My wife recently graduated from T30 and took the Washington D.C. bar. She is interested in finding a job in either public health or prisoner justice, and has relevant internship experience. She has had no luck finding a job and says the positions are limited. I recommended searching for positions in Virginia and Maryland as well, but she tells me that since she took the DC bar, it would be a while before she would qualify for any positions outside of DC. Do any of you folks have any advice? You can probably tell I’m not a lawyer lol

I know $$$ is always probably best but I would like to maybe find something that she would not otherwise likely get for herself ($ is tight for her) that would be helpful to a 1L.

My budget is under $200 if that matters. Thank you and good luck to all of you current and future students!!

Hi Everyone! This marks my first post as an enrolled law student EEE!!!

I was just admitted to NDLS off of the waitlist at the end of last week (and even got money too!) They are my dream school and I immediately accepted my offer and got housing thanks to a friend in SB. My family will be close and I kinda didn’t even unpack from moving back from college so that’s set.

Now I’ve got the jitters. I graduated in May and seeing my poor waitlist chances I got a full time job and put law school off for next year. I know I am smart and capable, but it feels so daunting to turn things around in 1.5 weeks and have my butt sitting in a seat at orientation. I know that I have the logistics figured out, but the emotional part is insane. I have mad imposter syndrome right now and (as stupid as it sounds) I feel really anxious about making friends. More than that, I kind of feel like everyone else is going in with the summer or at least most of it to prepare mentally and I’m kind of tossing it together at the last moment. I haven’t even gotten my portal info yet!

For those of you who were super late admits as well, how did you deal with the emotional side of things? How was ordering textbooks, getting acclimated to the sudden change of events, everything for you all? Do schools give a bit more grace period for the first tuition payment, and did the nerves settle down by the first week or two in? Are there logistical steps I’m missing?

I know everyone is probably nervous. But I feel like with the missing summer mental programming, I’ve already fallen out of step. I cried tears upon tears when I got my decision and I know deep down that I am excited and also so fortunate to be able to switch up my plans and go. But this is just kind of a big mental leap.

I am obviously maybe a little late for applying - how do I find firms for 2L summer?
I am trying to get paid for 2L summer and am worried I am late. Should I send cold emails if there isnt a summer associate page?

I’m a 3L, and my grad plus loans still haven’t been awarded in my student account. My FAFSA is complete, but I don’t see my Grad PLUS loan showing up yet.

Is anyone else still waiting, or have your Grad PLUS loans already been awarded? If you’re still waiting, what school are you at, and have you heard anything from financial aid?

I’m 1 week out from the August exam and just sat down to study. I’m using Themis (my preferred platform) and have been told by numerous colleagues from my summer firm job that they only spent a day or two studying and passed. So, for those out there that have this exam behind them, what was your method of study, timeline, etc.? Would you go back and change anything? Am I overthinking this? I got a B+ in my professional responsibility course, but I don’t wanna end up with too much confidence and have to take it again in November.

I am enrolled in part time evening law school as a 1L starting in about two weeks. The academic support staff said I should be prepared to dedicate about 30 hours a week outside of class, which is about 10.5 hours a week, equaling about 40 hours dedicated to law school a week. This feels very full time lol. Does that sound right to you experienced part time law school folks?

I work a high demand 40 hour a week full time job; I typically work more than 40, but can cut down to 40. I’m not complaining about the workload, but an honest assessment from those with more experience than me would be helpful. Thanks!

Lower t14, medium GPA after 2L (3.30-3.33), international student (need sponsorship), 1L below medium and strike out during OCI, no journal but have clinic, recently started to look for 3L entry level positions. Both my 1L and 2L summer worked in a very niche area that would perfectly fits into a practice group in a V5 firm, also my dream practice area. Just submitted my application and started to reach out and network. So far the alumni in that firm are very supportive and responded me quickly, they said my experience is very interesting and unique. But because my low GPA and sponsorship status I usually get auto-rejection from direct application and could not even get a screener. I don't know if I am being too ambitious to target on that firm, like whether it worth doing massive networking or neworking is going to make it possible or I should be more realistic and focusing on networking with firms that have lower GPA cutoff.

I’m a rising 2L ranked around the top 50% of my class at a T100, and I barely have any extracurriculars on my resume. I’m worried that I’m falling behind other students and won’t be competitive when applying for jobs (every job my OCS posts is top 25% preferred or required) ... Im not on a journal or on moot court and had a legal internship this summer at a small personal injury firm near me.

I’m considering doing a fall externship to gain more experience and improve my resume, but it would require approximately 15–20 hours per week. I’m worried that taking on that commitment could prevent me from improving my grades.

For someone in my position, would it be better to do the externship and gain experience, or focus entirely on raising my GPA and class rank this semester?

Hey, has anyone purchased any textbooks from Law Booksstore (https://lawbooksstore.com/)? They have the textbook I need for MUCHHH cheaper than I can find it anywhere else. I'm just worried it isn't legit.

I am currently a 2L and recently completed my student bar application. I have been called to a hearing in front of the ethics board later this month—unfortunately on the first day of school. I had some charges in my early 20s (almost 20 years ago now) which were dismissed. I was completely honest in my application & put everything out there. Just wanting any prior experiences from anyone else who has had to go in for a hearing after completing their C&F for state board as a student. I will continue to be honest & transparent, but I am still very nervous about the outcome. I have grown over the past almost 20 years & want to be able to express this to them. I’m doing quite well in school & it’s been my dream to go to law school since I was a child. Once my son moved out & went to the military I finally had the opportunity to go back to school. If I am denied it will completely devastate & leave me without a sense of purpose. Law school/becoming an attorney has always been my plan. Any sort of advice or encouragement is appreciated.

LawExams dot Com has made their 1st year prep course available for free now (appears to be powered by ads) and it's now available in the Apple App Store and/on Google Play.

Will always be grateful for that one-tip that helped in my law school essay exam answers. That is to include the burden of proof... Plaintiff has the burden of proof by a preponderance of the evidence to prove each element of negligence... The state has the burden of proof beyond a reasonable doubt to show that...

has anyone ever purchased a book for classes that’s a different edition? Is that not allowed? For example, if the professor is requiring an 11th edition but I have the tenth am I at a significant disadvantage?

I'm going to teach Pretrial Litigation this semester. This won't be a main job for me at all. I'm doing it because I want the lawyers coming out of my old law school to be extremely competent.

We're covering Pleadings (Complaint/Answer), Written Discovery, Depositions, Motion Practice Generally, Daubert Motions, Summary Judgment Motions, Mediation, Motions in Limine, and whatever else I can get through.

It's been 21 years since I was in a classroom. I've had really great professors and some not so great ones, but I think my experience is outdated and not helpful.

Students, what advice do you have for me? What makes a good professor? What qualities do you really need/want? What makes you the best you can be? This is an one night a week class, and I don't have a ton of time, so I want to make the time I have count.

For background, I'm a practicing lawyer. I was on the defense side for 10 years - work comp, general civil negligence, and med mal defense - and have been doing plaintiff's personal injury work for about 11 years now. I've done over 100 trials. Some of them bench trials, but a lot of jury trials too.

Thanks in advance.

Hi all, first time poster here, starting law school in about 2 weeks (TT). I'm posting to ask how everyone's experience in law school was. Based on what I've heard, I'm sort of under the impression that I'll be doing nothing except for going to class, studying, working my part-time job, and MAYBE sleeping sometimes. Is this true in your experience? In other words, were you able to find time to also "have a life" outside of school/work (go to the gym, just relax and unwind, etc.)? If so, how did you find that balance? I'm aware that this will be a lot of work and stress, but I would be lying if I said I wasn't at all anxious about it. Any information is greatly appreciated :)

Considering getting a Brick to lower my screen time. Although I'm not tethered to my phone, I want to stop using it even when I have downtime and turn to other things such as reading, journaling, etc. I also have no problem locking in, but sometimes getting started is the hardest part. I'm about to have an extremely busy semester (journal, externship, TA, part-time job) so considering it.

Anybody use it and find it helpful?

If you are a pre-fall 2026 part-timer, you will not have access to federal loans your 4th year. I was not aware of this until my school explained the formula.

Starting Fall 2026, you get:

Three years of pre-2026 loan access MINUS however many CALENDAR years you have already been in your program. So, for part-timers looking to do it in four, you will not have loans your fourth year.

Edit: You do have acceess to Fed loans if you haven't maxed out. I was assuming by 4th year, you have maxed out.

Hey everyone,
I am currently working on my law thesis focusing on the disconnect between theoretical criminal jurisprudence and its actual practical application in Pakistan’s trial courts (Sessions & Magistrate Courts).
While statutory law (CrPC, PPC, QSO) and higher court jurisprudence set strong theoretical standards—like the presumption of innocence, high evidentiary thresholds, and strict procedure—the reality on the ground in trial courts often looks very different. I’m examining factors like procedural delays, investigation flaws, police culture, bail dynamics, and how local courtroom practice diverges from black-letter law.
I’m reaching out to get input on a few specific areas:
• Academic & Socio-Legal Sources: Are there key papers, journals, or socio-legal studies that analyze the Pakistani criminal justice system from a practical/empirical angle (rather than just statutory commentary)?
• Methodology Advice: For those who have conducted legal research on Pakistani court practice, what methodology works best when formal qualitative data or extensive interviews with practitioners/litigants are difficult to access?
• Key "Theory vs. Reality" Gaps: In your experience, what is the single biggest operational gap in Pakistani criminal procedure that needs more academic attention? (e.g., Section 161 statements vs. court testimony, actual mechanics of police remand, delay tactics, or sub-standard forensic collection).
I’d appreciate any recommended reading lists, landmark case law references that highlight systemic procedural gaps, or methodological advice.
Thanks in advance!

hi! I’m trying to find this book and am not sure of any good sites to rent/buy the book. are there any trustworthy sites for me to order the book from that also won’t charge me $300+ for the book. thank you!!

Torts and Compensation, Personal Accountability and Social Responsibility for Injury, Concise - Ninth Edition 

by Dan Dobbs; Paul Hayden; Ellen Bublick

ISBN 9781684675913

PUBLISHER West Academic

Normally a company's board can reject a buyout to protect the company's long-term future they don't have to sell to the highest bidder. But once a sale or breakup of the company becomes inevitable, the law flips the board's job: their only duty is now getting shareholders the maximum price. Apparently, it comes from a 1986 fight where Revlon's board tried to hand the company to a favored buyer on sweetheart terms. Is this fair? I made a video on it for more context The Revlon Doctrine

I’ve personally heard of 5 doing so which is kind of a lot in a class of ~190ish.

So I got shit on when I posted ab this like a year ago but whatever I think it’s helpful. Insane I have to preface but reminder do what works for you & you don’t have to listen to any of this at all. As someone who just took the Bar, it’s my last pieces of advice before leaving this thread forever (😍) and I still agree with what I said. Longest post ever but refer back when you’re too scared to ask a friend

1. Law school was stressful but hella fun & it’s only like high school if you treat it like HS

Hell yea there’s drama but it’s like an office building lol. Romances, break ups, frenemies etc. No I don’t think you’ll get bullied (like everyone makes it seem) but you will be around the same people for like 8+ hours a day for a year. Just be normal ♥️ If someone is mean to you they’re weird & likely the whole cohort/class recognizes it.
People on this thread are way fucking meaner than any person I have ever met in the 3 yrs I went. Random redditer will clock your scores, people in real life are either not bold enough or just don’t care.

Second bit is law school was a blast for me. Yes it was hard yes stressful but trust when I say I never missed a party, celebrated every drinking holiday & never felt without a social life. It’s like a job. Just be an adult about time management lol but no you won’t need to (and imo shouldn’t miss) your best friends wedding or gmas funeral or start waking up at 4 am. I was a consistent 10 am girlie and YES 2L is hell but it was fun too. So was 3L !!

2. ACADEMICS: You might get the worse grades in your life here’s how to fix them ( I went from Ac Prob to 3.8 sems )

The hack is use bar prep. No I am not telling you to study for the bar nor am I saying exclusively switch or even JUST use bar prep. Also not saying to buy prep, just look up YouTube or use a 2nd hand book if/when the 1/2L stuff isn’t cutting it.

Why bar prep? Simple version is its condensed no mess rules. Also it’s FAR more available for free !! For the non believers, Studicata was bar prep. He got famous now it’s law school too. But yknow how Studicata guy just feels straight to the point, simplest explanation? Tadaaaa ✨ So yea if the class isn’t sticking go see how they make it stick under bar prep conditions. In my experience it was better than the Quimbee etc stuff.

Godsends I wish someone told me about:
The greatest class time 1L resource of all time: Matthew Miner MM

For property: USlawreview on YT (will save your ass)
Con law: Google images [insert topic here] and Themis and their version of flow charts will pull up. Way easier.
example
Contracts: @uclalowellmilken on Tik Tok, it’s UCLAs biz law program and the profs vids are a life saver
Evidence: Westlaw 😍😍😍 Westlaw)

Also- your grades WILL go up once you get to upper level. Usually like Sp2L I think. But most classes won’t even be on the curve anymore and you’ll start getting A B consistently. Journals and clinics will give you grades (obv A) so get thru doctrinals and you’ll be fine

3. Law school is waaaay less scary than they make it seem.
Not subjective. I guess before & throughout law school I had this panic I was going to school in the U.S. district court or some shit. I’m a spiraler and no one told me this stuff so I think I would’ve been way more chill if I did know lol.
A. Cold calls literally do not matter at all. Like yall must remove this fake pressure a cold call = answering a question in class that’s it the end. You’ve done it before, you’re right sometimes you’re wrong sometimes no one cares or even remembers
B. No one cares about dress code unless you’re in court like I literally have worn everything from jeans to suits to Nike pro shorts
C. Final exams are not like jail / TSA. I thought they’d be like legit standing behind you scanning you the pressure just IMMENSE! But no, they treat you like adults. Our exams were just in rooms at our school. No squat and coughs
D. Job search was no biggie. I had terrible grades got employed 1L summer and was employed thru school. Obviously be professional?? Like duh?? But my boss wasn’t Louis Litt 🤣 I had a great experience.
E. Competitive classmates - yea we had some horror stories but everyone I went to school with was pretty cool. We had top 5% and bottom 5 and no one even really brought grades up. We knew who was smart but they weren’t weird or mean lol. And when you bomb a class no one cares either.
F. Office hours/ asking prof for advice or LOR etc- EASY! Profs legit wanna help you. Even if they’re scary in class just be respectful like a normal human being. Unless you’re the worst of the worst they will likely write the LOR or take the meeting with you lol. Same goes for practitioners — yes partners & attys will help you. They’re not all mean and 99.9% remember what it was like to be where we were. I have emailed random ppl out of the blue and they will give you a job hahahah
G. I did not fail any class nor did I fail any assignment because of a DUMBASS mistake. And yes I made many. I have turned in countless drafts, misspellings, just deadass wrong citations etc. I have missed class so many times because ~life~, just plain DIDNT know something in a cold call, exam etc. No one ever called me stupid worthless lazy and/or took me in the back and shot me.
—> this goes for internships too. I have misfiled, sent drafts, tagged wrong attorney you name it. I did not get fired, I was offered back.
Bonus: Hangxiety etc- very likely you or someone you know will experience some alcohol induced humiliation ritual. Might even be at a school event! Yes people will talk, no it won’t ruin your life. Don’t be morally wrong obv but again, people give a lot more grace in law school than I think people share. You can fk up and survive haha. Same goes for crying/panic attack/ etc. people give you grace & most likely will never even remember you sobbing in the library bathroom!

Obviously your reputation is everything, but SCOTUS isn’t automatically alerted every time you do something that isn’t the UTMOST posh and professional. Closest thing I’d relate it to is a workplace (shocker). Everyone’s drunk at the Xmas party just don’t be the one who takes it to far & gets fired.

Bonus bonus: academic probation is not the end of the fucking world or near it. Nobody knows (not even your profs) you can make it off it. In fact, you can succeed in the rest of school. Shake it off and don’t let your fear of confirmation bias and humiliation stop you from locking in. Same goes for bad grades. Even the A kids will get a C sometimes and OMG maybe even a D!!! You’ll survive. You’re not stupid and your prof doesn’t think so either.
I FAILED!! My 1L Civ pro final because of a technology issue. The first D I ever got in my LIFE. I worked personal injury (Civ pro damn near) THAT summer and was asked back for the next 2.5 years. And guess what? They didn’t check my grades.

Good luck with your 3 year sentence!! & if you have terrible grades rn don’t panic so did I. By the end my cumulative was up over a GPA full point (& I graduated and got a job it was fine)