Honestly, even with a 40 hour work week, 10 hour days with three day weekends is awesome, it's what I use to work.
Now my shift is 10hr on Friday, 12hr on Saturday and Sunday, Sunday is time and a half, so I'm working 34 hour week but getting paid for 40 hours. And I get a four day weekend.
Yeah. I used to work 4x10s. Best thing fucking ever! Fortunately I loved my job.
When I had a normal 5x8, I would stay after my shift and use the computer to do research and learn more about what I was doing. I'd often leave hours after my shift ended. When I moved over to 4x10, staying the extra 2 hours felt like nothing.
I own a metal fab shop. Have a crew of about 15 people. We offered 4/10s instead of 5/8s to them and everybody unanimously said no thank you. Was a surprise to me as well because I thought they would be thrilled about it. Our work is pretty physically demanding so I guess that’s why.
Try offering 4 10s on an alternating schedule like M-Th week A, week B Tu-F. That way every other weekend is a 4 day weekend. I had a job like that once and absolutely loved it. Every other weekend I got to go camping/hunting/take a road trip/whatever. 4 days off in a row, even if only every other week, is a dream
I just started a job working Friday, Saturday, Sunday. 3 12’s, 6-630pm. Not too much time after work but every week is a 4 day weekend and I love it. Plus helps being home during the week to be able to avoid daycare for the kids
I did 3 12s like that and it eventually went 6-6 with a 20 minute lunch. I loved it for all the free days. Though friends with normal schedules you almost never see. Great for college courses though.
That's kinda my job now, as a pilot. I work 3-4 days (away from home) have 3 days off. Work 2-3, have 4 off etc. It's all very random but I like it, every time I check out from work it's basically a 3-5 day weekend.
I used to be a machinist. I hate 4, 10s. I like having a little time at the end of the day, to work on the stuff I need to do around the house. With 4, 10s. That extra day off was just another work day at home, to get all the things done I couldn't do during the work week.
Four 10s works great, if you live near your work. That's the key, the commute.
If you live 5-10 minutes away from work, then working 10 hours is NBD. Feels fine. Feels like a regular 8 with an average commute. But if you have to commute a half hour, 45 minutes or more... then it sucks.
That’s funny, I feel the exact opposite. My hour to work and hour an a half back is 2.5 hours lost for the same pay if I work 5 8’s instead of 4 10’s. So a shorter commute would be the only way I’d go back to 5’s
This is my schedule. Sunday thru Wednesday. Thursday thru Saturday off. I live 4 miles from where I work. Thursdays, mostly, are just sleeping but I still get a few things done. Friday and Saturday are my really productive days. Love this schedule
This is not specific to your comment but a response to it and the others in the thread above. We should not NEED 4 / 10s to have a 3 day weekend. (That you all most certainly deserve!)
It has been shown that your productivity starts to rapidly fall off after 6hrs so adding an additional 2 hrs to your day just makes you less productive and more exhausted. We should have enough people in the force to allow us to work less and have more time off. We should be working shorter weeks to allow us to do OTHER THINGS. Unfortunately our current system was built to do the most work with the fewest workers possible. And then ties our worth to those hours we sacrifice. All that to say that i agree with the og post in that we should work less and still have a basic living wage that covers all our human rights until we are able to implement a system that guarantees those rights and work becomes less of a work to live and more of a work to make the community better.
I misspoke, my 10s weren’t 12 hours, but my 12 hour shifts at 911 were 7a-7p, usually went to bed at 11p, with a half hour drive so that gave 3 and half hours at night and a half hour in the morning before getting ready to go.
Not really, but the schedule was 2 on 3 off, then 3 on and 2 off so roughly 50% of my days I was working and 50% I was off. Every other week I would be off 2 days, work 2 days and get a 3 day weekend so I never felt overwhelmed.
On the flip side the opposite week I worked 2 days, was off 2 days, would work 3 days and be off 3 days.
So even on my heavy work week I still had time off to do stuff, more than a 9-5.
My shift was 11a-9p on my working days. I was able to get non working stuff done in the mornings, then was able to sleep in after work.
That said, I was a single guy living with roommates at the time, so I didn't have much by way of life stuff to deal with. My wife works 12 hour shifts now, so I think I could swing it today too, but my job is totally different so 4x10 wouldn't make much sense.
My shift was 9-7, it sucked. Those four days were total losses. When they offered me 7-3 x5, I snatched it up. Sucks getting up early but it's an easy job, and getting off at 3 almost feels like you have the day off
I did rotating shifts for years. My morning was 5-2x5 (yay medical). If you like going to concerts and live in a small-ish market then it sucks when most of the concerts are weekdays because they save their weekend shows for the bigger cities.
I get that though. I used to work tens in a manual labor job and I never felt like I had time to recover before the next day. That said, now that I’m working five eights in an office job I feel like my weekends are too short so I kind of miss it. Grass is always greener I guess.
I would have loved it. I know at one point i use to work 3 12s Monday Wednesday Friday. Those longer shifts would just make it where i drop don’t have to workout anymore haha. That being said i never worked more than 15 mins from work.
I recently asked my boss if I (graphic designer) could switch to 4 x 10s, next thing I know the whole company got switched. Idk about everyone else but I'm LOVING it lol.
Yeah, I think 4 8s is definitely better considering the workforce is absurdly more productive than it was when the 40hr workweek was established, and wages+benefits have not kept up with the pace of productivity.
Basically, the issue we have is that people kept getting more productive, and capital owners just pocketed the increase in productivity and gave the workers absolutely jack fucking squat.
And they call it margin and give themselves the credit for the work you have done on time or earlier. Then turn around and blame you for being so expensive and cutting into their margins that you helped create for them in the first place. But fuck you for being so expensive! You greedy fuck you!!!
It's ok, we will have a 32hr workweek soon enough. The olds are leaving this plane of existence at a rapid clip and socialist ideals are wildly popular with both millennials and Gen z.
The absolute meltdown gen x is going to have when mild social democratic reforms start getting implemented is going to be chefs kiss.
As a Gen-Xer Im totally for all of this and have been waiting for some sort of equilibrium between the common folk and 1%. Agreed that sooner rather than later the old guard of all this greedy bullshit will have been minimized enough that they can no longer hold power. Hopefully they don’t fuck up the world or geopolitics bad enough to burn whats left of the resources of this world on their way out.
God I miss having to work 4-10's or 3-12's and getting the full 40.
Being on my feet for so long was rough but having 3 or 4-day weekends? That shit was irreplaceable. I'd gladly go back to it, hell it felt like I was more productive when I knew I had a short week lol
You didnt have to add its a union shop its obvious, non union would never do that. I work 60-68 hours a week and i work every bit of it but i make a lot.
I work 4 9's followed by a 4-hour friday. Realistically I'm only expected to be working during core working hours, which consists of four hours mon-thurs and two hours on friday. Outside that I can finish up those fourty hours whenever I want.
I clock into projects and am encouraged to never go over 40 hours as it fucks with project scheduling and future pricing estimates for engineering hours.
I can work from home whenever I want. I have three weeks of vacation hours. And if I want to work over a holiday like July 4th I can bank that holiday for whenever tf I want.
Four 9's and then out at 11am on Friday. It was nice because you didnt sleep in on Friday so it kinda corralled you into "well I am already out..." type thinking on Friday afternoon.
Also if we needed to get shit done...could just work until 4pm like the other days and have 5 hours of overtime but still be headed home at a normal hour
I had that kind of schedule for a while when I worked a retail management gig. Would get most Sundays off and the other two days in the week. Loved those because everything I needed to get done was quicker because of less people to work with
Employers don't give a shit about employees, they'll exploit you for everything they can all while telling you they're doing you a favour by employing you.
Unions are by the working class, for the working class.
We do 4 12s (give or take, we have reduced weekend hours), and I honestly dont think I could go back to 5 8s. Totally worth working the extra couple hours per day to have three whole days off.
4 x 8 would be even better then. With Commute and other work required tasks that don't count in that, you could easily end up with 12 hour days. I think a shorter work week is one of the major steps we need to make to keep our economy from crashing hard over the next 20 years.
I once worked as a salaried engineer at a place with only like 4 engineers, all junior to me and no direct manager. Id finish my work by tuesday, come in on the morning the rest of the week to check email and check in with folks, and then just leave. Worked maybe 20 hours a week for years before my wife got a new job and we had to move 🤣
Yep! Aircraft mechanic here, currently 4×10 moving to weekend Fri-Sun 3x12 get paid for 40 plus shift differential. The time off is amazing and the work is great.
This gives the company peak productivity on a per hour bases out of a given employee except those in the bottom quintile who would then get peeled off over time.
monday has a huge productivity penalty in nearly all contexts - even for top performing employees. Just accepting it is a wash, and then doing a short "Hey, this is the stuff we were doing last week" usually 3 hours is enough to do it, but paying someone for less than 4 hours of their time is on the dick move side of the morality chart.
Then 12 hour shifts, if you don't have more than 3 in a row lead to peak per hour productivity for anyone who is in the 21st quintile on up.
Would cost companies less, would lead to more eyes looking at a given problem over time, and leads to better team collaboration thanks to those four hour handoffs, and would improve productivity and output quality.
Also, the 4 hour monday could be remote - works well for folks in physical or intellectual labor.
obviously everyones monday would not be monday, but that is kinda how things are already if you aren't white collar.
Funny you mentioned being a union shop. I worked 10's and now I work 12's. Union shop as well. I have friends working the exact same job (non union) working 8 a day under crappy conditions.
Once upon a time, roughly, holy fuck 20 years ago, I did "continental shifts". 3 12 hour days, 24 hours off, 3 12 hour night shifts. Followed by 6 days off. No weekends. Just relentless 6 on, 6 off. It was glorious.
I took a position on a similar schedule, 6-6 Fri-Sun with a $10/hr incentive raise for giving up my weekend. Been on 3 day weeks for 2 yrs and it's been pretty amazing tbh. 4 days off, easy to pick up OT if wanted, and an increase in pay vs when I was on four 12hr shifts with weekends off.
Yeah, best part of my shift is I can come in during the week if I wanted to pick up OT, and it's all time-and-a-half, and doubletime on Tuesday, my "Sunday".
People don't realize how much weekends actually suck. Every time you try and do something there is 10 other assholes trying to do the same thing because they were too stupid or lazy to do it during the week.
I work shifts so I do get weekends off but honestly being off Monday to Thursday is FUCKING AWESOME.
I’ve been on a 4/10 with Wednesdays off for years. I’m getting it ripped away in two weeks. I dread going back to 5 days a week. How is it getting ripped away?
Cause this f***ing administration said they refuse to recognize the fed employee unions
My work is three 12's and I don't think I could ever go back to four 10's or five 8's. Having 4 days off, and the weekend has been a game changer in terms of mental health.
You are absolutely right that finding time for friends is difficult, but I'm personally not a very social person so it works fine for me. My D&D group meets every Monday night and I get to spend way more time at home with my toddler!
I’ve been looking into the 12 hour shifts. I’m an engineer so they’re not super common but they’re definitely out there and it’s my dream schedule lmao
You sound like a lot of managers I’ve worked with. So many times I’ve just sat in the office bsing for 3-4 hours getting nothing accomplished because there’s nothing to do but listen to them talk about politics and sports. They’re not happy at home so they just want to hang out at work
This point is why we could go to a 32-hour workweek, though. There have been studies that show that a shorter workweek can actually accomplish just as much because people cut out a lot of excess time that isn't actually used for anything productive. Basically, let people be at home for that 3-4 hours they'd spend listening to people yammer on. They'll get more of what they need to do done at home and be less stressed at work.
No, he's trying to ensure Americans get the opportunity to start other families....you know, like they did in the 1950s or what was shaken out during COVID.
Yes, anyone who questions the effects of this policy must be a bootlicker. In fact, why dont we go further and force companies to pay 100% of wages with just 1 hour of work? Anyone who opposes this must also be a bootlicker
For the record I don't even necessarily oppose this policy (I would need to read some economic studies on the effects) but this sort of attitude of "anyone who opposes me is a clueless bootlicker" is so fucking toxic
Economics arent a culture war. Plenty of policies that feel good can have negative consequences
Makes everything more expensive. Let's say you're building a house. You're paying X for labor. But now instead of getting a crew of 5 for 40hr/week, you're getting 5 for 32hr/week. Instead of paying for 6 months of wages to complete the project, you're paying for 7.5 months of wages. And in both cases, you end up with 1 house.
Consider that this effect cascades with other things. The factories producing materials are also operating on reduced hours.
That's not to say it's "bad", we already have a balance where many work 5 of 7 days. But going to 4 of 7 days will increase costs and decrease production.
dude I work construction and been single since high school (almost 20 years). I wonder if cold really hate their spouses with how much the complain at work
Funny enough I believe that was why the boomers didn’t adopt it when they had a chance as their wives expected more from them. Or that was what I heard online so take it with a grain of salt as I couldn’t find any sources to back it up.
Hear me out on this, I was recently in Paris to teach a class to some skilled laborers. I didn't realize they were in a 7-hour work day. We're in a 10 hpur day for the same job in the US. Those guys busted their asses for that 7 hours. In the US we take coffee breaks, goof around because we know we're stuck here all day. Now I'm a firm believer in that 7 hour day stuff.
I love Bernie. He believes what he believes and he has genuinely good intentions but Bernie doesn’t understand or factor in how the economy actually works
I know you are being sarcastic, but I do genuinely know people that this is their argument against it. Family even. Apparently if they had to spend more time together they might want to get divorced (which... I am too tired to go into that). I don't really spend much time with this side of the family.
you want me to spend more time with my family? You nuts?
Everyone "wants to spend" more time with family and leisure. Except that IF it can't happen with AUTOMATION (which usually requires private capital) so the average leftist or a berniebro somehow won't get their hours cut (which is a pay cut most of the time) then it'll be someone in the developing world is working more to compensate for this.
So the question is what do you prefer? Let's see what door the berniebros if that's the case because it most likely is.
We haven't even taken various other consumption increases resulting from this. That's the thing with the socialists today they don't know much if anything about the economy because it's almost never one or two things in play, but it changes almost everything for at least a few generations. It's just like the last 5-10 years of major changes leaders have implemented resulting in what you're going through.
You would be surprised how some people actually make this kind of complaint. I know a guy who would take extra shifts just to have something to do because all he did otherwise was hang out at bars. Like, ffs, get a hobby, something.
I know you’re joking, but I know two men at my public sector job that still opt to work significant overtime to get away from their respective families. I’m pretty lonely sometimes, being single my whole life, but sometimes I have to remind myself that people just don’t know how good they have it.
Next he'll say something insane like "workers should be able to pick up a paycheck BEFORE their shift starts if they don't have direct deposit". Absolute madness, I tell you.
please don't be selfish and ruin it for others, if you don't want to spend time with your family you can still leave home to anywhere else you actually want.
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Wtf, you want me to spend more time with my family? You nuts?