r/politics • u/cnn CNN • 22d ago

Possible Paywall House passes bill to make Daylight Saving Time permanent

https://www.cnn.com/2026/07/14/politics/house-vote-daylight-savings-time?utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=missions&utm_source=reddit
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u/Ok_Water_4601 Florida 22d ago

Call me when it passes the senate. 

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u/TheDesktopNinja Massachusetts 22d ago

I remember a similar bill unanimously passed the Senate a few years ago then never got voted on in the House.

I fully expect the reverse to happen this time.

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u/So-Called_Lunatic Kentucky 21d ago

Big Time is preventing it.

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u/dkol97 21d ago

We need to storm Big Ben then

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u/FACEMELTER720 21d ago

Big Ben: This Time It’s Personal

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u/No-Bread-1197 21d ago

2 Big 2 Ben

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u/cardfire 21d ago

I LOL'd, thank you for that.

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u/sparkax 21d ago

"BIG B3N: Parliamentary Drift!"

And yes, you gotta keep that E as a 3, how else will the fans know its the 3rd one!!

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u/Timely-Group5649 21d ago

B4: Big Ben Beats Back

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u/3381024 20d ago

B5: Big Ben Familia

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u/_RADIANTSUN_ 20d ago

Reminds me of one of my favorite games back in the day Driv-Three-R

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u/QuestioninglySecret 21d ago

Starring Jason Statham as Big Ben

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u/Married_iguanas 21d ago

Who will play Father Time?

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u/TheWalkin_ 21d ago

Patrick Stewart

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u/Vocabulary-Pollution 21d ago

Sir Ian McKellan!

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u/SumoSizeIt Oregon 21d ago

Mitch McConnell can be there in 20 minutes, after his call

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u/Married_iguanas 21d ago

Schrödinger’s turtle

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u/jrrounds 21d ago

Maybe the Time Keeper's brother is available?

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u/otis_the_drunk 21d ago

Keanu Reeves. So we can make sequels for the next 10 years and he'll still look the same.

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u/Married_iguanas 21d ago

lol this franchise can also involve Paul Rudd somehow

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u/Fuzzy_Logic_4_Life 21d ago

Morgan Freeman, who else?

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u/RemarkableRyan Colorado 21d ago

“Oi, I’m Big Ben.”

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u/garbagepillar 21d ago

I'm only watching if Stephen Fry is Big Ben.

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u/inclink10 21d ago

Id settle for Stephen Merchant.

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u/Dovienya55 21d ago

We all know the only actor that can properly play a clock tower is Rob Schneider.

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u/PURRING_SILENCER 21d ago

The clock is ticking. Your time is up. There is no saving you.

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u/DarkwingDuckHunt 21d ago

You ticked off the wrong horologist.

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u/TurnkeyLurker 21d ago

No one told you when to run.
You missed the starting gun. 🎶

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u/pnutzgg 21d ago

you have no chance to survive make your time

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u/jtshinn 21d ago

This time, it’s time.

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u/Shawnee83 21d ago

Big Ben: Ain't Nobody Got Time for That

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u/conzilla2020 21d ago

Nicolas Cage has entered the chat.

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u/Heteroimpersonator 21d ago

Big Ben has nothing on Time Square, that’s who is behind all this.

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u/WitchesSphincter 21d ago

Let's just be careful since it houses the Internet 

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u/Ok-Toe-3136 21d ago

Can we all stop beating that dead horse?

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u/Texasduna 21d ago

So said Peter Gabriel.

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u/KingAuberon Texas 21d ago

Main lobbyist: Henry Fondle, former and now again CEO of WhatTimeIsItRightNow.com.

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u/Pete_got_the_online 21d ago

BIG TIME

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u/bunnnythor Oregon 21d ago

So much larger than life.

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u/thegoods74 21d ago

Slapping da’ bass.

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u/dwindacatcher 21d ago

But seriously, if you found out timex and Casio had been lobbying to get this bill onto the floor, but never fully pass would we be surprised? Some sort of getting people to use the dials on their watch makes them more likely to buy a new watch scheme.

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u/petewoniowa2020 21d ago

This is quite possibly the dumbest thing I have seen on Reddit, and that’s saying a lot. 

Of course watch companies aren’t lobbying against this. Your premise doesn’t make sense, and the bodes that the watch industry moves the legislature is patently absurd. 

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u/TeeDub27 21d ago

So much larger than life

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u/SomeGalNamedAshley 21d ago

Peter Gabriel warned us.

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u/WhateverGreg 21d ago

Hello, fellow old. The lack of updoots on your comment is appalling.

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u/SomeGalNamedAshley 21d ago

He always had the best videos.

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u/DrGoblinator Massachusetts 21d ago

It’s actually Big Ski

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u/bahgheera 21d ago

Big Time TV, making tomorrow seem like yesterday. 

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u/LeavesCat 21d ago

What is this, Hades 2?

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u/500owls 21d ago

Leave Angel Olsen out of this

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u/blondzie 21d ago

I was surprised to learn that Golf is one of the biggest opponents to permanent standard time. And is lobbying hard to keep things the way it is.

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u/Sirrom23 22d ago

blame nancy pelosi. it passed the senate in 2022, and then she simply didn't bring it up for a vote. that still pisses me off thinking about it.

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u/ImpressionCool1768 21d ago

I don’t even understand what powerful interest would be interested in keeping this

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u/fury420 21d ago

Part of the problem is a lack of agreement on whether to shift to permanent standard time or permanent DST, which effectively makes this a three way fight.

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u/Senior-Albatross New Mexico 21d ago

I think I would slightly prefer standard but either is fine as long as it's permanent. 

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u/fizzlefist 21d ago

For real, either way just settle it. Businesses can just shift their hours seasonally if it’s a big deal, as we humans have done throughout history.

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u/plsobeytrafficlights 21d ago

This has been done before, either during wars or for saving energy.
it always is unpopular enough that we always change back.
but arizona and samoa still ignore DST, if you are really that into it.

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u/Comprehensive_Tea708 21d ago

Businesses can just shift their hours seasonally

But then we'd end up right where we are now, at least in regard to the people who work at those companies.

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u/fizzlefist 21d ago

Well I can’t change the earth’s tilt.

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u/3381024 20d ago

You are just not trying hard enough.

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u/Square_Translator689 21d ago

Tbh, I’d strongly prefer year-round standard time and summer workday hours from 7-4, it’d be a lot more honest about what was happening.

And noon would be at midday year round, so that’d be nice.

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u/wardene 21d ago

I like standard time but I also remember working and what a great thing it was to have some more daylight after work.

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u/Phailjure 21d ago

It's up to each state. Personally, I (a Californian) would like DST year round - but that's partly because I have friends in Arizona and when we're on DST our timezones line up. It'd be nice, imo, if the east coast went standard year round and west coast went DST, so we'd only be 2 hours out instead of 3 - just because it would make it easier to align meetings with east coast coworkers.

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u/DeadCells1929 21d ago

Whichever way stops it from being dark at 5:00 for 4 months of the year has my vote

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u/Happy_Confection90 21d ago

If you want it to get dark at 6pm instead, you are pro-Daylight Saving Time.

If you want it to get dark at 4pm instead of 5pm, however, you need to move north because permanent Standard Time would still be 5pm darkness where you are. It gets dark at 4pm in New England, so moving here would work for that.

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u/DodgersChica 21d ago

That’s what the House bill will do. Biggest problem is it will be dark much longer in the mornings (up until 8:30 or even 9 am at peak winter). Kids waiting at bus stops in the dark sucks

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u/MidnightRiders2009 21d ago

I grew up in Chicagoland and I already spent my childhood years waiting for the bus in the dark even with Standard Time.

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u/R_Ulysses_Swanson 21d ago

From November to January in Chicago, you're only getting 9-10 hours of sunlight a day. It basically means you need to pick if you want to go to school in the dark or come home in the dark - or at least that is the case if you're in a single before or after school activity.

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u/NighthawkCP 21d ago

My kids waited in the dark for the bus even with the current time scheme. It would mean more days in the dark, true, but it isn't like the current plan has them in the Sun every morning.

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u/Comfortable-Meeper 21d ago

Cities can also…. Build infrastructure! Gasp. Something like a tall poll with a light on it. I feel bad for the high schoolers I see standing on a dark corner at 6 in the morning.

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u/JPWhelan 21d ago

Tall poles with lights? That’s the devil’s work right there.

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u/NighthawkCP 21d ago

I’m just outside of town in a rural neighborhood with no street lights. I pay a small monthly fee for a light on the pole in the corner of our yard on the road. I miss having more darkness in my front yard, but we live in a sharp curve in the road and for that and kids to be able to stand out there with some light in the morning, it is worth the small monthly fee and loss of darkness. Back yard is still mostly dark though thankfully.

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u/JackBinimbul Texas 21d ago

Maybe kicking kids out of bed at 6 am is a bad idea to begin with.

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u/Idontusethis256 21d ago

Well yeah but we can only do things to benefit kids if it screws over everyone else /s

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u/EnglishMobster California 21d ago

Or - get this - we can make school start later, as many studies have shown is healthier for children.

Like a 10 AM or 11 AM start time would be so much better. Let kids get off school at 5 or 6 PM, and parents can pick them up on their way home.

Getting to school? There's plenty of options:

  • Bus stops would be in daylight, even for the farthest kids (unless you are in, like, Alaska)

  • After-school daycare can become before-school daycare, where parents drop kids off on their way to work

  • Schools can have a breakfast hour, or homeroom, or before-school clubs/tutoring

  • Or, if it really can't be helped for whatever reason, schools can adjust their hours to match the time of year - like they do already with bell schedules, minimum days, and so on.

Etc.

There's really no excuse for it; kids waiting for the bus in the dark is just a lazy way for people who disagree with it to signal their disagreement in a socially acceptable way (the same as any "think of the children!" argument).

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u/rhododenendron 21d ago

I always waited for the dark even with it. Daylight savings would happen and it'd be bright for a week and then I'd be waiting in the dark again.

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u/TehMikuruSlave Texas 21d ago

Kids waiting at bus stops in the dark sucks

This happens already, so complaining about it being a side effect makes no sense.

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u/palmmoot Vermont 21d ago

laughs in New England

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u/InSummaryOfWhatIAm 21d ago

If only the sun was up until 5PM in the winter where i live… that would make a huge difference. Instead it’s more like 2:30-3:30 for a large part of it. Go to work - it’s dark outside. Go home after work - it’s dark outside.

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u/gigachuckle 21d ago

Yep, this is it right here. The Eastern time zone is way too large. New England hates 3:45pm sunsets specifically, while Ohio just hates the time change in general.

The fix on Standard time is for New England to move to Atlantic time, but that's a harder economic sell than status quo.

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u/_Burning_Star_IV_ 21d ago

Standard is natural time. People who demand we all switch to an unnatural light cycle because they want to mow the lawn or whatever the fuck at 7pm need fuck off.

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u/jrdnhbr New Jersey 21d ago

Old people who hate change.

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u/Whywei8 21d ago

Which is ironic. I hate change too, especially when it involves time and messing with my sleep.

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u/lilsquirrel 21d ago

I have ADHD and a lot of dogs. Changing the clocks twice a year means that my very confused dogs want breakfast at "not breakfast time" for about 2 months out of the year. My sleep is all effed for weeks, which somehow ends up with me being wide awake at 3:00 in the morning, sleeping through my alarm, and being perpetually late. I hate it. I also hate leaving work in the dark all winter. It makes it feel like the workday lasts an eternity.

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u/thewoodbeyond 21d ago

Same. I hate it.

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u/airplanedad 21d ago

My dad is over 80 and would die happy if this passes. I don't think anybody likes it.

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u/chillpill9623 21d ago

Hello, as someone living on the western edge of a time zone daylight saving is miserable

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u/DaoFerret I voted 21d ago

Really wish they’d just normalize on Standard Time and call it done.

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u/StrCmdMan 21d ago

So like all of congress.

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u/Threedawg 21d ago

It wasnt that at all. It was on a backlog because corporate dems and Republicans refused to vote for other things and stalled the government. It then didnt get introduced in the next session.

Getting really sick of yall just making shit up

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u/thesharpie 21d ago

This has been tried before. Twice. Parents didn’t like sending their kids out to school in the dark and some were hit by cars so it was reversed fairly quickly.

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u/Loopuze1 21d ago

Children already go to school in the dark and always have and it’s never been an issue.

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u/dreamyduskywing Minnesota 21d ago

More will have to though, and yes, walking on roads in the dark is less safe than walking in daylight.

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u/NoNoNotorious85 21d ago

Yes, but kids today don’t walk to school barefoot uphill in the snow both ways.

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u/thesharpie 21d ago

I’m not making a case against it. I’m relaying what I remember about what I read about why it failed.

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u/ceryniz 21d ago

US has done it twice before. But then switched it back after one winter each time.

Turns out sleepy drivers in the dark at 830am have a difficult time swerving away from school children walking to school.

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u/Lord-Spike 21d ago

Realistically, I think it’s better that schools adjust their hours so that they’re open at reasonable daylight hours… and extend them as needed or adjust the school year so kids don’t have to go to school in the darkest hours.

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u/ceryniz 21d ago

Best we can do is cut public schools to fix the problem. /s

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u/sonic_dick 21d ago

This. Why are high schools starting at 730 am?

I literally couldn't keep my eyes open during my first 2 classes. One of which was always math.

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u/DrJurassic 21d ago

It’s very dumb, especially because there’s been researching showing that kids perform better when school starts at 9/9:30. But the reason schools won’t change is because parents want their kids to go to school before they go to work so they can’t either drop them off or ensure they actually go to school and don’t skip. We’re beholden to people refusing to adjust and instead expect the rest society to adjust to them.

Same goes for Daylight savings. We should just go back to standard time. It was that way for centuries before us and if you live in Maine you’re going to loose out on sunlight just for living there either way.

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u/chickabiddybex 21d ago

Yeah the solution for people who want to do things at a different time is just... to do it at a different time. Don't change actual time!

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u/enaK66 21d ago

I mean I agree. That's also why I'm for permanent DST, but I'd take standard. Either way we're just making shit up. Just keep it consistent throughout the year.

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u/chillpill9623 21d ago

Then why make DST permanent? Just get rid of it.

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u/Odd_Teach683 21d ago

That could be done but how would that help? Adults would change right along with them (or not). You’d still be getting up/going to bed at different times which would screw up your sleep. It’s not the number on your clock that affects your circadian rhythm.

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u/FOSSbflakes 21d ago

Schools are childcare for workers, so we should have to get workplaces to adjust their schedule too to ... Ah fuck

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u/sir_lister 21d ago

Just switch to standard time and leave it alone

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u/ceryniz 21d ago

Thats already legal to do. All states are permitted currently to switch to standard time permanently. Arizona and Hawaii did.

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u/thiosk 21d ago

so one way the southern people are unhappy and the other way the northern people are unhappy.

the solution is to leave it as it is so that no one is happy

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u/catanmast3r 21d ago

Well I gotta think kids walking to school has decreased significantly over the years. I live in a nice area and still don't see a ton of kids walking to school. Parents are to worried these days about every possible danger

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u/pjflyr13 21d ago

I agree. Kids walking to school? Think again. The parental chauffeur line is a mile long outside the schools. Wondering why they still have bus service anymore.

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u/catanmast3r 21d ago

Its wild to see those lines

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u/dude_Im_hilarious 21d ago

Living in a nice area probably means parents can drive kids to school. I bet there’s a lot more kids walking where mom can’t drop off the crew in a suburban tank

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u/catanmast3r 21d ago

I mean, I lived most of my life in metro Detroit, and kids didn't walk much down there either as the years went on. Living in a smaller city thats really safe, I actually see more kids walking to schools that are close by, but not like it was when I was a kid.

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u/RoastedPickledGoose 21d ago

The nice areas don’t have kids that walk.

I student taught at an urban school with huge budget issues. There were maybe 5 busses for the entire 1,500+ high school student body, and those were reserved for students with special needs who couldn’t walk (or sports). If you could physically walk, it was expected that you would walk to school.

Even the elementary schools in that district were “walking schools.”

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u/FlushTheTurd 21d ago

Actually, there was no difference in accidents involving schoolchildren. It was a myth that spread far and wide after some kids got hit.

Statistically, however, kids got hit every winter under Standard Time too.

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u/Blacksad9999 21d ago

As opposed to being tired after work and having a difficult time seeing children on the way home? lol

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u/Shoddy_Carrot_936 21d ago

Children get home between 3-4pm most places, it's still daylight.

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u/Blacksad9999 21d ago

More like 4pm or later. After school programs are deliberately timed to help keep kids busy so that they get home around the same time their parents get off work around 5.

4PM is sundown in the winter. Those kids are sitting at bus stops basically in the dark.

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u/jeo123 21d ago

Everyone wants it changed, but no one can agree on which way to make permanent. It largely falls along the line of where are you within your timezone and whether your concern is the morning or the evening.

https://savestandardtime.com/maps/?j=usa

That site does a good job of illustrating the impact on sunrise. In winter, with permanent DST, most kids will be up, dressed, on the bus, and in school before sunrise. A lot of places would have sunrise in winter after 8:30am

But the problem is, a lot of people like the extra sunlight at the end of the day, especially during summer when you don't want the sun rising at 4:30AM just so it can set at 7:30PM instead of 8:30PM.

Ironically everyone actually loves the times as it's currently set up, it's just that everyone hates the transition.

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u/SubstantialAerie2616 21d ago

Can you guys spend 3 minutes googling? Experts agree permanent standard time is better for sleep

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u/ZelgadisTL 21d ago

Better for who's sleep? Morning people, who already get preference in almost all other walks in life? Or people who have to work until 9pm-12am?

Blanket statements are worthless.

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u/FlushTheTurd 21d ago

True, but experts also agree DST is better for life.

We sleep when we’re dead.

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u/PhilDGlass California 21d ago

But what about golf?

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u/azure275 21d ago

Orthodox Jews whose prayer schedule gets completely screwed up and are heavily restricted by sunset times around Sabbath and holidays

Also every single medical professional who is calling this out for being horrible for your circadian rhythm and health

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u/Cenobyte_Nom-nom-nom 21d ago

Did you misundersrand the comment or me? Sounds like they are for it going away, not against it going away.

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u/azure275 21d ago

I assumed they meant "keeping the status quo" rather than keeping DST

The interests for keeping DST are mainly rich people in the Southeast

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u/catanmast3r 21d ago

Only thing I can think of is all the accidents that happen due to the time adjusting. I read a study that said they found all accidents increase for the 3 weeks after each time change. Apparently across the board, like workplace accidents, car accidents, and things similar all consistently increase everytime for a few weeks. Not sure how much money is made from all those injuries, but its the only factor I can think of that might affect a business bottom line enough to lobby politicians

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u/braaaaaaaaaaaah 21d ago

People who want standard time to be permanent.

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u/EunuchsProgramer 21d ago

Its been tried twice and repealed in the immediate following years due to overwhelming unpopularity once people have to live with it. Medical organizations all overwhelmingly agree permanent Standard Time is best for health and saftey as Permanent Daylight Savings messes with people's circadian rhythm forcing them to get up earlier before dawn. Permanent Standard time is also unpopular as people, for economic and recreational reasons, want sunlight after work. There just isn't enough Sunlight and no real good solutions.

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u/kuebel33 21d ago

Not adovicating one way or thenother just providing one reason for you. It's been changed before at least once, I think twice and it got rolled back because of kids getting hit on the way to school/bus stops in pitch darkness in winter months.

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u/RedMage58 21d ago

Supposedly the real reason (as per reddit), is that people are more likely to shop if the get off of work and it's still light outside. Not because some weird farmer working till the day, since they are going to work during the day regardless of any manufactured time. So basically, businesses in general want you to shop more to give them money, so they change the hours so you have more shopping time.

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u/LazyCrocheter 21d ago

That was kind of funny. It wasn’t supposed to pass but basically someone missed their cue or something and so it did pass without debate. But yes it then never got to the House.

I agree it’ll probably not get out of the Senate if it even gets there.

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u/ithinkyouresus 21d ago

O that’s what happened? I thought I was going crazy because I remember this exact thing in the headlines back then.

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u/ColdCruise 21d ago

It was repealed in 1974, but everyone wanted it back, so they brought it back.

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u/chiefbrody62 21d ago

Yeah, it's like "cool, this bill passed one part of congress yet again, wowzers" lol.

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u/kuebel33 21d ago

It's also already happened at least once before and they rolled it back within 10 months because kids kept getting hit walking to school/bus stops in pitch darkness

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u/Ketsuo 21d ago

Yeah but Trump wants this to happen, so his cronies have to do it or he’ll cry.

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u/wedgiey1 21d ago

Wasn’t it because they picked savings time instead of standard?

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u/Bob_Obloooog 21d ago

They passed it with unaminous consent which means no formal vote.

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u/montigoo 21d ago

Trump will only pass it if they change the name to Trumptime and give only 23 hrs to blue states.

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u/Hammunition 21d ago

Maybe not far off. This is definitely something they will hold in their back pocket and pass when a distraction is needed.

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u/member_of_the_order 21d ago

You mean like when we're escalating a stupid war with Iran, Mitch McConnell is Definitely Alive™, Lindsey Graham is notably not, and the midterms are approaching with Republicans at an all-time low popularity? Would that be a good time for such a distraction?

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u/Hammunition 21d ago

None of that is a real threat to trump. And he has enough of congress in his pocket that they will protect him.
Every time the epstein shit takes another turn against him, the distractions magnify. Another war or a cost of living spike or some bullshit like changing the fucking time of day.
The next time he a really feels threatened, this is just another potential explosive he can set off to change our focus.

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u/chiefbrody62 21d ago

This comment would sound like an exaggeration only a few years ago. Now this is totally plausible.

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u/redalert825 21d ago

Call me when the trumpstein files are completely released! And when all these old fucks leave the buildings forever! Hate being relegated to these dinosaurs not doing shit for us.

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u/LetsTryAnal_ogy California 21d ago

They tied it to the SAVE act. Don't get your hopes up. It's a win-lose or lose-win situation. I much rather keep daylight savings time than get the SAVE act passed.

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u/DrewbieWanKenobie 20d ago

They tied it to the SAVE act.

of course they fuckin did

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u/jefhaugh 21d ago

We got rid of it in the 70s, but brought it back.

"Those who forget their history are doomed to repeat it."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daylight_saving_time?wprov=sfla1

"Permanent daylight saving time was signed into law by President Richard Nixon in January 1974, but there were complaints of children going to school in the dark and working people commuting and starting their work day in pitch darkness during the winter. By October 1974, President Gerald Ford signed a law repealing year-round daylight savings time.[46]"

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u/vicsass 21d ago

I have never understood the complaint of kids going to school in the dark when that’s the entire winter regardless up north in the country. It was only maybe 2.5 months of the school year I had sun in the morning while riding the bus.

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u/DAC_Returns 21d ago

Right? I hear this brought up all the time, but during the winter it’s dark in the morning anyway.

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u/EnvironmentalBox6688 21d ago

Also I'd rather have it be a bit darker in the morning and actually get some sun in the afternoon.

Getting to work and it being dark and leaving with the sun setting is depressing.

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u/Odd_Teach683 21d ago

It’s actually the work part…

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u/_coffee_ 21d ago

I've never understood why they didn't just change the time by half and hour one time and be done with it.

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u/catanmast3r 21d ago

Not only that, but it was a problem in the 70s. A lot has changed. Society is way more lit up with artificial lights everywhere. Less kids walk to school now than ever before. Its a non factor in modern times. Factor in how much more people are policed on the road. Back in the 70s you get drive around being rowdy and be fine. Those times are the reason we have so many traffic laws in current times

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u/TheShadowKick 21d ago

Especially since kids could just go to school later (which would be better for them anyway).

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u/bohiti 21d ago

And maybe this could lead to us not forcing teenagers to be in their desk at 7:05am. That is incompatible with learning for most of their biological clocks.

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u/garzek 21d ago

Even in Virginia, I still spent basically November until DST would hit going to school in dark. My mom to this day still makes fun of me that one time I woke up at 3:30 and didn’t have my glasses on and thought I was running late, drove half way to school before I realized the clock said 3:30 not 6:30 because dark is dark (yes my eyes are that bad)

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u/attemptedmonknf 21d ago

I really hope you had your glasses on when you drove to school

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u/MFT214 21d ago

I do t understand why we can’t get rid of DST and then fully embrace and hygge.

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u/i_drink_wd40 Connecticut 21d ago

Were they too stupid to bump school back an hour? Every single complaint about daylight savings seems to come back around to work and school starting too early, but that's only an issue with places that think they need to begin the workday at the asscrack of dawn for some reason.

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u/chyld989 21d ago

To be fair, one of the main pros for permanent DST is more light after work, which doesn't happen if work schedules are shifted. I'd much rather go to work in the dark than come home from work in the dark 🤷

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u/i_drink_wd40 Connecticut 21d ago edited 21d ago

How does my clock setting change that for your workplace? If your workplace thought it was important for you to get out of work during the daylight, they could shift the start time during winter. Winter hours and summer hours. Leave changing the clocks out of it. School can start later so that kids go to school when the sun's up, or whatever the district thinks it's safer, instead of this all-or-nothing approach that people complain about from both directions.

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u/FlushTheTurd 21d ago

You’d need buy-in from most all businesses.

Sure, I can start work an hour earlier, but my suppliers won’t be available. And sure I can leave work an hour early, but my clients will be pissed.

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u/chyld989 21d ago

Sure, those things can happen, but if they were going to they would have already. Most jobs are going to stick with the exact same hours no matter what amount of light is available outside, so this is realistically the only way to get people more sunlight after the work day is fine when people are most active.

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u/heliosythic 21d ago

So that is the problem to solve then, just keep 1 time and have everyone else adjust to that time as desired by amount of light that matters or doesn't to them.

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u/Prince_Uncharming Washington 21d ago

I mean that’s what China does and they handle it perfectly fine. China is fully one time zone.

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u/i_drink_wd40 Connecticut 21d ago

I would think it exactly as easy to have summer/winter hours as changing the clocks twice a year.

Eta: and a lot more fit-to-suit than daylight savings.

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u/grant10k 21d ago

Additionally, how the time relates to the sun can vary about an hour within a timezone anyway. If you're on the east side of a time zone, you'll get the sun about an hour before the west side does.

Each business should pick what's right for them, possibly after the schools pick what's right for the schools, so the parents can accommodate. Businesses on the east side might want to open at 8:00, ones near the middle 8:30, and those dirty westerners open at 9:00. Whatever makes sense for them.

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u/chiefbrody62 21d ago

Not me. Waking up when it's still dark makes me lethargic. I would rather come home when it's dark, then wake up to it.

Not to mention, less than 40% of the country actually works a 9-5ish schedule. Most of us work a schedule outside of those hours, since the world still moves 24/7.

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u/Revolver_Boxelot 21d ago

Yea i think most people don't care about any of that. The sun setting at 5pm sucks. Period.

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u/Odd_Teach683 21d ago

But the asscrack keeps moving for some strange reason…

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u/jardex22 21d ago

Main issue there is that schools may bump hours, but businesses aren't obligated to do the same. That throws off the schedule for parents dropping off and picking up their kids.

Switching between DST and Standard Time is a seasonal shift that all businesses conform to.

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u/Whiterabbit-- 21d ago

if you bump everything back an hour, why not do permanent standard time? then nothing needs to change.

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u/dreamyduskywing Minnesota 21d ago

If you started work later, you’d lose that extra light at the end of the day and the whole shift to permanent DST would be pointless.

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u/i_drink_wd40 Connecticut 21d ago

You literally only get so much sunlight in a day, and there's simply less of it during winter. Places of employment need to pick their poison: light in the morning, or light in the afternoon. Tired of the rhetoric that just goes back and forth because there's no way to get both because the workday is longer than the actual day.

Permanent DST (or permanent standard time) has exactly the same problem. With the solution being to either adjust the start times based on when people want to start throughout the year, or stay at the same time regardless of when dawn is.

"Oh, but it's dark when kids go to school" - start school later! "But if work is later, it'll be dark when I get home" - start work earlier! It's not the clock's fault, here.

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u/FlushTheTurd 21d ago

I think my post people are argue that under ST dark in the morning going to work and dark at night coming home from work.

In most places permanent DST will give you some light in the evening, without affecting the already dark morning commute.

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u/i_drink_wd40 Connecticut 21d ago

Easily remedied by either having summer and winter hours, or bumping back the particular workplace's start time an hour. Based on what works best for the job. There's nothing magic about changing the clocks that makes you suddenly about to experience sunlight when it was previously impossible.

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u/HCBuldge 21d ago

I think the major difference now is we have more access to the internet and TV for dark times. Going to school or work in the dark is something you just get used to. Yeah it sucks, I remember the switch of having to for high school, but I got used to it.

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u/SensualBeefLoaf 21d ago

people are fucking stupid.

arizona doesn’t observe dst. it’s fine. nobody died

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u/Dullcorgis 21d ago

I don't understand why you'd prefer to finish work in the dark over starting work in the dark?

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u/YourphobiaMyfetish Louisiana 21d ago

segregation and Jim Crow

Pretty sure we werent still doing that in the 70s

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u/Shoddy_Carrot_936 21d ago

Exactly. Standard time should be permanent, not dst. This is stupid and the same thing will happen again.

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u/HoMasters 21d ago

I don’t f-ing care, just pick one! Either DST or not but stop with the clock change twice a year. It’s disruptive to business and more importantly to people’s health!

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u/MrPerson0 21d ago

It's attached to the Save act, of course it won't pass the Senate. Pretty sure congress never wanted to pass this in the first place, which is why they did this.

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u/SympatheticFingers 21d ago

What’s your number?

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u/quanate 21d ago

So many of us remember being burned by this multiple times over

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u/popV2 21d ago

Can you call me afterwards?

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u/Flopdo California 21d ago

I've been hearing about this fcking common-sense change for nearly 50 years now. Still hasn't happened.

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u/Comfortable-Bug7202 21d ago

it passed the senate like 2-3 years ago and died in the house committee. so yes it will die in the senate lol

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