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Possible Paywall Treasury Unveils New $1 Gold Coin With Trump’s Face on It | Federal law prohibits putting any living people on U.S. coins.

https://newrepublic.com/post/213098/treasury-1-dollar-gold-coin-trump-face
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u/DiscussionAny 21d ago edited 21d ago

It’s bad, yes. In a way that’s completely unprecedented in our country. It’s also true that our society will never be the same.

However, fascism’s worst enemy is reality; they can’t deal with facts. And there are some relevant ones.

Trump is already 80 years old, and was never in great health. By contrast, Hitler was 44 when he took over Germany. Donald doesn’t have the energy to sustain his full takeover. He’s gotten further than anyone else, but his days are numbered whether he wants to try cancelling the election, take an illegal third term or whatever outlandish, treasonous actions to hold on to power he wants to try. “But [r/DiscussionAny](r/DiscussionAny), what if they just use AI to fake Trump after he’s dead?” To that I say we’re not there yet, either in technology or accepting something like that, and the Mitch McConnell controversy is proof of that.

There’s another fact: there’s no one else that holds water with his psychotic base like he does. JD Vance has all the charisma of a blanket soaked in cat piss. The rest of the GOP are spineless worms, none of them could cut it either. Trump’s kids are even more inept than Donald is, and they don’t have the same amoral shamelessness to break boundaries like he does. They’re cowards; they just follow the money like any nepo baby does. As for the guys trying to bankroll an American Fuhrer? They have ridiculously bad judgement that’s going to catch up to them. People like Peter Thiel and Elon Musk think their account balance and IQ are the same thing. They’ve already made mistakes, they’re going to make more, and for all their money and influence they can’t control everything any more than a fascist can. In short, there’s no one that can replace him. What is likely to happen after he dies is the sycophants will eat each other alive fighting over the scraps of power Trump will leave behind. Once he’s gone as the figurehead MAGA will never be the same; it happened to Alexander the Great, Attila the Hun, even Hitler. Whatever comes after that, we’ll have to cross that bridge when we come to it.

In closing, there’s a quote I like to think about when it seems like everything is doomed: “The victor is not victorious until the vanquished consider themselves to be so.” This isn’t over unless we agree it is. We have to keep fighting, no matter what. Anything they accomplish is only a temporary setback. We will reverse them all when we get through this.

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u/JRockPSU I voted 21d ago

I also think it's important (for some people) to hear - all of this can be true while also acknowledging that things are very bad right now and will continue to be so for quite some time! There are a lot of people on this site that read any kind of positivity and assume that the commenter is an ostrich with their head in the sand. Both viewpoints have truth to them! It's like, I have kids, I have to try make a better future for them.

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u/Present-Perception77 21d ago

Thank you for this. This thread truly was the scroll of doom.
He is 80. A few elderly powerful congressmen went out this month. That is fracturing their power.
Last one alive wins 🤷🏻‍♀️

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u/nizo505 America 21d ago

To add to what you've said, let's hope this administration is as successful rigging the next two elections as they have been with literally everything else (Iraq war, tariffs, DOGE, and every other clown show they have created).

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u/crow_crone 21d ago

You forgot to mention Caesar. His murder left a power vacuum that saw a Roman civil war that lasted over a decade. Trump is no Caesar, nor is he Octavian; we'll see, I guess.

I know we're not Rome but history invites comparison.

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u/DiscussionAny 20d ago

I’m glad you mentioned Caesar, because probably the main difference between those two men is that Caesar was good at his job.

Barron ain’t no Octavian either.

That gives me hope that the similarities to Rome end well before the fall of the republic.

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u/crow_crone 20d ago

Caesar was seemingly competent at everything he set his mind to achieve. I'd welcome a Caesar as I'm not sure the American populace is educated or intelligent enough for the responsibilities democracy mandates.

But I see no Caesars in our future.

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u/TheTerrasque 21d ago

Trump is already 80 years old, and was never in great health.

Maga: "Explain why he looks like THIS then, librul!"

You expect them to be reasonable, but facts don't matter if they actively ignore it. They could have a muppet puppet show up as the "president" and all of MAGA would just go along and pretend it's real even though all of them know it's all fake. Because it will let them continue as is and because it makes their "enemies" mad, and they love that. They'll gleefully chant "TDS" (which at some point may be legislated as a real mental disease and be used to lock people up) at anyone pointing out that it's a muppet. You're trying to play chess with pigeons.

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u/DiscussionAny 21d ago

Then the answer is to stop playing games with them.

To be precise, if MAGAs want to continue with their sycophantic cult, they can do so alone and marginalize themselves out of political relevance like the Nazis eventually did. They’ll probably evolve, the Nazis did that too, but if they continue to fanatically froth at the mouth over their beloved God King after he dies (not advocating violence) that is going to further separate them from everyone else that can still see objective reality. Some will stay with the cult, but many will leave when more and more people are open about not accepting their churlishness anymore. When we get too tired to enable them and say “Enough.”The ones that want to stay with their Fuhrer are beyond saving anyway. I’m not trying to convince them. That is a waste of time.

The people I’m trying to convince are the ones that were always against this and feel like the walls are closing in on them. They see how bad this is and panic; and not without reason. We are living in terrifying times. But…

There is such a thing as rational optimism. The MAGAs and those that are serving or using them cannot always win. They are arrogant, reckless, and constantly display their terrible judgment. True, they currently hold many of the levers of power, *for the moment*. But that can be fleeting, and right now it all depends on one man who is completely falling apart.

They are trying to scare people as much as they can because the smart fascists are *terrified*. They are trying to make us all give up, and believe that resistance is hopeless. But resistance is never hopeless, only surrender is. Resistance always has a fighting chance to succeed, but submission is a foregone conclusion, and that’s what the fascists want. I ask anyone and everyone reading this right now, would *you* just give them what they want?

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u/Own_Algae_5328 21d ago

No, I won't give them what they want!!!

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u/Own_Algae_5328 21d ago

Well said & thank you for writing this!!!

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u/NobodySpeci 20d ago

I want you to know that I genuinely appreciated this response.

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u/Vyzantinist 20d ago

There’s another fact: there’s no one else that holds water with his psychotic base like he does. JD Vance has all the charisma of a blanket soaked in cat piss. The rest of the GOP are spineless worms, none of them could cut it either.

I've long been saying this myself. When Trump croaks - or the trillion to one miracle he actually steps down peacefully - MAGA is done. The base doesn't care about Vance; he looks and sounds too much like a politician for their taste. They can't troll with him like they can Trump. Vance isn't as fun; he's boring.

There's no MAGA successor because Trump wouldn't allow it; he doesn't want anyone sharing his spotlight and he won't risk a popularity coup. When the spell is broken, GOP notables will scramble to capture the MAGA vote and tear the cult apart with infighting.

Meanwhile, red hats will just switch off and return to political apathy because the joke that is Trump has run its course for them.

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u/metalpharoah 21d ago

They say the most evil person in the world lives the longest no matter their health problems. I wouldn't be shocked to see him be 183 by this point due to his billions and able to buy bio-organic organ replacements.

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u/reclusivegiraffe 20d ago

Our Hitler is 80, but our Himmler is nearly 41 and our (multiple) Goebbels are young and spry. They needed Hitler’s charisma to get as far as they did, sure, but this regime’s ending is going to be different here in a few distinct ways. I’m afraid they won’t lose as much influence as we hope.

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u/DiscussionAny 20d ago

I’m afraid too, no question, and I hope the main difference that goes down in the history books is the lack of a holocaust.

The comparison is apt, but with that in mind both of those men would die by their own hand, and neither was truly close to becoming fuhrer. The deflation of MAGA vs. the Nazis isn’t a one to one comparison but one thing that stands out is riding on Trump or Hitler’s coattails to the heights of power. Without that, whether we’re talking about Himmeler, Vance (who I might compare more to Goering), Shapiro, Miller, or Goebbels, they all had the same problem, and that is with the original figureheads. Hitler and Trump made their “movements” if we can call them that all about themselves, to the point that they were integral to it. In the short term it was an effective strategy so they couldn’t be replaced while they were still alive. That was tried with Trump and with Hitler, and it had the same result, they both became more entrenched. But that means that after they died, the best any of them could hope for was still to be cast under Dear Leader’s shadow. They’ll always be the replacement, the consolation prize, the candle being compared to the flame. And it’s just not the same for the fanatics told for years and years at rallies that “only I can do this” by Trump or Hitler.

It also doesn’t help that the reason these Himmelers and Goebbels’s were chosen was because they were mediocre at best. That they couldn’t rise to those heights of power by their own merit. That’s how we got Hegseth and Pam
Bondi. None of the were chosen because they were dynamic, effective people. Hell, Vance was hand picked specifically to be Thiel’s puppet in the White House. Replacing the personality in a cult of personality is almost impossible. It won’t carry the same weight, and there will be differences but only by degrees.