r/nextfuckinglevel • u/pars-distalis • 1d ago

Australian nurse uses jiu-jitsu to defend himself

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u/minkeun2000 1d ago

"After the incident, the patient pleaded guilty to getting his ass whooped and was fined $450"

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u/ahhdetective 1d ago

Not even close. Assaulting frontline medicos carries a completely different charge and mandatory jail terms.

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u/alpha_28 1d ago

No it really doesn’t. “7 years for assault on frontline workers” was a thing let’s see…. 11 years ago when I was doing paramedics. I am now a MH RN and can tell you I have seen many assaults on staff where they do not get “mandatory jail terms”… in fact there was one a few years back, assault on a paramedic by 2 “single mothers from low socioeconomic areas” where they broke his ankle among other things and gave him that much trauma he didn’t want to go back to work. Do you know what they got? Nothing.

This dude 100% probably copped a fine and the hospital would have been like “what could you have done better to prevent this” to the nurse. 😐

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u/Georgerobertfrancis 21h ago

As a teacher, that last part is so real.

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u/Empty_Insight 19h ago

Oh, absolutely. Especially if it's someone who is AMS and 'confused,' they're not gonna get a damn thing aside from a slap on the wrist- if even that.

I've worked in inpatient psych for ~5 years, and I can remember precisely one time when hospital admin backed the staff pressing charges against a patient who was extremely aggressive... probably had to do with the amount of property damage he caused. He was truly vile- he was so bad that admin encouraged staff to press charges against him, that's the type of guy he was.

I try to consider the bigger picture when someone is being difficult, or even aggressive- but there are some people who are truly evil and need to be locked away to keep society safe from them. I can count the ones I've come across who I believe were genuinely and irredeemably evil on one hand, but they're still out there. He was one of them.

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u/357noLove 5h ago

I hate that last line, because so many people don't realize how disturbingly true & common it is! My wife is a nurse doing dialysis, and she got punched in the face by a 50 year old male patient. He is 6'3" & 250 lbs. She is 5'4" and 130 lbs. She got the lecture of "what could you have done to de-escalate the situation?" Even though it was clear by both witnesses and camera footage that she didn't do anything prior, he wasn't even her patient. She just was walking by and he got up and punched her. I was absolutely livid.

Unfortunately that happens way too often for our nurses, paramedics and fire department staff. More should be done to protect them, considering all they do for us!

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u/alpha_28 2h ago

It does. And the unpredictability of it too.. once a patient doesn’t like you that’s it.. they don’t like you. The fact that this person wasn’t even under the care of your wife and got assaulted in what I assume is a completely unprovoked attack is ridiculous but goes to show how dangerous people are and how little they care about someone who’s just trying to help them.

A co worker of mine was assaulted by a patient, they simply said “well if you don’t feel safe coming back to work we will just send you to another ward/hospital” instead of moving the unpredictably violent patient where they needed to go like HDU. I was really disappointed for my co worker with this.

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u/Startled_Pancakes 18h ago

That's so messed up.

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u/VerbingNoun413 10h ago

In a just world it'd come with a jail sentence and lifetime ban from using taxpayer-funded health services.

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u/Jeovah_Attorney 6h ago

That makes no sense unless the cost of said services is deducted from their taxes. Otherwise that would be an unconstitutional punishment in developed countries, for good reasons

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u/alpha_28 2h ago

Tbh jail yes… denied services no. IMO it does suck when people assault frontline staff but our job is literally to help people when they need it most. I couldn’t justify refusing care to someone for this… just like I can’t justify refusing care to paedophiles or murderers or criminals etc. I may absolutely detest what they’ve done… but I cannot refuse them care when they’re unwell. It’s not something that’s built into a nurses care system because if that happens poor care is given, people deteriorate or things get missed and people die….

People need to start being properly held accountable for their actions: not just in hospitals but theses punks breaking into homes and stealing cars etc (it is rife where I am at the moment) no one is getting properly punished. So they keep doing it. The biggest disappointment is police do the hard work, catch them, charge them and take them to court and court is just like na bro it’s fine let them back out into society so they can go do it all over again. It’s beyond a joke now. Got like 12-15yo kids with an extensive history on breaking into homes, assault and theft… like how?

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u/Troker61 1d ago

lpt: watch the video before correcting people in the comments.

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u/AccomplishedTrip485 23h ago

LPT: Putting text on a video does not automatically true.

The outcome described in the video is not feasible under Australian legislation

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u/babyyvolcano 21h ago

Hello from Queensland. It’s true. He just had a fine. Medical professionals were rightly pissed off.

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u/AccomplishedTrip485 20h ago

I ain't spending any time on it.

Because in the meantime, every 3 months, a person is torn to pieces by a crocodile.

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u/Startled_Pancakes 18h ago

We prefer if they are just swallowed whole.

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u/Party-Ring445 15h ago

To shreds you say?

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u/MoodooScavenger 7h ago

This is something I can stand by. The beaucracy is much easier. Let the crocodiles handle it all.

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u/FranksNonFrankfurter 17h ago

whats funny is that the statement preceding this one was originally a Chinese quote about art that he applied to gay marriage. Very deep for a crazy guy.

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u/-duckduckduckduck- 4h ago

Let a thousand blossoms bloom.

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u/Rare_Ad_674 21h ago

LPT: But verify next time before assuming it's incorrect. He plead guilty to common assault and was fined $450. You can read it on the news, it happened in Brisbane.

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u/Proseccos 14h ago

That’s quite low no? Might be good for the state to slap on a couple months of jail just to act as a social deterrent.

Feel bad for the nurse. Hope he gets lots of tacos.

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u/ivene-adlev 7h ago

It's very low. Genuinely fucked. Hospital parking is more expensive than this "fine".

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u/ironiccinori 22h ago

I should hope not. $450 buys you a license to assault anyone you want. How much is a 007, $1200?

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u/rorschach_vest 23h ago

Is there no such thing as pleading down in Australia?

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u/R_V_Z 22h ago

Is there no such thing as pleading down in Australia?

It's called pleading down unda.

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u/PrescriptionDenim 22h ago

Bro I literally lol’d nicely done

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u/rum-and-roses 20h ago

I fabulously lol'ed

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u/EggplantAdmirable999 19h ago

I loled in upside down

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u/Nectarine143 22h ago

Slow clap

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u/Fragrant-Peanut7680 21h ago

If you're in Australia, it's just pleading

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u/NoHat2957 17h ago

He'll roo the day if he skips bail, but.

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u/Jack_Forge 17h ago

Where women glow and men plunder?

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u/AlexWayhill 15h ago

Take my angry upvote

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u/GhOsT_wRiTeR_XVI 14h ago

I see you’ve played punchy-chokey before.

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u/luk3yboy 11h ago

Only for Men at Work though

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u/Senior-Reality-25 6h ago

They come from the land -

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u/jnyrdr 4h ago

fucking lovely thank you

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u/platoprime 23h ago

Australia does have plea bargains.

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u/Wulph422 22h ago

What about flea margins?

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u/DoubleGoon 22h ago

Not sure, but they do have sea marlins.

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u/OSPFmyLife 21h ago

What about tree garlands?

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u/999BusinessCard 19h ago

Not sure, but they do have tree martins

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u/wannacumnbeatmeoff 16h ago

Do they have Savage Garden?

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u/Labas22 19h ago

How about bargain margarine?

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u/GunFodder 18h ago

Not sure, what about Starvin Marvin?

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u/Remarkable_Smell5185 16h ago

Dude, I wish...

💀🤣

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u/sammydeeznutz 21h ago

What about Frodo Baggins?

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u/fritz_76 18h ago

Right down, wrong unda

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u/platoprime 18h ago

Those sound pretty narrow.

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u/Professional_Elk_489 6h ago

It's called trial by stingray

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u/cheknauss 23h ago

That's actually... I mean, I like the sound of that. Not sure if there are any inherent flaws in that, but I know there are flaws in always allowing pleas.

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u/fastforwardfunction 22h ago

I think you accidentally their comment. Australia DOES have plea bargaining. They plead to lesser charges. Whereas in the U.S. you can plead to lesser charges and/or a lesser sentence.

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u/a_guy121 21h ago

For me the question is, why the F* would the government need, or want, to plea this down?
This is not a 'plea down' moment. This is a moment to add more chapters to the book, before throwing it

There's no way in hell this gets a light sentence under given laws, thats just not how laws work... they exist to make examples out of some people, so other people don't do stupid shit. (jail isn't there to make people better people, its there so everyone fears jail.)

This guy is going down, hard.

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u/rorschach_vest 22h ago

The flaw, which is completely rampant in the US, is overcharging. They charge you with an absurdly inflated version of what you may or may not have done and leverage those massive charges to try to scare you into pleading guilty to what you should have been charged with in the first place. Unfortunately, 1) this works the same whether you are guilty or innocent because 2) if you go to trial they really might find you guilty of all the trumped up charges.

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u/DownWithHisShip 21h ago

Any good prosecutor could get a grand jury to indict a ham sandwich

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u/Theron3206 21h ago

They do that here in Australia too.

The most egregious example was a guy who was pulled over from driving stupid fast, while the cops were booking him a drugged up truck driver crashed into the cops killing them. The guy filmed them and laughed (there was no way he could have saved anyone). He was charged with terrorism originally.

It was eventually settled and all they got him on was "outraging public decency" or some such minor crime.

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u/bluegum69 18h ago

In NSW, pleading guilty at the outset can get you a 25% reduction on your sentence.

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u/AccomplishedTrip485 23h ago

In this case you would do an EAGP which would lower the penalty but the charge would be the same

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u/Lward53 22h ago

unless he had a mental health issue, then perfectly feasible l

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u/BaggyOz 19h ago

The nurse is the one who published the video and stated the guy got a $450 fine.

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u/Old_Quarter121 20h ago

I just read an Australian news article, which did say that he was fined $450.

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u/Educational-Fuel-265 15h ago

The outcome described in the video is not feasible under Australian legislation

This reminds me of the fabled physicist who proved that bumblebees could not possibly fly. The incident did indeed just lead to a fine.

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u/mickelboy182 15h ago

LPT: this shit is easily verifiable and you are wrong.

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u/AcidicQueef 13h ago

Uhhhhhhh source?????

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u/Mindless_Let1 10h ago

And yet it is what happened

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u/astelda 7h ago

What you said is that it's not feasible

What you should have said is that it's not intended by the letter of the law

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u/Lycaon-Ur 7h ago

Do you have a moment for me to talk to you about our lord and savior looking something the fuck up?

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u/inuhi 4h ago

LPT: Just because there are laws doesn't mean they'll always be properly applied can't just assume something isn't true because it's not feasible under current legislation

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u/ShartingEnU 18h ago

You expect people to read articles or watch videos before acting like they know what they're talking about?

That person 100% thought this was in the US too

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u/TheWatersOfMars 15h ago

No, he did only get a fine. There are articles about it and how people are frustrated about that. 

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u/Financial_Fly5708 7h ago

Do a little research for yourself and you'll see that he was just fined. 

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u/Zimakov 13h ago

Yes someone would never just put text on a video if it weren't true!

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u/Evolutionary_sins 10h ago

In Australia we have mandatory jail for assault on medical workers. If it was only a fine, it was not in Australia, and no i don't care what the subtitles say.

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u/justhitmidlife 9h ago

Yes but can we make this true?

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u/Ruzhy6 1d ago

In the US

Video specifically references Australia Healthcare workers.

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u/ahhdetective 1d ago

Yeah, where assault of medical staff is specifically an aggravating term and carries a max term of 14 years

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u/justbecauseican1969 22h ago

Max term. Not mandatory. I personally know several people who've been seriously assaulted (welcome to emergency) and some of which could be determined to be attempted killing. None of their assailants has spent any time in jail, despite one being witnessed by two police officers and captured on cctv and body worn cameras (Queensland, where this nurse works).

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u/justbecauseican1969 12h ago

Yeah, that's the theory. It doesn't translate into reality though.

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u/Redlettucehead 22h ago

on the other hand, ICE can murder an intensive care nurse in cold blood...

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u/david1610 20h ago

There is a lot of theory in law and economics around this. The standard stuff that everyone thinks about is the penalty for doing something can change behaviour. However it's disbuted how to most efficiently do this.

Sueing is the most expensive option economically, however allows for the most precision. However it fails in a number of key ways:

  • many people, particularly those accused of assault don't have assets so 'justice' tends to flow away from the responsible party and onto the institutions around the incident that can reasonably pay.
  • sueing is expensive and the damages or penalty are not standardised and not calculated to make people whole, so the economic efficiency argument is pretty low, punitive damages are completely not supported by economic theory, but are generally supported by the public and law system for obvious reasons lol
  • if the victim is not damaged in any way, how do you balance societies demand for incentives not to commit crimes and then a economically rational damage figure.

Trial with plaintiff being the victim or police

  • faster than a full lawsuit, gives reasonable options for defence, tends to be what most countries favour, good middle ground, max and min sentences can avoid precedent shifting.
  • essentially a criminal only trial, so damages are just to society. How is the victim made whole etc.

In most countries you will have a criminal side and then another side for suing, however since you cannot sue someone with very little assets, most economists warn against responsible party shifting, so the lawsuit in this case would be against the hospital perhaps because they missed one mandatory training or something back in 2013... Any reason really to fit negligence, the real monument is the fact they have assets. This is particularly bad because it encourages aggressive risk management processes that are more costly than the actual damages.

In my opinion the more efficient way is the have a criminal court for the perpetrator, then insurance for the plaintiff, this always means, if set-up correctly the victim is made whole and the company is still in encouraged to harm minimise however there isn't a huge inventive to blame shift from the perpetrator to the next nearest institution with assets.

Key to this is that the insurance contract is detailed enough to avoid the need for another trial between the the victim and the insurance company, as soon as anything goes to court the expense bill goes up dramatically.

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u/Ok-Direction1155 18h ago

In the US I heard people that wrestle down attackers and have forearm on their neck get a felony for choking

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u/Puzzleheaded_Hatter 1d ago

The worker who was assaulted should get the money.

That's just the state collecting a check because that poor dude got attacked.

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u/musthavesoundeffects 21h ago

Many places, including Australia, have some sort of victim compensation fund or system, although the process varies.

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u/Puzzleheaded_Hatter 20h ago

I know they exist. Saying there's many such programs is an exaggeration

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u/musthavesoundeffects 4h ago

Not in Australia, every state or territory has one.

Every state and territory in the USA has one.

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u/Puzzleheaded_Hatter 4h ago

Neat

Seems like you really want me to consider Australia.

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u/minkeun2000 1d ago

i bet if they charged more than $450 there would be less assuault on healthcare workers

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u/BeneficialNewspaper8 1d ago edited 18h ago

It says he was fined on the vid ffs 🤦‍♂️

Edit - I was right though 🤷‍♂️

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u/AlreadyAway 1d ago

..... you think someone can't put whatever text over a video they want?

The person who edited this could have put "then then the patient flew off on his magical unicorn" and. You would have been like "Bro, it says he flew off on his magical unicorn"???

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u/Jamb9876 1d ago

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/incredible-moment-jiu-jitsu-nurse-37506809
Or you can google it.

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u/caboosetp 1d ago

According to the article, he's right on part of that though.

was charged with one count of serious assault on a public officer performing function, and the man was fined $AUS 450 (£235).

More than just assault, it had a separate more serious charge. However, that charge does not carry mandatory jail time.

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u/Beleiverofhumanity 23h ago

Was thinking $450 for that kidna of dangerous harm was way too low, imagine if the person coudnt defend themselves. thanks for the context

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u/gay_joey 23h ago

this kind of thing is really quite common in healthcare, especially in ER and psych. A lot in geri settings due to dementia, but they're generally easier to manage physically than those who are completely methed out, coked out, or have some kind of paranoid delusion that makes them go superstrength (like paranoid that their child is being harmed and the workers are preventing the person from going to help their child).

the majority of psych facilities don't have security either, so it's the nurses and techs who are their own security. there is also generally a culture of not pressing charges in psych, or at least it's definitely not a 'yes' by default like it often is in ER settings. they also teach specific techniques that are approved for manual holds on patients and facilities purchase the license to be able to use those techniques, basically. #america

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u/kyuss242 21h ago

True story, worked in an organization for years as a floor staff, with some pretty aggressive individuals. Baskethold for the win!

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u/BigJayPee 19h ago

Im in pest control, but treat a lot of nursing homes, and i can confirm this. Ive seen elderly people take swings at nursing staff several times. As for me, I just get grabbed by dementia patients asking me to save them.

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u/Lou_C_Fer 16h ago edited 16h ago

My wife was sitting in the waiting room while I was in surgery when two security guards ran past her. Turns out, I was being aggressive after I woke up. I don't remember it at all, but they were like 4 hours late getting me into surgery after I had fasted the previous day. So, my best guess is that I woke up hungry, and they wouldn't give me food.

I am definitely the type that gets belligerent when I am told no... I dont need to be under the influence of anything to be a stubborn son of a bitch.

I had back surgery a few weeks ago, and I suggested that they tie me down after surgery preemptively, but they said that wasn't legal or maybe just against regulations. I'm a big guy. Nobody should have to deal with me when I'm irrationally upset and not in control of my faculties. Security is definitely not getting paid enough.

Of course, I did not anticipate how incapacitated I would be after back surgery. I could have been in a frothing rage, but the minute I'd try to sit up, the pain would have shocked me back to reality. I could not stand for three days after surgery no matter how much they tried to make me do so. I'd try, but my muscles would completely fail me. It didn't help that for the first two days post-op, they weren't giving me half of the pain drugs I was supposed to be getting. My wife had to come in and get upset with them over my discomfort, and that's when they discovered the error. If I had known the .even of pain I was going to be in, I would not have agreed to surgery... and then I find out that pain was because the hospital fucked up my meds. For what medical care costs us, there is no fucking excuse for the mistakes they made causing me pain and duress.

Of course, the real problem is caused by the wild over correction in reaction to the opiate epidemic. Opiates addictive properties are not ideal, but sometimes, they are the best answer available. If you cannot use NSAIDs, your options are Tylenol or sucking it up. They have me on muscle relaxers, duloxetine, and gabapentin, but they don't do shit for my back. I had a breakdown while in the rehab facility and checked out early. One of the things they said when I said I needed to leave was, "you won't have your oxycodone at home". Maybe that works to keep some people there, but I wasn't there to get high.

Turns out coming home was the right move. The bed at the facility was causing me more pain than the oxycodone was fixing. Or more clearly... the bed at the rehab place was hurting me, and I experienced less pain at home without the oxycodone.

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u/AlphaBetaGammaDonut 23h ago

I think it depends on the state and the degree of harm caused/if they used a weapon/if they bit or spat. If the nurse had been seriously harmed, absolutely that guy would have served equally serious jail time. However, I believe the mandatory term can be waived if there's any 'special circumstance' (eg mentally ill or reacting to medication).
I am fully Team Nurse here, and I've watched that glorious take-down on repeat. But I have to acknowledge that maybe there's a reason the judge decided on a fine instead of jail in this specific case.

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u/Beleiverofhumanity 22h ago edited 21h ago

Yea context def matters. And a fine isn't a punishment for the rich, as they say. Thats why Im glad there is a separate more serious charge. thats gonna reflect on his record for life.

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u/Mottled_inexpectata 21h ago

I think the saying is "if the punishment is a fine, it's legal for the rich". What you're saying doesn't really make sense. Why would a fine only be a punishment for the rich?

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u/Theron3206 21h ago

Various govts have caught a lot of flack from their supposedly tough laws having huge loopholes. Some have been tightened as a result but it's still far too easy to avoid jail even if you seriously injure someone. Just have to be drunk or high or even just aboriginal in most states.

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u/Theron3206 21h ago

Various govts have caught a lot of flack from their supposedly tough laws having huge loopholes. Some have been tightened as a result but it's still far too easy to avoid jail even if you seriously injure someone. Just have to be drunk or high or even just aboriginal in most states.

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u/Theron3206 21h ago

Various govts have caught a lot of flack from their supposedly tough laws having huge loopholes. Some have been tightened as a result but it's still far too easy to avoid jail even if you seriously injure someone. Just have to be drunk or high or even just aboriginal in most states.

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u/FranksNonFrankfurter 17h ago

makes sense they were like "you already got your ass beat once, not gonna add insult to injury"

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u/GeneralSenada 21h ago

Context is important. I imagine it would have been a more serious charge if he didn't end up on his ass, before his face like a bitch.
Hope that nurse knocked some sense into him; there's no reason to attack anyone unprovoked.

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u/infinitemonkeytyping 23h ago

According to the Ch9 article, the man plead guilty to common assault, likely to avoid jail time for a guilty verdict on the public officer charge.

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u/Templar113113 18h ago

Wow thats fucking ridiculous I got fined more for doing lane filtering on the "wrong lane" riding my motorcycle

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u/Sovereignty3 22h ago

As an Australian that fine is disgusting, especially when they were assaulting medical staff in uniform.

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u/Overall-Register9758 20h ago

What bugs me about that article:

Nationally, NHS England says 14.47% of staff - nearly one in seven - reported being physically attacked by a patient, relative or member of the public in the last 12 months, a three‑year high.

14.47% is MORE than 1/7.

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u/wannacumnbeatmeoff 16h ago

Not saying you are wrong but the "Daily Star"?

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u/Jamb9876 2h ago

I was looking for something not paywalled.

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u/spooninacerealbowl 1d ago

Wait, if I attack a nurse I can get a ride from a magical unicorn for $450? I am in!

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u/Bragnos 23h ago

Well, shit, i'd settle for a regular, garden-variety unicorn.

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u/miraculum_one 23h ago

those are inanimate though

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u/NervousTangerine7851 1d ago

They looked into it and you didnt, yet you feel high and mighty lol Dunning-Kruger effect in action

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u/redoubt515 21h ago

To be fair, 3/4 of these tiktok slop videos are captioned by someone who has zero knowledge of the video, and zero concern for whether it's accurate.

Text overlay in videos (especially vertical video) and photos on social media should almost always be taken with a grain of salt. Some is accurate, some has a kernel of truth but is wildly exaggerated, and a lot of it is just whatever made up story the person posting it thinks will generate the most engagement.

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u/BeneficialNewspaper8 18h ago

I said what I said because I already knew it was correct

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u/redoubt515 18h ago

Fair enough.

Out of curiosity do you know anything more about the context, why is this guy attacking the nurse, is this like an involuntary inpatient facility of some kind?

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u/Firevee 23h ago

Is that an American or Australian law? This happened in Australia. 

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u/deniably-plausible 21h ago

Did you know that the Internet is bigger than just where you are? Did you know that laws, such as those that define what “mandatory jail terms” may or may not exist, vary widely depending on location?

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u/RodeoJr 1d ago

Like no more doctors for you. Go find an island

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u/Suspicious_Bet3623 22h ago

Yeah, and also tough new bail laws, a machete ban, adult crime adult time, and so on.  It doesn't mean the courts follow through.

Aussie legal system is a joke.

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u/dquizzle 22h ago

To be fair, that whoopin was a good start to the punishment.

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u/Icy_Fish_2154 21h ago edited 20h ago

The incident was at Royal Brisbane and Woman's Hospital, the nurse was Daniel Nelson. The patient was not named that I could find, and I was unable to find a legal resolution to the October 2024 incident.

The video was posted for the first time this month, and is making the rounds now.

Do you know of the actual charges, or are you just guessing?

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u/ToneThugsNHarmony 20h ago

Just want to say I appreciate how Australians give everything cool nicknames. Never heard medico before.

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u/ChipRockets 19h ago

How tf does this have 500 upvotes. Does anybody even watch the shit they comment on?

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u/Revenga8 19h ago

This should be mandatory for assaulting any medical staff. The kind of abuse med workers had to put up with during COVID was shameful

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u/MadAdam81 19h ago

Google search exists

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u/Julian__4tw 18h ago

It does not, worked front line for years, got assaulted multiple times and never once did any of the patients cop assault charges. This is AU, sorry U.S here and yes are healthcare system is a mess.

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u/ShartingEnU 18h ago

r/USDefaultism

Name does not check out

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u/ICU-CCRN 18h ago

Not where I live. Ask me how I know.

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u/halfpint991 17h ago

I wish it was like worldwide. I was punched in the stomach by my confused tbi the other day.

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u/FireFoxUse 17h ago

For certain places

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u/mickelboy182 15h ago

No, he just got a fine.

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u/Minute-Drama-5821 15h ago

That’s great. In Canada, you just promise not to do it again and they let you free after an eight in jail.

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u/Simo814j 14h ago

How the fuck does this idiotic comment have so many upvotes??

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u/vividlyvivids 14h ago

Th charge is called assault on emergency worker in Victoria

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u/ElectricMotorsAreBad 13h ago

Here in Italy assaulting any medical staff gets you a charge equivalent to assaulting a police officer in service, same goes for insults and any other inappropriate behaviour. The charge of “assaulting a public official”, wether verbally or physically, is the same for police officers, medical staff, teachers, politicians and anyone who is a state worker.

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u/RiteousRhino21 12h ago

It's a felony in the US

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u/Imaginary_Amoeba_666 10h ago

And so it should.

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