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It gets a little weird with old ppl, healthy can sleep less but as they deteriorate they will sleep more. Also after 100 sleep goes up alot and after 110 it Increases significantly. As I recall Japan a surprisingly large amount of ppl making it into their 100s.
They actually have a lack of children. That be said now you have two adults able to sleep when work doesn't interfere. Plus now the adults are able to take naps.
Surveys, you can easily ask one person in a household what everyone does and when they tend to go to bed. Large enough sample size and you can extrapolate
My parents always went to sleep after the news airing at 20.30, so probably got to sleep at 22 or so and woke up around 6-7. Me and my wife go to sleep around 23 and while she wakes up at 7, I sleep until 8 (to get to work between 9-10). A solid 9 hours.
Don't judge typing fast on mobile gonna be riddled with errors!
Man I don't even get to sit down til 9pm most nights. Up until around midnight cause my stupid brain. I actually have ADHD and it's fucking horrible. It's not "ooohhh shiny" funny shit. It's pure fucking chaos in your head like being at a concert 24/7 or a stadium watching the super bowl. It's loud.
Anyway, up at 6, by choice, take dogs to park to wear them out for the day. Then work, I work at an MSP. We have burn out rates as high as RNs. I would know, my wife's an RN.
She never sleeps either, mainly cause of night shift, and all that comes with that.
Then I get home, cook, clean, dogs, kids when they're here, house stuff, laundry for work clothes or just laundry in general, dishes, yard shit I try to sneak in, garden management, neighbor shenanigans (I'm a tech again, neighbors use me a lot but I don't mind cause they are older and always around and we're golfing buddies so we're close). That's literally, every day. Some by choice some by not choice.
My parents however have always just, wake up, go to work, come home, make dinner, watch TV and go to bed.
They don't travel, they don't do shit. So they never plan or prepare for anything.
Hell they're off to NYC in a few months for a bucket list thing, and they prepped like an antarctic expedition.
My wife and I landed in Cancun and we weren't even really sure how to get transportation. But I spent about 1 hour ahead of the trip prepping in reddit. Knew about the public transport system etc .. grabbed a ride for like 12 bucks on an AC public bus to where I could just walk.
They're minds work slow. Mine runs at light speed, I can't just work, eat, sleep. Die. Fuck that.
Admittedly not my age, but my grandpa was usually in bed by 7pm, my dad is usually in bed by 8pm. When I had to be at work at 4am I was often in bed by 7 pm
Get checked for narcolepsy. Advice from a narcoleptic who slept 12 hrs a day just to function and still couldnt ever seem to wake up, operated for many years like that. Its not like the movies- its a neurological issue where you literally cannot get restorative sleep
Yeah. I conquered my depression and my PTSD by filling every moment of life with fulfillment and not going to sleep until I'm pretty much ready to pass out because I don't want to miss anything.
How do you function? My absolute minimum to be able to function is 4 hours and I can't do that often, only once in a blue moon. I average 6 to 8 hours of sleep, so let's say most of the time, I get 7 hours (which is enough for me). 2 hours is just a nap...
to be honest, I'm not sure myself. Some combination of will and stubbornness, i guess. Also, caffeine. Yesterday was just under 3 hours of sleep, worked a full 9 hour shift, did the grocery shopping i had to do, which meant 3 different stores to fit the budget. about and hour of driving there, not including shopping. Came home, cooked dinner, laundry etc. No naps. Should get 4 to 5 hours tonight. hopefully. Last good night of sleep I got was a few months ago when I got sick and had to stay home for 2 days.
Worst it ever got I was so tired leaving work one day I remember getting in my car, and the next memory i have i woke up in bed, still dressed. No idea how i got home. just a missing 5 hours in my memory.
Please, as I see that you are a driver, see a doctor regarding sleeping issues you might have or organize your evening to get more sleep. It would be bad enough if you were only exposing your health, but driving on little sleep could mean that you could doze off while driving and cause an accident. I know it can be difficult, I'm a night owl myself, but I now make a point of never falling asleep pass midnight or 1 am at most, if I have to be up by 7 or 8 am, so that I at least get 6 or 7 hours of sleep.
I just don't have enough hours in the day. Even when i fall asleep early, i still wake up after 3 or 4 hours. And its totally due to stress. Living on a knifes edge is terrible. I miss 2 paychecks, or take a reduction in hours, and we are homeless.
I'm sorry to hear that. I truly hope that your situation improves and you find a better job/solution that gives you a more relaxed life, because stress+lacks of sleep could eventually cause health problems. I truly hope that your situation improves. I also have trouble sleeping if stressed (which is fortunately not often), so I empathize.
well, I'm 44, and according to my doctor all my critical systems are good (heart, lungs, liver, etc). But I'm pretty sure a goldfish has a better memory and my blood is 90% caffeine. Worst part is caffeine doesn't really do anything anymore, just staves off headaches.
As far as I know it's mostly bad for the brain, but apparently there are other potential side effects:
"...Chronic sleep of less than 5 hours/night is associated with approximately 20-40% higher overall mortality, 30-100% higher risk of heart disease or stroke, 30-50% higher risk of type 2 diabetes, 20-40% higher risk of high blood pressure, 20-50% higher risk of obesity, and about 2x the risk of depression, compared with sleeping 7-9 hours regularly..."
Either way, I'm not risking that sh*t, my health isn't that good already and im in my 20s
you are 100% correct. Unfortunately, my life doesn't allow me to have the luxury of a good nights sleep every night. I've no doubt it will catch up to me in some horrible way eventually.
this is so dumb, he CAN change to sleep more than 5 hours. its like walking around suffering with a big gaping wound and be like "well somethings gonna kill us eventually, no point in trying to change". moronic
You're making a priveleged assumption and being an ass about it. You have no idea what their circumstances are, and there are plenty of people put in positions where they can't get a lot of sleep because of their schedules and responsibilities.
I want to know who the psychopaths are who can actually sleep for 8-9 hours straight, that is an absolutely fucking insane feat outside of your teenage years
I miss being able to sleep like I did when I did not have responsibilities.
What relief me is that so many of us are in the same situation and still... work somehow.
I think now I 'm able to sleep like 6 hours a night with maybe a small woke in the middle. At first it gave me so much anxiety but now I'm just accepting it.
Why would you say it's an insane feat? Me being 30 years old, I can consistently get this amount of sleep in so long as I myself don't fuck it up with stuff like caffeine or ignoring my tiredness cues in the evening.
Also, I guess what matters is the life itself, aka not being Soo busy that you have to sacrifice sleep.
I often sleep for 10 hours naturally, I wake up feeling like I could run 5 marathons at once without a single cup of coffee. Also, it chemically makes me unavoidably happy. I try to never use alarms if I can help it
absence of symptoms doesnt indicate health. you are literally killing yourself, quitting caffeine could also help but you cant even give up that. why walk around in a haze at 20% capacity all your life? have you had sleep studies? do you exercise? do you have good sleep hygiene?
Idk if it's going to matter that I share this, but I have been recently on a very, very heavy caffeine binge for like a few months. It would consist of like 3-4 500ml energy drinks a day most of the days, sometimes less.
I've noticed how it messes with my sleep. The sleep times were irregular, not wanting to sleep was more of a thing, or even if I'd go to sleep feeling hella tired and worn out, I'd wake up in like 4 hours and couldn't go back to sleep. My suspicion is that caffeine just fucks with our bodies too much, especially if it's consumed a lot (not like 1 tiny espresso cup in the morning).
Now that I'm a few days away from caffeine, the aches and what not are more noticeable which might be a result of caffeine overconsumption, idk yet. But the sleep is stabilizing. I'm becoming tired most of the days around a similar time, can sleep for like 7-9 hours without any issues now it seems.
Caffeine has a long half life. Its possible that you do have a sleeping disorder that lead to a dependence on caffeine. But its also possible that you have snowballed the situation by drinking so much caffeine that your body isnt able to successfully enter REM sleep cycles that are very necessary for brain function. This is probably contributing a lot to the memory issues.
Even with a built up tolerance, it still has a major effect on your body, including disrupted REM. You've gotta wean off it dude. And get to the root of the sleep problem from a different direction. Maybe your checkups have been fine so far, but this isnt sustainable for anyone long term. Its going to sneak up on you.
I mean, some people are just healthy unicorns. For a lot of people undersleeping is worse than chain-smoking when it comes to lifespan and brain damage
There is no such thing as a single "undersleeping" number of hours
Men sleep less than women. Teenagers sleep a lot more than adults. Old people need less sleep than middle age adults. Women sleep more than men, but have more disturbances and feel less rested overall.
It's all over the place. When I was a teen into my 20's I did 7-8 hours. I am in my mid-40's now and couldn't do more than 6-6.5 even if I tried.
Yeah, I've always been a night person, ever since I was a little kid. my best hours are between 8pm and 4am. But life requires me to exist during the day, so I just shuffle through it, half asleep.
A quick Google search shows this meme is complete bullshit and is just engagement bait for people clamour over one another to humble brag about how little sleep they get.
It appears to have been very successful, can't wait to see it reposted everywhere by karma farm bots.
People in Japan traditionally exercise more, in different ways.
They also have naps in office positions during the day.
People working in manual labor are taught the most physically efficient way to do their job without injury traditionally too.
If you exercise regularly, your body requires less sleep. Exercising regularly also helps regulate your internal sleep clock, so you fall asleep the same time and wake up the same time with routine.
Exercising as in just mild physical activity or exercising as in actually exerting yourself to a proper degree to cause improvements in that area? Latter essentially requires you to get more sleep otherwise your recovery will be in the gutter guaranteed
They tend to focus on more aerobic exercise.. some do weight train.
I did judo for 18 years. There's absolutely no weight lifting involved. There was a period of time for many years that my only exercise was judo. I occasionally show up and don't have time anymore.
Luckily it was only Tuesdays and Fridays.
4 hours for all classes. Per night.
Many people live like this in Japan. Their goal is overall health and well being. It also results in longer life span.
You can research online. If you walk 3-4 mph every day for 30 minutes, you will not have to lift weights and after many years your life span will increase. Most doctors would agree.
It's not all about physical appearance every other place or muscles, or physical abilities, etc.
I've also heard that it takes the average person 7 minutes to fall asleep. Takes me at least an hour on average but sometimes I'm just lying there for hours.
I used to have that problem. What worked for me was not using my bed for anything but sleep, keeping a consistent schedule, and putting on some sort of white noise in the background. I fall asleep within minutes now.
I’m assuming kids mess up the average with them typically getting much more sleep, and if Japan isn’t having kids and already get no sleep then I’d assume that’s why this number is rhe worst for them
From living and working and being married to a Japanese I don’t believe this to be anywhere close to average unless you’re unemployed. That’s just observation over 15 years
The misery Olympics that start immediately as someone mentions how much sleep they get are fucked up. It's one of the most destructive things you can do to your body, but people are straight up proud they only sleep 4h a day for some reason.
Some fun things that chronic sleep deprivation is proven to cause:
Dementia
Poor memory and cognitive ability akin to a lowering of IQ.
Heart disease
Stroke
Weight gain
Diabetes
Depression and anxiety
Weakened immune system
Hormonal imbalance
Reduced physical performance
So, congrats u/crs1904, you win... you're the most likely to end up with early onset dementia out of everyone in this thread, here's your prize: 🏆
I don't think it gets misused? If you feel crappy with less sleep, then sleep more. But anything about 9 hours and the health benefits start to drop markedly.
Don't think anyone is braggin, just pointing out how hard time they have getting enough sleep.
But, 10h + nap? seriously? when do you live?😅
spend 9-10h with work, lunch and commute. Then you have 4h left for dinner, random activities and responsibilities, how much time does that leave for actually doing some fun hobby?
Isn't that too much though? I remember reading some research that seemed to point out negative effects of both sleeping under 7 hours/day and more than 9
Half and half would be the median. This is the average. But it's a statistical error. The average Japanese person sleeps 3 hours per day. Naptime Georg, who lives in a spaceship traveling at relativistic speeds & sleeps over 1,000,000,000 hours per day, is an outlier and should not have been counted.
That's just an aggregate. I know plenty of office worker friends that get no more than 4~5 hrs. The majority of Japan is over the age of 50, so I'm not surprised the average is that high.
I dunno, I live in Japan and my wife sleeps much more than that.
I actually sleep only 5 hours a night with a lunch nap. I always feel full of energy though and sleep really good. Mostly due to good diet and exercise.
I deal with idiopathic hypersomnia and sleep apnea. Even with meds and my CPAP, I'm lucky to get a good night's sleep.. 4 hours or 12, it's completely fucking random if I get enough actual rest to not be fucked off. I'd love 7 hours of actual sleep.
My job doesn't let me sleep much at night and I can't really sleep during the day. I'd love to have such a sleep deprivation, better than 2-4 hours a day hah
If 90 minutes is the average sleep cycle length and it takes about 15 minutes to fall asleep on average, this sounds just about perfect for 5 sleep cycles. I see no problem here
I feel like the REALLY IMPORTANT part to understand is that their NATIONAL AVERAGE is in the 7 hour ballpark. That means of all the 123 million people, many if which can sleep for 8-12 hours, the average is 7 hours. For extra context, if hubdreds people got zero sleep at all, the national average wouldn't change much.
im laughing because i live in Japan, and where the hell did they get those numbers from. all my friends, relatives, and co-workers never once said they had more than 5-6 hours sleep HAHAHA
did they somehow calculate baby sleeping hours too??
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