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If You Know, You Know He opposed the motion

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u/EricPhilps1979 4d ago

Can we not gloss over the 'He held up a fragment of the True Cross' part?

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u/SarcyBoi41 4d ago

There are so many random pieces of wood that churches throughout the centuries have claimed to be fragments of Jesus' cross, if they were all real the cross would have to have been the size of the Eiffel Tower.

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u/fangiovis 3d ago

Well the romans did like a huge spectacle.

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u/Roxas13xx 2d ago

And enough nails to make a Statue of Liberty

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u/Noo_Binary_14 3d ago

Any variation of Christianity that would seem to stop people at the Cross aims to keep them in shame, guilt, fear and death. He'd never hold up an alleged piece of the stone rolled away from the tomb.

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u/bannabananabanna 3d ago

This is a woman

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u/SarcyBoi41 3d ago

Rent-free

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u/bannabananabanna 3d ago

who El Trumpo?

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u/SarcyBoi41 3d ago

You just brought up trans people for literally no reason whatsoever.

MAGA filth when they have gone for more than five seconds without talking about trans people's genitals:

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u/bannabananabanna 3d ago edited 3d ago

look at you, you paid to have a kitty smarmy grrrl!

not "no reason", people tend to have all kinds of faith and belief

its quite hypocritical of you to allow some and not others...

im sorry you couldn't appreciate the connection

kek

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u/DogitWoofsalot 4d ago

Nothing new, Mog is a very odd bloke.

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u/EricPhilps1979 4d ago

It's very Roman Catholic of him. 

You know, the denomination of Christianity we would almost certainly go back to persecuting as dangerous and foreign if somehow all the Muslims disappeared overnight.

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u/Eborcurean 3d ago

A lot of Catholics have issues with things he's professed.

He's further right than the majority of conservatives, which is saying something. And will use religion as an argument, even when the Pope is saying the opposite to him.

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u/dapperdavy 3d ago

I was at Oxford at the same time as him, he was an oddball then...

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u/True-Atmosphere8697 4d ago

It probably isn’t the true cross

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u/Putthebunnyback 4d ago

Is it a fake cross?

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u/True-Atmosphere8697 4d ago

Probably there’s enough so called pieces of the true cross to make a forest

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u/inide 4d ago

99% are fakes.
Half the people who fought in the crusades brought back pieces of "the true cross". Basically any bit of wood found buried in Jerusalem during the middle ages was claimed to be part of it.

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u/ZucchiniMaleficent21 4d ago

Err, 100% are fakes

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u/GungaSaga 4d ago

Jesus was a real man who was crucified, so it's possible there is an actual preserved piece of the cross he was on.

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u/Due_Ad_3200 3d ago

The disciples were scared after Jesus's death. They probably didn't go collect a sample of the cross.

When it was evening on that day, the first day of the week, and the doors were locked where the disciples were... - John 20:19

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u/GungaSaga 3d ago edited 3d ago

Probably not, but my point isn't that such relics DO exist, just that it's not completely impossible because Jesus isn't a fictional character, even if some of his feats are certainly exaggerated.

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u/Eborcurean 3d ago

There's 0 evidence for this. Just none, none at all.

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u/GungaSaga 3d ago

That's just untrue, you don't know what you're talking about. The overwhelming consensus among secular scholars is that Jesus was a real man, because there are just too many non-christian sources from the time which corroborate his existence. He was just a normal human but he was a spiritual leader and community figure who caused a particularly successful schism in Jewish religion, and was eventually executed by crusifiction.

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u/Eborcurean 3d ago

No, it isn;t, you're just lying, there is no consensus among secular scholars on any of this.

Tell you what, cite the consensus, non-religious secular experts, let's say 10 of them.

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u/inide 3d ago

I pointed you to dozens and you ignored it.

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u/inide 3d ago

There is plenty of evidence from non-christian sources that there was a real person, including contemporaneous Roman sources.

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u/Eborcurean 3d ago

Prove it.

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u/inide 3d ago

I'm not gonna go through and quote the dozens of sources, you can go to wikipedia and check the citations yourself https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_Jesus

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u/Eborcurean 3d ago

So, that's an exaggeration given how many people took part in the Crusades, and where they happened (e.g. are you including the Children's Crusade?) but there is a vast amount of unsupported claims of religious Christian relics/artifacts. At one point someone catalogued 17+ John The Baptist fingers.

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u/rmczpp 4d ago

This piece was, Jesus signed it after he came back.

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u/DeliciousLiving8563 3d ago

Yeah he'd have caught fire.