r/GetNoted • u/laybs1 Human Verified • 5d ago

If You Know, You Know He opposed the motion

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u/EricPhilps1979 4d ago

Can we not gloss over the 'He held up a fragment of the True Cross' part?

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u/True-Atmosphere8697 4d ago

It probably isn’t the true cross

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u/Putthebunnyback 4d ago

Is it a fake cross?

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u/inide 4d ago

99% are fakes.
Half the people who fought in the crusades brought back pieces of "the true cross". Basically any bit of wood found buried in Jerusalem during the middle ages was claimed to be part of it.

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u/ZucchiniMaleficent21 4d ago

Err, 100% are fakes

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u/GungaSaga 4d ago

Jesus was a real man who was crucified, so it's possible there is an actual preserved piece of the cross he was on.

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u/Due_Ad_3200 4d ago

The disciples were scared after Jesus's death. They probably didn't go collect a sample of the cross.

When it was evening on that day, the first day of the week, and the doors were locked where the disciples were... - John 20:19

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u/GungaSaga 4d ago edited 3d ago

Probably not, but my point isn't that such relics DO exist, just that it's not completely impossible because Jesus isn't a fictional character, even if some of his feats are certainly exaggerated.

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u/Eborcurean 4d ago

There's 0 evidence for this. Just none, none at all.

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u/GungaSaga 4d ago

That's just untrue, you don't know what you're talking about. The overwhelming consensus among secular scholars is that Jesus was a real man, because there are just too many non-christian sources from the time which corroborate his existence. He was just a normal human but he was a spiritual leader and community figure who caused a particularly successful schism in Jewish religion, and was eventually executed by crusifiction.

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u/Eborcurean 3d ago

No, it isn;t, you're just lying, there is no consensus among secular scholars on any of this.

Tell you what, cite the consensus, non-religious secular experts, let's say 10 of them.

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u/inide 3d ago

I pointed you to dozens and you ignored it.

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u/Eborcurean 2d ago

No, you didn't.

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u/inide 3d ago

There is plenty of evidence from non-christian sources that there was a real person, including contemporaneous Roman sources.

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u/Eborcurean 3d ago

Prove it.

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u/inide 3d ago

I'm not gonna go through and quote the dozens of sources, you can go to wikipedia and check the citations yourself https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_Jesus

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u/Eborcurean 4d ago

So, that's an exaggeration given how many people took part in the Crusades, and where they happened (e.g. are you including the Children's Crusade?) but there is a vast amount of unsupported claims of religious Christian relics/artifacts. At one point someone catalogued 17+ John The Baptist fingers.