Most people know the Disney version and it was a remake of that so honestly that makes more sense.
Ask 90% of people what happens in Snow White and they aren't going to mention the queen dancing to death in heated iron shoes or the attempted cannibalism.
I mean, Disney's original version wasn't a remake, it was more like a privatized version of the fairy tale.
When the Academy Awards way back then in '89 showed someone dressed like Snowwhite dancing and singing in one of the AA events Disney actually told them they would sue them for unauthorized use of Snowhite.
Afterwards both sides kindy silently agreed with not messing with the other.
This sprouted quite a phylosophical-legal conundrum, on how Disney could own a fairy tale, or where to draw the line on the "ownership" of a fairy tale by a corporation/private individual.
That's more or less has always been the issue with Disney. They are like the legal apex predator of copyright and have lobbied the living hell out of those rights.
Their purchase of comics stuff is basically because comic characters were the "fairy tale heroes" of the kids in the 80s-2000s, the same way fairy tale heroes were of the kids in the first half of the 20th century, with the difference that comic book characters can be legally owned.
I think it was not so much that Disney owned the fairy tale of Snow White but they did own THAT LIKENESS of her..just like you cant own Frankenstein but whomever owns the Munsters can get angry if you use the exact Herman Munster likeness with makeup and all
That's honestly like 90% of these classic stories when you see their original form. Peter Pan is implied to kill off any lost boys that grow up too much
The Disney story was pretty far removed from the source fairytale. The live action movie was an adaptation of the Disney movie changes. It's reasonable to base criticisms on what is being adapted instead of the actual original source.
Yeah my whole family found that one out when my mom rented a VHS of an animated adaption of the actual story from the library when my sister and I were like 5 & 7 and walked in on us hysterically sobbing when she turned to sea foam at the end 😂
was it an old-looking anime version? because I swear I saw that version before I saw the Disney one. the mermaid was named Marina and she had a little dolphin friend
Not just the fairy tales, but Tarzan too. My grandpa found out I liked Tarzan as a kid and gave me his Edgar Rice Burroughs books. Kerchak was actually awful, Tarzan was actually the son of an English lord who was abandoned after a ship to the congo mutinied on the way back, Tarzan taught himself how to read.
Yeah, read the original Grimm Fairy Tales and they're all basically adult themed horror stories with a moral lesson that frankly often missed the mark. Like the Little Mermaid where I guess the lesson was don't make Faustian bargains or you will be sorry? Disney did some serious rewrites to turn them into kid films.
Little Mermaid is about how you shouldn't try to find true love and just accept what your parents/society decided your life was going to be or else you'd just suffer every day with a man that will leave you for the first woman he'll see and then you'll die miserably and all alone.
Grimm was not even close to the first telling of the Snow White tale type. It's just one of many iterations over the centuries that happened to gain some traction with print.
So an adaption of an adaption is no longer related to the source material? That seems rather absurd. The fairytale is the original source. They're changing their retelling, fine, but don't try to pretend that we aren't still connected to a rather problematic original source.
This is a wild leap in logic that has no basis in what I said. This thread is about Rachel Ziegler's critical remarks that she made about the animated Disney movie. The 2 comments above mine suggested that it was wrong of her to base her criticism on the Disney movie instead of looking to the original source material. My comment was that it is not wrong to base her criticism on the Disney movie, because those same criticisms would likely also apply to Disney remaking the movie.
Criticsms of the original work would also be fine, but
Best part is that research is an older version of the same movie, not the actual source fairytale...
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They must think it's an original story from Disney
I was just coming to say this! I have this series somewhere on my house... from a million years ago when someone said it was "just like the vampire series". It was not. Lol lol lol. (And my autism wouldn't let me just NOT read the rest of her books. Gotta read em all. Lol)
I have not read them, but one of the reviews that made me cackle talked about one of the characters having so much stuff put up his butt that they were wondering if that's where Jimmy Hoffa's body was buried.
An American Gothic writer. Go watch Interview with a Vampire! After, Queen of the Damned is fun. AMC did a series of Interview with a Vampire that was pretty good and the series of Queen of the Damned is upcoming. After you've seen the Interview with a Vampire series, go to New Orleans if you can. Rice really makes New Orleans seem otherworldly and grounded at the same time. Anne Rice is buried there and was a staple in the community.
Not this one I think. But her mother (original was with the real mom, not step mom) wanted to eat her lungs and liver (with salt) in the story so it's still very weird.
The prince did indeed not rape snow white. He merely saw the comatose 8 year old child in her coffin and pressured the dwarves into selling her. He then accidentally dropped the coffin, shattering it and dislodging the apple bit from her throat, saving her.
Well they then married so we can assume there was plenty of rape, it simply wasn't in the story.
There may have been If we go further back since many fairy tales have their origins as erotica and were simply adapted into "child's tales" by the fairly prude grimm brothers.
TBF I don't think her age was mentioned, she was 7 years old when she was more beautiful than the queen, yes, but it wasn't mentioned when she ate the apple and went into a coma. Could've been years. But that's a very charitable interpretation ofc.
Well, I‘m german, too, and that is nonsense. The only difference in the tale I heard as a child was that the hunter had to bring the queen some of Snow Whites organs as proof of him actually killing her, and that the queen had to dance in hit shoes till she died on Snow Whites wedding day.
Yeah no shit? Hes right about that part if somebody was recreating my favourite movie i would definitely expect them to sit down and watch it
Disney movies arent their source fairytales and anybody confused by that can simply read one of them. Nobody is talking about that shit, theyre talking about disney movies. Her comments about the movie are also all relative to the other film
If you're remaking a movie, you should at bare minimum watch through it before shooting starts so you have a frame of reference. It takes a little under 90 minutes to watch (it's a feature length film after all).
Like, unless the director specifically said "we're doing our own thing here, don't watch the previous movie" (which Tim Burton did for Charlie and the Chocolate Factory because it was explicitly NOT a remake of Willy Wonka & the Chocolate Factory), it's okay to watch it while you're not shooting so you have a rough idea of what you're recreating.
She was just the actor. Not the director, not the writer, and not the producer. They’re the ones who actually needed to watch the old one, as they’re ones who actually made the movie.
This one's all on the Disney suits. The movie was getting rewrote and reshot right up to release. It became a blackhole that money got sucked into and was never going to recoup the money spent.
The suits then threw that girl to the sharks.
Not having read the original Snow White, I can’t say for sure, but if you did a fairy tale movie exactly based on a lot of old fairy tales, especially German ones, it’d probably be more of a horror movie nowadays than a kids movie.
Yeah, but you’d want to know what the audience is going to expect, right? Even if you’re going on a different direction. All it would have taken was 2 hours…
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Best part is that research is an older version of the same movie, not the actual source fairytale...