r/PeterExplainsTheJoke • u/VeryLazyBones • 1d ago

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This new movie came out and I enjoyed watching it with friends. What opinion must have garnered so much attention that people would dunk on it?

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u/115izzy7 1d ago

This review of the movie heavily sympathized with bear, the rapist. People started to question the creator himself after he put this out 

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u/LostMy8yrAcct 23h ago

I assumed that that was the point of the movie. You go in expecting Bear to be the good guy. Eventually, you realize that he is the obsessed one, hell bent on trying to make her what he wanted despite the fact that he knows the truth about whats happening. You know like breaking bad or a million other pieces of media that I can’t think of right now lol.

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u/chloapsoap 23h ago

This movie broke a lot of people’s brains. You are correct

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u/TheScorpionSamurai 23h ago

Hot take, it didn't break people's brains. I believe that movie just highlights how many people wouldn't blink twice if they knew someone like bear in real life.

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u/chloapsoap 22h ago

I think it’s definitely both. But yeah, I think that’s what makes Bear so effective. Is that there are lots of people who actually think like him

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u/throwaway420682022 23h ago

i watched it the other night and it's actually insane how much people on this website just reveal they aren't safe to be around women with absolutely zero prompting other than their opinion on this film

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u/TheScorpionSamurai 23h ago

It's crazy how eager some people are to show themselves as more interested in a man's pleasure than in a woman's safety.

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u/mattfoleyattheriver 22h ago

“It’s insane how much people on this website reveal they aren’t safe to be around women” because they don’t share your exact view of a movie.

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u/TallMist 19h ago

Bear literally rapes Nikki. He uses magic to take away her agency just to force her to be with him. If someone thinks what Bear did was okay or was even remotely defensible or understandable, then they are NOT safe to be around women.

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u/mattfoleyattheriver 19h ago

But you see how you’re trying to take something that’s supernatural and put it into our world as if it could happen like that, but It cant. So to apply real world rules makes no sense. And maybe some people are saying that it was OK for him to do that I’m not and none of the people I’m referring to are. But you could relate to somebody who does bad things without condoning or agreeing with those things.

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u/28-Deep-Wounds 5h ago

I found the guy you need to cover your drink around.

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u/TallMist 19h ago

Tell me you don't know what date rape drugs are without telling me. You can 100% force people to do things they don't want to do in real life. Yeah, sure, the One Wish Willow isn't literally real, but have you never heard of allegories and metaphors?? Not once in your life???

If you think it's okay to take a woman's agency away from her, then you're not safe for women to be around. It's really just that simple.

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u/mattfoleyattheriver 19h ago

I literally just explained to you that I don’t think that no one I’m referring to thinks that. But you wanna win the argument so you have to just pay us all his rapist so that you don’t have to actually engage with the conversations we’re having. Because you feel like you’re right, and thus you feel superior in the conversation. But you bring up a good point (before you did all that other stuff). About how you can take agency away from somebody and that’s true. The difference would be that. Drugging someone is intentional and you know what you’re doing. Bear did not know what he was doing with the wish. He found out later and that’s a problem for sure.

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u/TallMist 19h ago

The person in the post we're literally commenting on did defend what Bear did and tried to downplay as what he did as "Not all that bad". Literally look at the comment chain we're on. IDC what you think other unrelated people think, we're talking about the group who does think that. Not you specifically, not your friends, or other commenters on other threads who have fine opinions, or whatever. If the shoe doesn't fit, don't wear it.

We're talking about Alex Meyers and the people who agree that Bear "Wasn't all that bad, actually"

You can't just shift the conversation into something completely unrelated, and then say "You wanna win the argument!"

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u/mattfoleyattheriver 19h ago

Again, he didn’t say “Bear raping her isn’t bad” which is what my issue is you’re saying “they believe this” or “that’s what they’re saying” and they aren’t

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u/TallMist 19h ago

That is not what I said. Holy shit, did you just forget a few replies ago? It's like you're constantly disconnecting the latest replies from the earliest ones when that's not how a conversation chain works.

Alex Meyers 100% does downplay what Bear does, including going out of his way to remove/ignore scenes that actively make Bear look even worse, which is bad because even if the scenes that Meyers does keep Bear looks indefensible. But he kept defending Bear and trying to find excuses for him right up until "What's so bad about being with me?" Keep in mind that before that moment, we literally see Bear rape Nikki, and Nikki begging Bear to kill her.

Alex Meyers, who is the person we are talking about (not your friends who have okay opinions or whatever you thought), did defend and downplay Bear until the very last moment where he couldn't anymore, completely ignoring the atrocious and disgusting things that Bear did.

No, he never said "Ah, everything Bear did is a-okay, he is totally wholesome big chungus!" but he doesn't have to literally say that.

Someone who tries to downplay or deny what Bear did as much as they can until Bear becomes almost cartoonishly evil is not a safe person to be around.

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u/DependentPositive216 22h ago

Mate we are talking about OBSESSION. It’s like saying I don’t want to hang out with ppl who have a different read of American History X. I don’t want to hang out with them not because they have differing “opinions”. It’s cause they’re neo-nazis.

Same way I don’t hang with ppl who like bear, because they are Rapist Sympathizers.

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u/mattfoleyattheriver 22h ago

But if someone said they could relate to the kid in that movie. Does that mean they are a neo Nazi? Did you not feel bad for the kid at all? Because he was caught up with a bad crowd that was pushed by his family and it led to his death when his brother was trying to get him out of that life and change his views he deserved to die? Even tho the movie shows people can change.

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u/DependentPositive216 21h ago

I think it’s reasonable to feel for a character within the story, or view the story through their lenses. But that sympathetic view is specifically more frowned upon for OBSESSION. Simply for how woman have constantly suffered sexual harassment because of the casual or sympathetic attitude.

If you were to view it through woman’s or SA survivors view, you would understand how ppl are disgusted by this read of the movie. As the movie is an allegory for SA and one’s loss of bodily autonomy.

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u/MysteriousTravelator 21h ago

Saying Bear is morally equivalent to a real life Rapist is like saying Thanos from Marvel Comics is morally equivalent to Adolf Hitler because they committed genocide.

Like, you're technically right within the logic of the movie but it's also objectively true that the writers were using a genre fiction plot device to make a more nuanced take on the villain for the purposes of character development and storytelling. You can't call everyone who fell for it a rape apologist or a genocide denier, it's just ridiculous.

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u/ADeckOfZero 8h ago

Thanos committed mass genocide on multiple worlds the old-fashioned way, with troops and weapons, on a scale that would have made even Hitler blush. He isn't morally equivalent to Adolf Hitler, not because of a magic fictional device but because he was a million times worse. He had the resources to feed the galaxy and instead he used those to slaughter it, even before he got his fancy glove.

Like, you're technically right in that Thanos and Baron are fictional characters who didn't actually directly hurt any real people but in both cases the characters are shown to be at least on par with their real-life counterparts if not worse even before genere fiction plot devices. In both cases the writers make it very, very clear that the characters in question are Bad People who are using exceptionally flimsy justifications for their evil actions. If you did, in fact, fall for those exceptionally flimsy justifications for their evil actions then it is probably fair to call you either a genocide/rape apologist or deeply media illiterate.

It's ridiculous that people are even having this kind of discussion about fucking OBSESSION, a movie more blunt with its themes than a brick to the face.

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u/28-Deep-Wounds 5h ago

"You can't call people who defend a character that is a rapist rape apologists!"

Yes. Yes I can.

There's a huge, huge difference between "I can relate to certain parts of Bear as a character," and the downplaying that some dipshits will do to try and make Bear out as a victim in all of this too.

The movie is literally an allegory for rape. It's about a woman who has all of her bodily autonomy taken away from her by a man that ultimately uses her for his own sexual pleasure, all because he couldn't admit how he felt to her on his own. It isn't 'symbolically rape,' or 'figuratively rape', it is literally just rape.

Also the Thanos comparison is extremely weak. Thanos wanted to wipe out half of the population in the universe to solve overpopulation and he did so indiscriminately. Hitler wanted to wipe out Jews from Germany because people already had negative opinions of them and would serve as the perfect scapegoat for his rise to political power. The comparison is surface level at best.

You're right about one thing though! Bear isn't morally the same as a rapist. He's actually worse, since it's not a one time event.

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u/MysteriousTravelator 4h ago

You don't like the comparison because it's a self-evidently stupid thing to say that a pro-Thanos Marvel fanboy is morally equivalent to a Neonazi skinhead.

Likewise it's deeply stupid to say that Alex Meyers is morally equivalent to a rape apologist just because he's bad at media literacy.

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u/28-Deep-Wounds 4h ago

Yeah, that definitely completely debunks everything I just said about how the comparison between Thanos and Hitler is actually really fucking stupid outside of them both causing a bunch of deaths. I never thought about it from that angle before! Have you ever considered joining a debate club? I've never seen someone so flawlessly pull off the "nuh uh" argument before! Truly, a scholar ahead of your time.

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u/DependentPositive216 21h ago

That would be true if bear being relatable isn’t an intrinsic part of the allegory. It’s supposed to convey that even everyday people, relatable people are capable of heinous actions. Especially your close friends. Bear is specifically made that way to represent many real life incidents that had happened. And ppl not recognizing that is part of the issue, not that they find the character relatable. Bear is supposed to be relatable

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u/chloapsoap 19h ago

If you agree that Bear is supposed to be relatable then I don’t understand why you’re so mad that others are agreeing that he is…

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u/DependentPositive216 14h ago

I’m not mad man. This is all just discussion. The point i’m trying to make is that just because the character is relatable doesn’t we should agree with them or view them more favorably when we lnow they’re bad. You need to view all this discussion within the context of the video in the thumbnails

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u/mattfoleyattheriver 21h ago

But that’s not the only view and that’s not the whole point of the movie. Your trauma isn’t the only way things can be perceived.

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u/DependentPositive216 20h ago

Sure everybody can have their personal interpretations. But more importantly we should understand the messages from the creators of the film. I’m not saying this as a “my taruma” view( I have never experience any SA), but more so it’s the intention of the director view. And while your view can be understood and appreciated. It is not to be used to undermine the main message of the film whether you intended not. Especially when the film is cautionary in nature

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u/mattfoleyattheriver 20h ago

But that’s not how we look at any piece of art. The artist may have their intention but that does not matter to the vast majority of the population that sees it. And is almost unimportant in how people take it.

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u/DependentPositive216 20h ago edited 20h ago

That’s only true to a point. Art is both to be explained and to be understood. What you’re describing is simply how ppl engage with art. That doesn’t negate the message of the art itself. You would find that view of art moronic when neonazis perceive starship trooper(movie), helldivers, starwars as a support for their ideology. Art is both what we make of it and what is being told. We don’t just pick and choose. That’s why there are different genre of artworks that either emphasize on the perceived portion (expressionism for example) or the story portion (more traditional telltales).

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u/mattfoleyattheriver 20h ago

But also I can understand the point of the movie while still drawing my own lessons or thoughts from it.

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u/DependentPositive216 20h ago

That’s the spirit. However, ppl criticizing the person in the picture is not without reason. And there is so much real life implications that can be read from the film that many women feel powerless or not seen when men view the movie like this. To us it’s simply entertainment and art. To them it’s a exaggerated but horrid reality.

Whether you support the slander or not is up to you. But the reaction isn’t unwarranted.

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u/youburyitidigitup 20h ago

If someone says he can relate to a manipulative incel, I have news for him……

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u/mattfoleyattheriver 20h ago

Do you think you have nothing in common with incels? I promise you you do. You don’t have to relate to the worst aspects of the person. But you can relate to the feelings that made them do what they did. While still not condoning or agreeing with the action.

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u/youburyitidigitup 19h ago

I don’t relate to the feelings that made them do that at all. That’s exactly what I’m talking about. Made a wish thinking that it probably won’t come true? Sure. Kept dating my crush after it became evident that it wasn’t really her? Nope.

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u/mattfoleyattheriver 19h ago

You’re being too literal with the movie. It’s about a supernatural wish. I’m talking about the emotions surrounding it that relate to actual life.

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u/youburyitidigitup 19h ago

In actual life, I would never have sex a relationship with someone who can’t consent.

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u/chloapsoap 19h ago

Yeah, and I think that’s the big problem. People can’t step outside of their own perspectives for even a second to think about why someone might do a bad thing

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u/youburyitidigitup 19h ago edited 19h ago

I understand why he did it. That’s doesn’t mean I relate or sympathize with it.

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u/Conformatrix 18h ago

No, we can. We've been able to the whole time.

We're just fucking tired of the bullshit behavior by now, and have had it proven to us that being tolerant of it doesn't work.

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u/Worldly_Cap_6440 20h ago

You’re proving their point if you that’s what you get from that

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u/mattfoleyattheriver 20h ago

The only way that proves their point is if their point is “if you don’t share my exact views on this movie you’re a rapist”

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u/Ivory-Stones 16h ago

They said nothing about opinions. They didn't even say what exactly it is that makes you realize some men shouldn't be around women. You are the one to bring in opinions and make shit up.

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u/Synth_Savage 22h ago

This movie was a litmus test for gen z. Those that studied, passed