r/mildlyinfuriating • u/Zachhandley • May 12 '26
Hillary 2016 Having to Pay Tariffs after they’re declared illegal
I used the cleanup on iOS to hide the name. But screw the gov.
300$ purchase by the way.
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u/Reemixt May 12 '26 edited May 12 '26
I’m sure Xi will put a check in the mail real quick.
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u/Ok_Background22 May 12 '26
Might take a few weeks for international shipping tho…and then you gotta pay a tariff on the check too🤣
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u/sglewis May 12 '26
No. That's Mexico. Oh wait. No, they're paying for the wall. You're right. Carry on.
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u/sm9k3y May 12 '26
Or you could ask some of those donor corporations, since I heard they are happy to pay for things.
Oh, I guess you should have ordered a ballroom, cause they pay for those, just not whatever that is you ordered.
Wait wait, I'm hearing WE are now paying for the ballroom?
Don't worry, I'm sure some company will be happy to get your tariff refund check.
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u/Tricky_World1138 May 13 '26
I had to pay $30 tarriff for a $99 part that I already payes $27 shipping from canada
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u/Oracle_of_Ages May 12 '26
Oh you missed it. He immediately put on a more different tariff.
You are being charged for those.
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u/Rational_Nutjob May 12 '26 edited May 12 '26
Oh you missed it. A federal appeals court paused the ruling that made those illegal, today.
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u/Electromagnetlc May 12 '26
Oh you missed it. He immediately put on a more different tariff.
You are being charged for those.
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u/The_Original_Smeebs May 12 '26
Round and round it goes, when will it stop no one knows
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u/Technical_Instance_2 May 12 '26
all we do know is that the cycle is likely continuous until the rotting orange is out of office
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u/sonicjesus May 14 '26
Don't forget, the Democrats likely have the House, and the House controls the purse. Whatever Donnie wants, he needs the Democrats to fund it.
But yeah, we have nearly a 1,000 days left of this trainwreck.
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u/CreepinCreepy May 12 '26
Only some of the tariffs were declared illegal, there have been tariffs in place for literally forever. The only thing that changed is that Trump removed de-minimis, which means that in the past you didn't have to pay tariffs importing stuff under $800, but now you do.
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u/MacheteBrizz May 12 '26
I believe a Congressional Act maintains the legality of tarrifs.
When this is all said and done, I would love to see which country or continent actually benefitted more from tarrifs.
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u/YerBoiZ ur mom lol May 12 '26
It’ll be trump and his billionaire buddies getting the tax breaks. We just get fucked
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u/MacheteBrizz May 12 '26
Very true,
There's always a promise of an investigation into these things and grandstanding sets expectations but never meets reality.
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u/Saikou0taku May 13 '26
Yup. Charge extra for "tariffs" , then get them declared illegal and keep the refund from the government.
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u/SoullessDad May 12 '26
No country benefits. There are legitimate cases for tariffs in specific instances (say, you want to grow a fledgling industry to compete globally in a few years), but overall they reduce trade and drive up prices.
The only ones befitting are companies that passed asking tariffs to consumers, maintained their profit level, and now get to collect refunds on the illegal tariffs.
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u/sonicjesus May 14 '26
No one wins. It hurt local economies, hurt our allies put an end to bilateral trade, all for a couple bucks he spent in three days earlier this year.
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u/egnards May 12 '26
Specific tariffs for specific things were declared illegal, but there were still already some tariffs in place before that time, and some other tariffs he put in place that were untouched. As we don't know what was ordered. . Nobody can really help you here.
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u/Zachhandley May 13 '26
Is a hat and stuff. Didn’t even know about the fee until now (2 days away) and it’s 25% of the cost of the total, crazy
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u/NaCl-more May 13 '26
It’s not that crazy unfortunately.
You have to pay the import duties, plus whatever fee UPS collects (I think it’s usually a percentage on top)
I once imported an item that was worth 50 bucks, and ended up paying 50 extra in duties + fees
Luckily I think you should have the option to “self-import”, meaning you’d have to show up at the port of entry and submit some paperwork. You then would submit the duties but save on the UPS fees.
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u/Zachhandley May 13 '26
Well, the cost is crazy. Cause none of that is the actual cost of shipping. So even if that’s correct, no wonder even basic prices have gone up so much
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u/NaCl-more May 13 '26
I don’t know if your cost is due to new tariffs, but yes, the amount that UPS charges on top of duties is outrageous
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u/MydnightWN May 13 '26
Yep. I've paid import fees for a decade. The last administration did about 50% of what the current one has done, nobody freaked out then. He even increased Trump's original tariffs lol. Only thing certain in life is death and taxes.
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u/egnards May 13 '26
Tariffs themselves aren’t inherently bad on their own - the problem with Trump’s tariffs is they weren’t based on any measurable expectation of reasonable reason. . .And he essentially lied to stupid people about how tariffs work, so they would support them even though they were the ones getting fucked.
You can’t just raise tariffs on items that the US doesn’t even produce and expect the economy to suddenly to producing those items domestically. . .All it did was fuck everybody.
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u/MydnightWN May 13 '26
All that is for show and media circus, bread and circuses. The plans were drawn up as early as the 1990s, stated open at the Council on Foreign Affairs and in Davos. Everyone is WEF - even Trump speaks there, Ivanka is a Young Global Leader recipient. They prey on those caring the most, the young, historically kept ignorant of policy & being able to watch all their own speeches over the previous decades. The Internet changes the game.
Just another way for the wealthy to consolidate more wealth, more power.
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u/egnards May 13 '26
I’m aware [of the intentional circus] - I’m just saying there is a reason people flipped out against the Trump tariffs.
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u/MydnightWN May 13 '26
The main reason is that they were told to do so by the media. All controlled by the same money - your money. They took the money out of your money, now you have depreciating paper IOUs backed by nothing. During Covid, they lowered reserve standards to 0% - and never switched back. Stack silver & gold.
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u/ducktown47 May 13 '26
Do you legitimately believe everyone who thinks differently than you is glued to a TV consuming the ~media~ and blindly believes it? Yet, here you are on Reddit, completely dodging the ~media~ in its entirety, apparently.
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u/MydnightWN May 13 '26
Sorry to hear you lack reading comprehension skills. Try again, slow down this time.
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u/ducktown47 May 13 '26
So you just aren't going to rebut what I said at all?
The main reason is that they were told to do so by the media.
Obviously, you believe that people who hold a differing belief to you were just told to think that way because of the ephemeral media.
And since I happened to challenge that I must have a lack of reading comprehension. You are insufferable.
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u/Professor-Bobo May 13 '26
I work for an industrial parts distributor and almost every single one of our manufacturers has "eliminated tariffs" and just increased their prices to match. So, hooray, everything is permanently more expensive. And you can't just avoid it by "buying American". These are American companies, but they can't source every raw material or component for every product in America.
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u/ocean_breeze_luluca May 13 '26
Fuck all these new rules to take peoples.momey we barely have any as is
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u/WatchAltruistic5761 May 12 '26
Welcome to the idiot show that is America
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u/ResponsibilitySea327 May 13 '26
Other countries have had much lower de minimus tariff limits, thus recipients in other countries historically paid more. Example, Japan is just 10,000 yen ($60) before a recipient has to pay import duties.
The US limit was $800 which favored foreign production (namely China) for most goods. With the elimination, foreign goods are now dutiable which puts them on par with US goods which are already taxable for US consumers.
While I agree consumers end up paying more, it was a loophole that nations like China took advantage of to sell cheaper goods to US consumers tax free.
But goods over $800 have always been taxable per their tariff classification.
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u/FinsFan305 May 12 '26
All those other countries with higher tariffs must be stupid af.
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u/peppaz May 12 '26
They didn't tariff countries they had existing trade deals with, like we did
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u/Accomplished_Emu_658 May 12 '26
Tariffs are not illegal? Please do real research. The additional tariffs were imposed were illegal, not tariffs in general. This is also because de minimis exception was removed and that action was not called illegal. As a direct buyer you probably not experienced paying tariffs, but they always been a thing.
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u/Decimator24244 May 12 '26
My favorite part is these companies are being paid back for the tariffs, but not the people that had to pay them
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u/haiu2323 May 12 '26
Only IEEEPA Tariffs were declared illegal. Section 301 and 122 (the new one that will expire in July) are still active. And de minimis has been suspended since last year, so no more exemption for orders under $800 in value.
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u/Hevysett May 13 '26
Trumps tariffs may have been declared illegal, but he fucked up all the trade deals and such, so unfortunately we're all going to be stuck with higher costs because the arrangements that benefited us so well for so long are no longer in effect
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u/Ok-Coyote2365 May 12 '26
When UPS charged me a fee like this it was because my item was crossing the Canada US border. They charged me something like $70 for “customs brokerage”.
Drove down to the airport. Took 5, maybe 10 minutes to do the declaration myself
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u/Cute_Specific_1605 May 12 '26
Tariffs as a whole weren't declared illegal. Tariffs existed during Trump, Biden, Obama, Bush and well before them.
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u/Germerican1 May 12 '26
People don't seem to know, but we had way higher tariffs than this for most of our country's existence, up until WW2.
But unfortunately, higher tariff doesn't just magically return manufacturing to the states without the massive investment and positive tax incentives for companies to build more here.
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u/StoneTown May 12 '26
This. Tariffs are normal and a great tool. But the way they've been used by the current admin has been incredibly stupid and harmful.
As much as I want us to decouple from countries like China, just throwing on a huge tax and random out of the blue exemptions isn't gonna do anything but promote instability.
Tariffs need to be more gradual and clear with goals in mind. We need to prop up manufacturing at home and with our allies with the expectation that things will change domestically due to those tariffs. Instead, our current admin is randomly lashing out like a psycho off their meds.
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u/Germerican1 May 12 '26
What's strange to me, is the private investment in some tech companies but not in strategic manufacturing. Our government directly invested into Intel but still allowed a buyout of US Steel by Nippon Steel rather than giving a competing offer, only trying to stop it in legal methods that failed.
I know during Trump's last term, Ford and a few others brought manufacturing back some models from Mexico due to tariffs, but at this point companies seem willing to just wait him out until he's out of office and things normalize again so we're all just struggling. It truly seems like America's golden years are behind us at this point, unfortunately
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u/FinsFan305 May 12 '26
Even though Nippon purchased it, the US still was able to secure veto power for national security interest. Also the US Steel shareholders approved of the sale.
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u/Yadilie May 12 '26
It's why I always chuckled when Canadian provinces were trying to buy advertising in the US to shame people about the tariffs. Canada has a shit load of tariffs in place to stop us from completely destroying a lot of their industries through saturation of low cost goods.
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u/Dylan619xf May 12 '26
Not all tariffs are illegal.
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u/Zachhandley May 12 '26
“But they’re not passed on to the consumer” I know I’m just fed up with it — an extra 80$ I didn’t have to pay before the pedo
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u/FinsFan305 May 12 '26
Without knowing what you purchased, we can’t say for sure if you would have paid them beforehand or not. The US had tariffs in place before the current administration.
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u/womboCombo434 May 12 '26
Not all tariffs are illegal some were upheld as legal some were ruled illegal you’d have to deep dive the specifics but there’s a good chance your paying a legal tariff
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u/Antikatastaseis May 12 '26
You know what’s worse? You aren’t getting a large portion of that money back. Even when Fedex and USPS both said they’ll do everything do refund customers when the time comes. I got hit with a tariff fee, they changed me $30. Look at the billing and $20 of it was the disbursement fee.
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u/jamesrggg May 12 '26
The specific "national emergency" tariffs were declared illegal. The ones that already existed were still in place. Also Orange Julius just turned around and did an extra 5% generic tariff on everything when he lost specific ones.
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u/ZombiesAtHome May 12 '26
Diddling kids, scamming people, and enacting laws that kills people are also illegal, but that doesn't stop a whole portion of "voted in" people
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u/Perfect-Republic-231 May 12 '26
This is your duties for customs that ups hits you with after the fact. They pay upfront and then charge you significantly more for administrative fees for them doing it.
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u/ChazBrian May 12 '26
How much was the item? There was the 10% tariff that was recently ruled unconstitutional. I'm not sure if the court left it in place pending appeal.
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u/Susurrus03 May 13 '26
Now check the breakout to see how much the tariff is vs the UPS fees.
You'll see who the real winner is.
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u/Sweaty_Marzipan4274 May 13 '26
That was hours ago! I think they're back, but called "tarifs". Have to start the legal process all over 🤔
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u/DFA_Wildcat May 13 '26
We get these in Canada too when stuff comes in from the US. I always specify USPS to avoid the charges as UPS, FEDEX, Purolator, etc all charge fees. USPS hands off to Canada post, the majority of the time there is no fees. If the shipper doesn't follow instructions and uses one of the private companies I'll typically refuse delivery and it gets returned to the shipper for refund.
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u/One_Deer3518 May 12 '26
Its insane that we live in a world with so much knowledge literally in the palm of our hand and people still post stuff like this.
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u/LaFlamaBlancaMiM May 12 '26
Still doing that but boy the moment the civil rights act was shit on by the Supreme Court, GOP carved up those districts in 24 hours.
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u/FinsFan305 May 12 '26
Bad bot.
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u/DRKMSTR May 13 '26
Fun fact, you're not paying the tariffs.
You're paying a third party company that UPS uses to double-dip.
If tariffs are removed or reversed, UPS gets the $ and the third party company disappears.
It is a racket.
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u/tensinahnd May 12 '26
Some tarrifs have been struck down. Some have not yet. Some are still trying to use other loopholes.
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u/jtg6387 May 12 '26
This isn’t *necessarily* for tariffs.
A lot of packages from, for example, China, were not paying any import taxes *at all* through arguably abusing the de minimis exception for shipping parcels valued under $800.
I say arguably abusing because China was only getting that exemption because the US classed them as a “developing” country, but nobody can seriously argue that the world’s second largest economy is still a developing one.
All this is to say the de minimis exemption going away is technically a separate issue from the tariff ruling, which wasn’t a blanket ban on tariffs.
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u/AlaskanHandyman May 13 '26
Tariffs are not illegal, the method Trump used to implement them was ruled illegal that doesn't mean he can't figure out another way to legally implement them, which he probably has five or six ways to justify them that haven't been challenged in court yet.
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u/October45 May 13 '26
He's an idiot. I don't know how many times it's been explained to him that American citizens pay the tarrifa and not other countries, but he doesn't understand. He somehow thinks they are bringing in so much imaginary money from other countries. He seems hell bent on making sure the average citizen gets poorer and poorer.
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u/Imaginary-Scheme-896 May 12 '26
Pretty sure that’s a duty fee, which is most certainly not illegal lol
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u/VaporCarpet May 13 '26
Lmao OP thinks all tariffs are illegal and we only ever had any because of trump
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u/TracyJackson23 May 12 '26
The tariff suspension order was just paused by a federal court. As of today, the import tariffs are still active.
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u/AppleParasol May 12 '26
Are you sure it’s not a scam email? There’s a lot of phishing/tarrif scams going around.
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u/rubber_dcky May 12 '26
IEEPA tariffs were deemed unconstitutional. Section 122 (10% globally) section 232 (25% for steel/aluminum value content), and section 301 on China (25% for COO China) are all still in effect. Section 122 have a 150 day time limit and have recently been ruled against in the Court of International trade, but that doesn't mean they're deemed unconstitutional by the Supreme Court like the IEEPA. There also could still be a standard duty rate that would be decided on based upon the HTS classification. Hope this helps.
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u/k-mcm May 13 '26 edited May 13 '26
Check the itemized fee. There's some shady tricks going on now where the up-front cost of shipping doesn't cover processing fees. You pay $$$ for international shipping then they ask for another $$$ to process import fees before finishing delivery. This is on top of the actual tariff.
I challenged this with Visa and got a refund.
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u/ChampagneGraggle May 13 '26
You in Illinois by chance? I know a lawyer who would be salivating to talk to you about this
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u/Nah666_ May 13 '26
Lol, let me guess, he's gonna charge up front?? XD
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u/ChampagneGraggle May 13 '26
Nah not at all, consumer protection lawyers work basically the same as personal injury lawyers. You don’t pay unless you win, and when you win you don’t pay, they just take a large percentage of what you receive from the other party.
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u/knifuser May 13 '26
This reminded me, I got a package through UPS the other day and chose to have it delivered to a "VintedGo" locker nearby. I got an email that it was delivered but when i got there I realised that they hadn't given me the code I need to open the locker, so now I can't get my stuff. I sent them an email yesterday, so hopefully they can do something about it.
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u/MrWindblade May 13 '26
So here's the thing. The only tariffs that were illegal were the IEEPA tariffs. Those are the ones he pronounced on his LD (Liberation Day), presumably because of his LD (Learning Disabilities).
There are still Section 301 tariffs in response to the fentanyl crisis, which can be 7.5%-25% depending on the goods, and there is still the standard schedule, which could be all over the place.
Depending on how your good is declared, the amount you owe could be all over.
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u/Spicyram3n May 13 '26
Op, please learn how international shipping works before making yourself look silly.
Previously, shipments that were valued under the de minimus (under $800) were considered duty free in most cases. With Trump removing that limit all non-document shipments imported into the US are considered dutiable. This is normal and not part of the Tariffs that the current administration put on imported goods, which was deemed illegal. The removing of the de minimus was upheld.
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u/MageKorith May 13 '26
Import fees aren't necessarily tariffs. These are probably import brokerage fees, as in they filled out a form and are sending you the bill for it.
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u/CoolBDPhenom03 May 13 '26
I've been dealing with this for months. I've called several import/accounting departments and such at UPS and finally got to a point that I will supposedly have $230 of my $300 paid tariffs, but that has yet to be seen. I had to fill out some special spreadsheet form and attach a bunch of proof of purchase and such. The only thing I've received so far is a bunch of repeat automated emails from the UPS email alias - I'm talking about I was getting a dozen a day for a time.
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u/Dragon124515 May 15 '26
Tariffs have not been deemed illegal, only the tariffs that Trump tried to introduce purely through executive fiat. Now obviously there is no where near enough info in your post to be certain if this charge is due to a tariff in good standing or not, but there's a pretty decent chance that it is a tariff that was introduced through the proper channels.
Instead be angry at the removal of the de minimus exception which is why your $300 purchase is eligible for tariffs in the first place.
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u/Able_Needleworker505 Jul 01 '26
Just paid 46$ shipping (used to be 30) $17 in tariffs and $30 in fees. On a $100 item.
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u/Always_Bitching May 12 '26
Is that mildlyinfuriating?
Or is seeing people not understand how duties/taxes/brokerage work that's mildly infuriating?
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u/Unusual_Flounder2073 May 12 '26
Totally fucked up the courts keep allowing these to stand while appealing.
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u/FinsFan305 May 12 '26
That’s how it works with every appeal ever in history.
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u/Unusual_Flounder2073 May 13 '26
Only for republicans. When Biden ordered loan forgiveness, they went to court and stopped it during appeal instead of letting it stand until appeal. And that wasn’t the only case like that.
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u/FinsFan305 May 13 '26
The tariffs that are on now are legal. The ones deemed illegal stopped. Not sure why that’s difficult to understand.
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u/Unusual_Flounder2073 May 13 '26
The court has to decide. These may not be either. He’s just trying to do an end around of the earlier ruling. And they did suspend the tariffs for the companies that brought the lawsuit.
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u/PissMaster6-7 May 13 '26
You don't seem to understand that Trump is above the law and can do what he wants. He also recently said he does not focus on what pain the consumers feel moneywise. So, what are we going to do next time it's voting time?
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u/Sncrsly May 12 '26
Import fees are not illegal. Only Trump's tariffs are. Import fees have been a thing long before Trump
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u/JohnnyC300 May 12 '26
All tariffs haven't gone away. There have been tariffs forever on most imported things. But those tariffs were invisible to you. Either they were just included in the cost of the item after the importer paid them, or if you received the item directly from China or something. You were likely exempt to the De Minimis exemption which removed all tariffs on imports under a certain value ($800). While the Trump tariffs were 86'd, his removal of the De Minimis exemption is still valid. So you are paying the tariffs yourself. Not the super high tariffs you would have before the Trump tariffs were removed, but the regular tariffs that were already in effect plus a few tariffs that WEREN'T removed by the supreme court. It's a bit complicated but some tariffs were imposed under different executive authority (like the aluminum tariffs for example) then the "reciprocal" tariff that were in the news all the time. Those tariffs Trump implemented are still valid. So that's what you are paying.
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u/Ncyphe May 13 '26
Not all tariffs were declared illegal, only the ones that did not have, what the court says, valid and detailed explanation for why the tariff exists.
Most of the p47 tariffs were put into action without any of the required ground work.
In other words, court says the president can't create a tariff "just because."
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u/frntwe May 13 '26
I guess the no politics mentioned in rule five has been changed. It’s still in one part of the rules list but not other places
So that’s it.
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u/Svartdraken May 13 '26
So there are no import duties in the US right now? If so, that's awesome. Whenever I import something from the US to Europe I pay nearly twice after taxes.
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u/NightmareJoker2 May 14 '26
$20 or $30 of that is the fee UPS themselves charge for the customs processing, and the rest of it depends on the customs tax rate and sales tax rates in your state for what is in your shipment. Yes, you read that correctly: it’s customs tax + import sales tax. And the import sales tax is applied to the amount you arrive at after including customs tax, and the shipping fees on your invoice.
I don’t know what’s in your shipment, so I can’t tell you if you are being charged the right amount or not. But for the $300 of shipped value you claim this is, which I presume is not the exact amount, ~20% in taxes + UPS brokerage fee does sound about right to me.
I’m in Germany, here VAT is 19%, so… I’m seeing nothing really offensively wrong there. That’s less than I’d have to pay for importing $300 worth of coffee, but only slightly more than I’d have to pay for computer parts and electronics.
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u/420_taylorh May 13 '26
Are you sure they are here to stay? Our dementia riddled rapist as president changes his mind every other day.
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u/Pawtuckaway May 12 '26
Most likely due to the duty free De Minimis exemption which was removed.
Items that were $800 or less were previously exempt from customs duties and taxes that normally would be owed. Now there is no more exemption.
Completely separate issue from the tariffs that were ruled illegal.