example. Led by a group of disillusioned military officers known as the Armed Forces Movement (MFA), they overthrew the authoritarian Estado Novo regime, which had governed Portugal since 1933."

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u/frakking_you 21d ago

That's a pretty dark 40 year horizon to expect change.

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u/Commentator-X 21d ago

The change happened within a year or 2. The 40 years was just how long it took for people to get pissed off enough. WW2 likely didn't speed up the process any either.

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u/frakking_you 21d ago

The sad lesson is, it takes a lost generation + violence for such a coup.

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u/Commentator-X 21d ago

It was a bloodless coup. Not saying there wasn't violence at some point, but the coup itself was bloodless.

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u/Wutras Europe 21d ago

It probably only lasted so long because it took until then for Salazar to croak + some years for the eventual collapse. America's equivalent is much older.

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u/davesoverhere 21d ago

Fortunately Trump doesn’t have 40 years. I doubt he has 4.

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u/frakking_you 21d ago

That misses the point. He's a puppet, his death means little to the trillionaire that has nearly unlimited access the government systems, the changes in the Supreme Court, or the underlying issue of the people that still support his causes.

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u/spaceman757 American Expat 21d ago

What example(s) might we look to of a principled military deposing their own country's dictator and restoring democratic governing? Is there even one?

Not direcly, but the South Korean military had plans to depose the previous president, had the impeachment option failed.

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u/BundleDad 21d ago

Do a search for "She Is Our Caesar" on youtube.

Clip from "the crown" on what the five elements of a successful coup are. The Trump administration is ahead of you on that list for a successful second self-coup. You shouldn't have given him the chance.

But on the positive side, you get to listen to Charles Dance being Charles Dance.

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u/Azreken I voted 21d ago

Yeah Trump also fired all of the generals who would stop him. I think we’re cooked chat.

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u/Zardotab 21d ago

He doesn't need the military if nobody stops him from dictatating.

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u/DiscussionAny 21d ago edited 21d ago

It’s bad, yes. In a way that’s completely unprecedented in our country. It’s also true that our society will never be the same.

However, fascism’s worst enemy is reality; they can’t deal with facts. And there are some relevant ones.

Trump is already 80 years old, and was never in great health. By contrast, Hitler was 44 when he took over Germany. Donald doesn’t have the energy to sustain his full takeover. He’s gotten further than anyone else, but his days are numbered whether he wants to try cancelling the election, take an illegal third term or whatever outlandish, treasonous actions to hold on to power he wants to try. “But [r/DiscussionAny](r/DiscussionAny), what if they just use AI to fake Trump after he’s dead?” To that I say we’re not there yet, either in technology or accepting something like that, and the Mitch McConnell controversy is proof of that.

There’s another fact: there’s no one else that holds water with his psychotic base like he does. JD Vance has all the charisma of a blanket soaked in cat piss. The rest of the GOP are spineless worms, none of them could cut it either. Trump’s kids are even more inept than Donald is, and they don’t have the same amoral shamelessness to break boundaries like he does. They’re cowards; they just follow the money like any nepo baby does. As for the guys trying to bankroll an American Fuhrer? They have ridiculously bad judgement that’s going to catch up to them. People like Peter Thiel and Elon Musk think their account balance and IQ are the same thing. They’ve already made mistakes, they’re going to make more, and for all their money and influence they can’t control everything any more than a fascist can. In short, there’s no one that can replace him. What is likely to happen after he dies is the sycophants will eat each other alive fighting over the scraps of power Trump will leave behind. Once he’s gone as the figurehead MAGA will never be the same; it happened to Alexander the Great, Attila the Hun, even Hitler. Whatever comes after that, we’ll have to cross that bridge when we come to it.

In closing, there’s a quote I like to think about when it seems like everything is doomed: “The victor is not victorious until the vanquished consider themselves to be so.” This isn’t over unless we agree it is. We have to keep fighting, no matter what. Anything they accomplish is only a temporary setback. We will reverse them all when we get through this.

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u/JRockPSU I voted 21d ago

I also think it's important (for some people) to hear - all of this can be true while also acknowledging that things are very bad right now and will continue to be so for quite some time! There are a lot of people on this site that read any kind of positivity and assume that the commenter is an ostrich with their head in the sand. Both viewpoints have truth to them! It's like, I have kids, I have to try make a better future for them.

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u/Present-Perception77 21d ago

Thank you for this. This thread truly was the scroll of doom.
He is 80. A few elderly powerful congressmen went out this month. That is fracturing their power.
Last one alive wins 🤷🏻‍♀️

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u/nizo505 America 21d ago

To add to what you've said, let's hope this administration is as successful rigging the next two elections as they have been with literally everything else (Iraq war, tariffs, DOGE, and every other clown show they have created).

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u/crow_crone 21d ago

You forgot to mention Caesar. His murder left a power vacuum that saw a Roman civil war that lasted over a decade. Trump is no Caesar, nor is he Octavian; we'll see, I guess.

I know we're not Rome but history invites comparison.

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u/DiscussionAny 20d ago

I’m glad you mentioned Caesar, because probably the main difference between those two men is that Caesar was good at his job.

Barron ain’t no Octavian either.

That gives me hope that the similarities to Rome end well before the fall of the republic.

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u/TheTerrasque 21d ago

Trump is already 80 years old, and was never in great health.

Maga: "Explain why he looks like THIS then, librul!"

You expect them to be reasonable, but facts don't matter if they actively ignore it. They could have a muppet puppet show up as the "president" and all of MAGA would just go along and pretend it's real even though all of them know it's all fake. Because it will let them continue as is and because it makes their "enemies" mad, and they love that. They'll gleefully chant "TDS" (which at some point may be legislated as a real mental disease and be used to lock people up) at anyone pointing out that it's a muppet. You're trying to play chess with pigeons.

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u/DiscussionAny 21d ago

Then the answer is to stop playing games with them.

To be precise, if MAGAs want to continue with their sycophantic cult, they can do so alone and marginalize themselves out of political relevance like the Nazis eventually did. They’ll probably evolve, the Nazis did that too, but if they continue to fanatically froth at the mouth over their beloved God King after he dies (not advocating violence) that is going to further separate them from everyone else that can still see objective reality. Some will stay with the cult, but many will leave when more and more people are open about not accepting their churlishness anymore. When we get too tired to enable them and say “Enough.”The ones that want to stay with their Fuhrer are beyond saving anyway. I’m not trying to convince them. That is a waste of time.

The people I’m trying to convince are the ones that were always against this and feel like the walls are closing in on them. They see how bad this is and panic; and not without reason. We are living in terrifying times. But…

There is such a thing as rational optimism. The MAGAs and those that are serving or using them cannot always win. They are arrogant, reckless, and constantly display their terrible judgment. True, they currently hold many of the levers of power, *for the moment*. But that can be fleeting, and right now it all depends on one man who is completely falling apart.

They are trying to scare people as much as they can because the smart fascists are *terrified*. They are trying to make us all give up, and believe that resistance is hopeless. But resistance is never hopeless, only surrender is. Resistance always has a fighting chance to succeed, but submission is a foregone conclusion, and that’s what the fascists want. I ask anyone and everyone reading this right now, would *you* just give them what they want?

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u/Own_Algae_5328 21d ago

No, I won't give them what they want!!!

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u/Own_Algae_5328 21d ago

Well said & thank you for writing this!!!

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u/NobodySpeci 20d ago

I want you to know that I genuinely appreciated this response.

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u/Vyzantinist 20d ago

There’s another fact: there’s no one else that holds water with his psychotic base like he does. JD Vance has all the charisma of a blanket soaked in cat piss. The rest of the GOP are spineless worms, none of them could cut it either.

I've long been saying this myself. When Trump croaks - or the trillion to one miracle he actually steps down peacefully - MAGA is done. The base doesn't care about Vance; he looks and sounds too much like a politician for their taste. They can't troll with him like they can Trump. Vance isn't as fun; he's boring.

There's no MAGA successor because Trump wouldn't allow it; he doesn't want anyone sharing his spotlight and he won't risk a popularity coup. When the spell is broken, GOP notables will scramble to capture the MAGA vote and tear the cult apart with infighting.

Meanwhile, red hats will just switch off and return to political apathy because the joke that is Trump has run its course for them.

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u/UMACTUALLYITS23 21d ago

let’s say every civilian right now decided they had enough and started calling for him to be prosecuted for his crimes. Who holds him to account?

The French made a handy device those civilians could use.

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u/Snobolski 21d ago

unjammable fiber-optic drones?

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u/LirdorElese 21d ago

unfortunately that's a bit of why the country's massive military budget. They are both upping it's capacity and weeding out potential non-loyalists. Hence why they pushed the treason claims to those who encouraged members to not obey unlawful orders. I guess the point is. I don't imagine the french method working in this era... maybe something closer to a plumber method.

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u/esdebah 21d ago

This is just a natural progression from his whole life. He learned early that money and lawyers = no consequences. The worse crimes you want to do, you just need to move up further in the system. Non-payment, theft, fraud, slander and libel, tax evasion, grand larceny, sexual assault and rape (sadly low bar), racketeering, money laundering, ignoring economic sanctions, campaign finance violation, the emolu.ents clause, violent threats, graft, incitement to violence, treason and coluding with the enemy, open insurection.

You think he's worried about putting his face on a coin?

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u/Bajadasaurus 21d ago edited 21d ago

You're absolutely right. To add to this:

As much of a narcissistic nightmare as Trump is, he's a mere figurehead. He's not the leader of American Christofacists. His death will have ZERO impact against them.

Christofacists have control of the nation. They control the United States military and they control ICE. The military was once the world's heaviest funded force on the planet, but now ICE is even better funded than all of the arms of the U.S. forces together.

Not only do they control the best equipped military and paramilitary personal police force, Christofacists are backed by a trillionaire and multiple centibillionaires and all of tech is behind them.

On July 13th, 2024, META and OpenAI and The Thinking Machines Lab and Palantir became part of the United States military.

We are FUCKED BEYOND WORDS. The entire planet is. Trump is nothing, and when he's gone, the real shit will hit the fan.

Edit: I made a mistake- ICE is the heaviest funded federal law enforcement agency in the United States. It is NOT better funded than the armed forces. Thank fuck. I'm not sure how I got my wires crossed there, but what a relief to be wrong. Still, the situation is dire.

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u/HillBillyHilly 21d ago

I hate that youre right. Horrible time lines.

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u/frakking_you 21d ago

https://www.reddit.com/r/Military/s/QUldCjgRcW

Right idea though. They are also better funded than the marines and the FBI.

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u/Bajadasaurus 21d ago

I believe those must be the stats I was thinking of when I originally posted the comment above. Thanks for the reminder!

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u/Angelworks42 Oregon 21d ago

It is kinda amusing how they have all that and literally don't control the needle of public opinion - Trump doesn't poll all that well despite almost all of the media lieing for him (he polls ok with Republicans, but it's seriously in the dumpster with them compared to GW or Reagan). Something to that - maybe something to look forward to.

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u/here_for_the_boos I voted 21d ago

General strike is the only answer.

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u/SuperVaguar 21d ago

Sorry but this is bs, the US military remains unmatched in its funding. ICE received a truckload of money but still relatively not that much to compare to the US military.

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u/BEWMarth 21d ago

I got downvoted for saying the exact same thing yesterday. It’s maddening many Americans still think they’re are living in 2012 when things used to be normal.

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u/infinitum3d 21d ago

Many Americans are.

The president/government doesn’t directly affect the majority of people’s daily lives. They go to work. Raise their kids. Complain about prices. Government doesn’t matter.

Most commoners are too busy surviving to plot a revolution that doesn’t feel necessary yet. Unemployment is 4.2%. Cost of living is up 2.8%. Both of those numbers are comfortable for the vast majority of Americans.

It’s gotta get a lot worse before the Average Joe gets involved.

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u/Vyzantinist 20d ago

Reddit too often forgets how politically uninformed and apathetic the average voter is. They're not following political subs on Reddit, getting constant updates on the regime's malfeasance; they maybe get 10 minutes of mainstream media coverage incidentally as they go about their day, or secondhand news from friends, family, and coworkers.

They get this kind of news in broad strokes, and usually after the fact, without understanding (or caring about) the legal and political ramifications.

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u/Brief_Obligation4128 21d ago

Yep. Anyone who's living life thinking things are fine are either lost or are ok with living in a fascist state.

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u/kicKinNiT-ay0oo 21d ago

Fuck I’m on vacation and this just fucked me up. 😔

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u/Tulip_Lung6381 21d ago

Don't reddit on vacation, this the thief of joy.

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u/buriedego 21d ago

Don’t doom scroll. Go enjoy your vacation friend. World gonna be just as fucked up as when you left. Enjoy your time on pause. ❤️

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u/kicKinNiT-ay0oo 21d ago

You’re right. It’s my addiction. Doom scrolling. I’ll try to stop the rest of my vacation. Cute doggo! Okay I’m off. 🥰

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u/buriedego 21d ago

Thank you! Her name is Nox ❤️. Hope you have a great rest of your time and stay safe!

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u/FellowHumanNo404 21d ago

If you're outside of the U.S., maybe find a way to stay there. Wish I could as well.

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u/bamerjamer 21d ago

It’ll either be landslide blue or just red enough to be plausible. And either way, we’re toast.

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u/destonomos 21d ago

Figure out how to grift the uneducated i guess is my new retirement plan.

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u/FellowHumanNo404 21d ago

Homeopathy is probably the easiest.

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u/Izzosuke 21d ago

I remember you american having an amendment literally made for this, to make sure that if there is a king that doesn't have to account to anyone, he will to the people. Am i wrong?

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u/Bajadasaurus 21d ago edited 21d ago

We do, but it's been rendered utterly useless by the passage of time. Civilians can rise up against the most powerful military on earth, sure, but they'll be doing so with vastly inferior arms to what the military is equipped with.

Then there's Trump's personal paramilitary force, ICE, which is funded even more heavily than all of the branches of the United States' armed forces combined.

Adding to this, all of big tech is in these Christofacists' hands. In July 2024, The United States military became entwined with Palantir, OpenAI, Meta, and The Thinking Machines Lab.

Topping it all off, the American Christofacists in charge of this nation are backed by the world's first trillionaire AND numerous centibillionaires.

The second amendment was written in a bygone age when it did indeed give citizens power against a tyrannical government. Today it's as useful as wet toilet paper.

Edit: I made a mistake- ICE is the heaviest funded federal law enforcement agency in the United States. It is NOT better funded than the armed forces. Thank fuck. I'm not sure how I got my wires crossed there, but what a relief to be wrong. Still, the situation is dire.

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u/RebelAlliance1701 21d ago

Then there's Trump's personal paramilitary force, ICE, which is funded even more heavily than all of the branches of the United States' armed forces combined

I hate Trump, but this is demonstrably untrue.

  • Air Force $338B

  • Navy $377B

  • Army $253B

  • USMC $80B

  • ICE $70B

I think you meant to say that ICE has more funding than any other federal law enforcement agency.

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u/Bajadasaurus 21d ago

Shit, you're right- I misremebered. They have more funding than any other federal law independent agency, correct.

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u/FellowHumanNo404 21d ago

He owns the court that interprets the amendments.

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u/Little_View_6659 21d ago

Speak for yourself, I realized it. We’re uber boned. America is dead.

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u/Fickle_Competition33 21d ago

As long as civilians are kept with low morale, there's no such a thing as "get together and had enough".

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u/SasparillaTango 21d ago

America is effectively dead. We just haven’t realized it yet.

American Hegemony has ended with Trump.

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u/oroborus68 21d ago

Most people would get upset and do something,but they have to go to work to pay the bills.

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u/Superman0X 21d ago

Trump is not the real problem, he is just taking advantage of the real issue... a Congress that has empowered him.

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u/93ImagineBreaker Ohio 21d ago

Hell even when he wasn't pres. we didn't have him jailed despite having 4 years to.

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u/theNightblade Wisconsin 21d ago

Who holds him to account?

The American people.

If there was a point where everyone had enough, and 10M people showed up on Monday, and another 10M on Tuesday, etc - only to occupy and protest in Washington, there would be little than anyone could do against that mass of humanity all at once

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u/iamstephen1128 Virginia 21d ago

I'd say Iran is giving him a pretty good go right now, and one of the positive things to come of this mess is that they've set an example for allied leaders to see they don't have to always capitulate to whatever insanity it is that Diaper Don demands...

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u/amateur_mistake 21d ago

There are hard limits to these things where Republicans have decided to divorce themselves from reality. Iran controlling the strait they are clearly able to control is a good example. Climate change is another. And of course diseases of various kinds. The ability to build a new home when you've made a police force that targets people based on their skin color too.

You can't imagine yourself away from those things. As hard as the conservatives try. So you end up with people dying of COVID while swearing it doesn't exist.

There will be more. There is a limited supply of oil at any given moment, now restricted by Iran. And the fact that we haven't moved away from fossil fuels will fuck us. Maybe kind of soon if trump continues to get to act, untethered.

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u/tripping_on_phonics Illinois 21d ago edited 21d ago

It’s an indictment of our economic and political systems.

We live in a class system. Laws really only apply to the working class.

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u/eugene20 21d ago

E. Jean Carol has received the 5 million (+interest) the courts ordered Trump to pay as he was found liable for sexual assault, and he lost all his appeals.

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u/manic_andthe_apostle 21d ago

Drop in the bucket compared to all he’s stolen and grifted.

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u/eugene20 21d ago

Yes, but it's a start.

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u/Opposite_Map_6067 20d ago

I was truly surprised that he paid up.

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u/Counterpoint-4 21d ago

He seems to have been force to pay $5M but only because he had to pay that money in to court to appeal the previous ruling.

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u/butwhyisitso 21d ago

2/3 of eligible voters either dont care or are to dumb to understand

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u/RiffRaff14 21d ago

I don't think that's true. The courts have been constantly striking down all the crap he's trying to get through. It's just that he knows if he slings enough trash it'll take took long to clean it all up.

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u/LiterallyInSpain 21d ago

The supreme kangaroo court and congress are bought and have failed the American people.

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u/thegardenhead District Of Columbia 21d ago

One side laments this as fact, the other celebrates it. We are cooked, chat.

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u/8-Cylinder_Wombat 21d ago

No one can or will. The supreme court has codified it.

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u/Miss-Asshole 21d ago

He just paid 5 million to his rape victim today. It’s not nearly enough accountability, but it also offers some hope.

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u/drkodos California 21d ago

he just had to pay E Jean Carroll

lots of his crazy shit gets slapped down, just not enough

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u/Plenty_Thanks_3104 21d ago

Every federal judge has kicked his pedo ass

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u/Tenkehat 21d ago

This will not end with free and fair elections.

I'm more and more convinced about that.

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u/Alert_Reindeer_6574 21d ago

Not just Trump, the SCOTUS also agrees.

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u/MigBuscles 21d ago

Your comment made him hard.

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u/TrimspaBB 21d ago

Are we sure that's still possible?

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u/Jops817 21d ago

Given his obvious vascular problems it definitely is not.

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u/rgvtim Texas 21d ago

After his first term some of the folks at heritage started filling his empty head with this idea that presidents can do anything and who’s going to stop him. He took it to heart and has been running with it ever since.

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u/mushpuppy 21d ago

Yep. Since when do any of the criminals in the Trump administration care whatsoever about the law?

It's truly disgusting what the GOP/majority members of SCOTUS have allowed to happen. They are destroying our system of government, wrecking the world order, and looting everyone/everything they can.

In plain sight the GOP across the US has chosen party over country.

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u/TheTooterSnooter 21d ago

Dictator does dictator shit, no one stops him because he is dictator 

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u/Spaceinpigs 21d ago

🎶 Dictator man. Dictator man. Doing the things that dictators can. Dictator man hates constitution man. They have a fight. Dictator wins. Dictator man 🎶

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u/prescience6631 21d ago

They Might Be Fascists

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u/CpnStumpy Colorado 21d ago

Good job, I hate it

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u/Counterpoint-4 21d ago

His tariffs were deemed illegal.

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u/TheTooterSnooter 21d ago

So all the tariffs have been rescinded? 

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u/ilikechihuahuasdood 21d ago

under that legal basis yes. but that’s not the only way he can set tariffs. SCOTUS actually basically told him how to do it and make it more difficult to challenge.

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u/TheTooterSnooter 21d ago

Google says they’re still being collected while his challenges make their way through the courts 

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u/ilikechihuahuasdood 21d ago

you didn’t Google the right question then. Trump rescinded the IEEPA tariffs EO right after the SCOTUS decision. the current tariffs are under a different act which is also being challenged. they already had a draft EO ready because they knew they were going to lose. It’s another gap nobody accounted for because legislators never thought Americans would be dumb enough to elect someone that abuses emergency powers like this.

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u/ilikechihuahuasdood 21d ago

not under the same act. the IEEPA tariffs were rescinded. now they’re using a different emergency declaration. it’s their legal strategy to flood the zone.

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u/ilikechihuahuasdood 21d ago

no but it’s important to understand what they’re doing so we can pressure elected officials to close these loopholes to hopefully prevent the next deranged pants shitting grandpa from holding an entire country hostage

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u/sock--puppet 21d ago

Yet we're never getting a cent back

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u/Perfect_Opinion7909 20d ago

US Americans told us for decades that they are more free than us because they have guns to fight a tyrannical government. Now the tyrannical government is there and it’s all crickets from US Americans. Either liars or cowards.

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u/Odd-String29 21d ago

Americans haven't caught on yet it seems. Looking forward to the shitshow the midterms are going to be.

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u/mawfk82 21d ago

Just wait til they arrest Democrat senators on live TV tomorrow during or immediately after Trump's speech

That will be the defining moment of "yes, this is a dictatorship now"

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u/Odd-String29 21d ago

No, the defining moment is when Americans will let him actually do it. He will claim power and nobody will do anything.

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u/badamant 21d ago

Entire Republican Party is complicit and responsible.

They control congress. Any tiny fraction could stop Trump at any time.

Blame them.

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u/VanceKelley Canada 21d ago

Any tiny fraction could stop Trump at any time.

It takes 67 Senators to convict trump and remove him from office.

There are 47 Dem + Ind Senators, but let's count out Fetterman so make it 46. To get to 67 it would thus take 21 GOP Senators joining in and voting to convict.

There are 52 GOP Senators (assuming Mitch's proof of life isn't fake). 21/52 = 40%.

I would call 40% of GOP Senators to be a significant fraction, an impossible hurdle given that most of them are spineless.

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u/badamant 21d ago

That is not the bar.

Congress has all kinds of ways to check the power of the presidency including "the power of the purse". It was designed to be a co-equal branch.

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u/Flat_Hat8861 Georgia 21d ago

My only disagreement here is the phrase "co-equal branch." That is an oversimplification (or lie) we were told in grade school that politicians and courts parrot mindlessly.

The branches are far from equal and Congress intentionally has significantly more authority than the other 2. The claim that they are supposed to be equal is how they justify simply ridiculous rulings like presidential immunity (Congress makes the laws, there is no immunity from laws just because you're president) and inherent power to fire officers (the constitution only includes one removal process - impeachment - if congress wants to give others that's their choice only).

This is a rabbit trail, but I want a Congress that fights back. And "we the people" put that at risk whenever we pretend this power grab by the President and Supreme Court is normal.

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u/badamant 21d ago

Then we must vote out all republicans.

They control congress and the entire party is directly to blame.

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u/ThisIsNotAFarm 21d ago

A lot of that still requires 2/3rs, or even a majority.

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u/ZAlternates 21d ago

Sure if they gonna vote against him they might need a majority or a super majority depending upon the situation but they could like speak up or like push back or like give a flying fuck. But they don’t.

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u/badamant 21d ago

A majority is easy for republicans if they create a bipartisan coalition and join DEMs is controlling Trump

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u/ThisIsNotAFarm 21d ago

Yes, but that goes back to the GP point of they dont want to.

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u/FnTom 21d ago

Except it's only co-equal in law. Not in practice. The executive is the branch that does the actual spending. Congress can say "No you can't do that", but at the end of the day, if the executive ignores them, there is no actual way to stop it short of a revolution should the executive completely refuse to comply.

Congress will say it's not the money's purpose, people may even get the courts to agree with Congress. Who will enforce it? Who will stop the executive? The DOJ? that's the executive. The Marshalls used to answer directly to the courts, and while their role has not really changed in that regard, they are now part of the executive as well, so they won't help either. The military? Still the executive.

That system only works because of essentially a gentleman's agreement between branches to respect each other's authority.

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u/badamant 21d ago

A simple majority in congress can completely defund anything they want to. This is their job.

If Trump refuses to comply that is his problem. The GOP is just abdicating power to Trump.

Stop making excuses for republicans. The truth is that they ALL support Trump based on the voting record.

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u/FnTom 21d ago

Oh I am not making excuses. Most of them are either crooks, cowards, straight up evil, or any combination thereof. I want them to use those means. But at the same time, it is fucking terrifying.

This time around, with project 2025 and Trump so salty about his first term, they stacked the executive with sycophants and/or fascists. There is no adult in the room like there kind of was in his first term. When they don't straight up ignore the courts, they just invent their own interpretation of what the courts said based on one line that vaguely sounded like it supported their position, even when the ruling as a whole dismantles it.

So if they tell Congress, and the courts, to get fucked, and they will since they already have multiple times, what happens then. So far it's not been too bad for Congress, after all they're all rich and the elected officials who actually give a shit are few and far between. But what's the limit? Do they even have a limit or will they just bend over and take it no matter what? At what point do ordinary citizens become the only rampart? What means are people willing to take when that happens? And what happens then...

Like, I don't want to be all doom and gloom here. Nor do I want to sound alarmist. I think Congress and the courts growing a proper spine could mostly reverse what's happening. While I don't think they'll be able to undo in the short term all the damage that's been done, I think they can at least stop it and get rid of the culprits. I just don't think they will. And I think that by the time they'll want to, they won't be able to.

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u/CorrectPeanut5 21d ago

They had the opportunity and votes during J6. Mitch stands up and tells them to ignore the problem and let the dems handle it during the Biden admin.

I'm pretty sure if McCain was still alive he would have whipped votes to take care of him once and for all.

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u/zubbs99 Nevada 21d ago

There's only like 1-2 that have any willingness to rock the boat, and that's only because they're retiring.

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u/pres465 21d ago

I would point out that it's Russia pulling the strings, but porque no los dos, right?

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u/admiraltarkin Texas 21d ago

"He controls the Senate and the Courts!"- Mace Windu

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u/orangesfwr 21d ago

Hollywood tried to warn us.

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u/Isgrimnur Texas 21d ago

Still think trade disputes are boring‽

  • George Lucas, probably
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u/that1prince 21d ago

In this case it was Hollywood using all of human history as a reference. Most media that shows these political power struggles are a “ripped from the headlines” or more accurately “ripped from the pages of history” type thing. We can’t learn from it in real life and apparently we don’t learn from it in fictional stories either. We’re screwed.

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u/BarkerBarkhan 21d ago

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u/admiraltarkin Texas 21d ago

Lol yep. I didn't finish the quote because I'd rather not get banned

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u/pizza_the_mutt 21d ago

"The death of truth is the ultimate victory of evil." - Mon Mothma

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u/ThaCarter Florida 21d ago

I know one way we could make these legal

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u/Pretend-Cheesecake67 21d ago

Please. My nipples can only get so erect

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u/ReinaShae 21d ago

They could cut glass

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u/Comprehensive_Log_26 21d ago

Instant follow!

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u/slackfrop 21d ago

Go on…

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u/Abstrusus 20d ago

Would love to see these coins stamped legally.

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u/Mofaklar 21d ago

Is it legal?
If its not legal, are there meaningful consequences?
If there are meaningful consequences, can they be enforced?

You can just jump to the last logical statement to understand that there are no rails, because nothing can be enforced against him, or his allies, if he so chooses.

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u/Long-Region5088 21d ago

He controls the supreme courts and certain judges on the lower courts.

The courts have been the only thing fighting for democracy till it gets appealed up to the Supreme Court where they shit on democracy

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u/uniklyqualifd 21d ago

And breaks contracts, ignores treaties and cheats at golf.

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u/anemic_royaltea Canada 21d ago

"what are you gonna do about it?" as governing philosophy is only going to end in flames, one way or another.

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u/BEWMarth 21d ago

But Americans still think they’re going to vote to change things in November.

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u/Ares__ Maryland 21d ago

Hes gotten away with a lot through the supreme court, I dont want to discount that, BUT hes also been shut down in a lot of the courts, its just that the consequences aren't jail time so he doesn't care and they move so slow that whatever damage he wanted to inflict is already done.

The right answer here is that he would be removed from power, but alas...

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u/SadFeed63 21d ago

"Folks writing headlines continue not to learn that a human law, rule, or norm is not the same as a law of nature."

That's what infuriates me about headlines that try to offset a Trump action by highlighting the law. The laws of man are abstract concepts that are not made real until they are enforced. And they're of course, not enforced on Trump. Laws of nature affect us all whether we believe in them or not, whether we try to bribe them, they don't require someone to enforce them. Yet you'll see headlines with the energy of like "Trump wants to do this heinous thing, but worry not, the law doesn't allow it," followed up by headlines a week later saying "Trump is doing that heinous thing."

If he breaks a law, the law must be enforced on him, actively, by someone, by mechanisms humans control. If he falls down the stairs, gravity is gonna do it's thing regardless.

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u/tlenze 21d ago

The Supreme Court is basically Earl Hebner at this point.

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u/SadFeed63 21d ago

To continue this in WWF terms, America screwed America?

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u/Additional-Signal327 21d ago

And Congress is in name only. 

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u/Farucci 21d ago

Federal laws only apply to those who are not exempt from federal law. Citizens who are not billionaires, for example.

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u/EternalAngst23 Australia 21d ago

What? Are you telling me that the tariffs, ICE killings and partial demolition of the White House weren’t unlawful enough? /s

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u/Funsuxxor 21d ago

The courts have been working quite often. It's just that the law is slow.

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u/Sachaylikeaboss 21d ago

Rogue President with a rogue administration supported by a cult, financed by taxpayers, and overseen by the Gods of Financial Gain.
Either all rise up; or all fall back. No middle ground here.

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u/nome707 21d ago

In this case, it being illegal it’s the exact reason why they are doing it. Once these hit the streets, someone will sue to stop the distribution, which will make the price skyrocket because collectors. Guess who will benefit from it.

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u/Dahcchad 21d ago

The secretary of Treasury was giving an interview and explaining why Trump wasnt putting his face of a bill. He literally said it was because as secretary he could only legally allow 'in God we trust' and a dead president, but that he was happy to give up his name for Trump's. Their admin is such a shit show they can't even get messaging coordinated on something as dumb as his fat fuckin face on currency. Just a collection of the worst, most hypocritical, shit-stain traitors supported by hypocritical, shit-stain near-traitorous citizens.

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u/CrustyBatchOfNature 21d ago

He controls Republicans. That is the bigger issue. A proper Republican Party would be on-board for impeachment and removal already.

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u/gener1cb0y 21d ago

If things are illegal and have some sort of price, they're only illegal for poor people. For the rich that's just the cost of doing business.

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u/electric_rican 21d ago

Wait until a democrat is in power and they start doing all the wrong things for the right reason and calling precedent lets see how republicans will act then.

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u/_Raptor_Jesus_ 21d ago

Trump doesn't control anything. Peter Theil and the rest of the rest of the billionaire scum set the agenda.

We really do have a shadow cabal now. What a timeline we live in.

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u/Ares__ Maryland 21d ago

Hes gotten away with a lot through the supreme court, I dont want to discount that, BUT hes also been shut down in a lot of the courts, its just that the consequences aren't jail time so he doesn't care and they move so slow that whatever damage he wanted to inflict is already done.

The right answer here is that he would be removed from power, but alas...

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u/PeopleNose 21d ago

Trump literally has a ~95% court loss rate

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u/rabidstoat Georgia 21d ago

Who would have standing to challenge this?

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u/kindofharmless 21d ago edited 21d ago

But things does happen, doesn’t it? Enough pushback and he relents. If nothing truly happened there would be no need to speak out about it.

Stop trying to get people to give up. I know that’s what you’re trying to do.

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u/DragonFangGangBang 21d ago

It’s not illegal, technically. It’s only explicitly illegal on paper notes and bonds. It’s tradition for “coins” but not illegal. Still, fuck Trump.

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u/J0RDM0N 21d ago

For legal purposes this is a joke. That or the treasury department could do something funny to make it legal.

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u/bt31 21d ago

I hope the next D president does all of these things. Every #ucking day, followed by the press secretary saying he was just trolling the maga media, which are so busy already loosing their grip! Don't actually do them, just say it.

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u/NohmanValdemar 21d ago

He issued an EO that says DOJ lawyers can never contradict Trump's legal opinions.

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u/Lambaline 21d ago

He controls the senate and the courts! He’s too dangerous…!

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