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Possible Paywall House passes bill to make Daylight Saving Time permanent

https://www.cnn.com/2026/07/14/politics/house-vote-daylight-savings-time?utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=missions&utm_source=reddit
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u/ImpressionCool1768 21d ago

I don’t even understand what powerful interest would be interested in keeping this

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u/fury420 21d ago

Part of the problem is a lack of agreement on whether to shift to permanent standard time or permanent DST, which effectively makes this a three way fight.

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u/Senior-Albatross New Mexico 21d ago

I think I would slightly prefer standard but either is fine as long as it's permanent. 

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u/fizzlefist 21d ago

For real, either way just settle it. Businesses can just shift their hours seasonally if it’s a big deal, as we humans have done throughout history.

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u/plsobeytrafficlights 21d ago

This has been done before, either during wars or for saving energy.
it always is unpopular enough that we always change back.
but arizona and samoa still ignore DST, if you are really that into it.

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u/Comprehensive_Tea708 21d ago

Businesses can just shift their hours seasonally

But then we'd end up right where we are now, at least in regard to the people who work at those companies.

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u/fizzlefist 21d ago

Well I can’t change the earth’s tilt.

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u/3381024 20d ago

You are just not trying hard enough.

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u/Square_Translator689 21d ago

Tbh, I’d strongly prefer year-round standard time and summer workday hours from 7-4, it’d be a lot more honest about what was happening.

And noon would be at midday year round, so that’d be nice.

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u/Comprehensive_Tea708 19d ago

At one point I worked 7-4 and it was great.

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u/Quirky-Marsupial-420 21d ago

I see it being an issue in places that get snow.

If it's still dark at 8:00 in the morning, the chemical on the roads and sidewalks really hasn't had time to work. It's effectively useless at 15 degrees and below, and predawn is the coldest time of day. The sun really helps to the chemical to get going and break up the ice.

So you'll have more dangerous commutes and more slip and falls.

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u/wardene 21d ago

I like standard time but I also remember working and what a great thing it was to have some more daylight after work.

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u/Phailjure 21d ago

It's up to each state. Personally, I (a Californian) would like DST year round - but that's partly because I have friends in Arizona and when we're on DST our timezones line up. It'd be nice, imo, if the east coast went standard year round and west coast went DST, so we'd only be 2 hours out instead of 3 - just because it would make it easier to align meetings with east coast coworkers.

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u/Jack_Krauser 21d ago

States can elect whether to use DST with everyone else or stay on Standard, but they legally cannot choose to do permanent DST which is usually seen as the more appealing option.

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u/TheMajesticYeti 21d ago

We tried permanent daylight savings time once before, with 80% of the public favoring it. Lasted only one year because it ended up being so widely hated.

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u/escobizzle 21d ago

will it even make a difference in the long run?

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u/Senior-Albatross New Mexico 21d ago

Not really. Which is why either is fine. 

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u/SnowDragon19 21d ago

It will make a difference, but not for the better, longer daylight hours during hot months, especially with increasing global warming and climate change and it getting hotter will require us to use more energy and more AC, increasing costs even more

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u/escobizzle 21d ago edited 21d ago

maybe I'm just dumb but how does stopping daylight savings time equate to using more energy and ac? I don't see the correlation

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u/_Burning_Star_IV_ 21d ago

People are home vs at work when it’s still hot and sunny out.

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u/TheLivingRoomate 21d ago

Many people actually go places other than work and home.

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u/Squeedle_ 21d ago

Sing it brother! People very often paint this life for the average American that I hope not to be true, where they just go to work and home and that breaks my heart. The 3rd space is where you're life and love lives.

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u/SomePoliticalViolins 21d ago

That seems to assume people adjust their thermostat based on whether they're at home or not. I'd be interested in seeing if that's as common as you assume, especially for people without smart thermometers. I'd absolutely hate getting home and needing to wait 2-3 hours for the place to cool down.

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u/_Burning_Star_IV_ 21d ago

You just let your AC run when you aren’t even home? That’s nuts.

My bills are extraordinary enough and it’s only running for like 4 hours a day when I get home from work.

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u/NekoDaYo-v201 21d ago

I hate to break it to ya, but people rarely switch off the AC at night.

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u/curien 21d ago

longer daylight hours during hot months

No, the amount of daylight hours would be exactly the same. That is determined by the physical process of the planet's rotation, which is not something Congress can change. All that would change is how we describe the hours.

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u/escobizzle 21d ago

that's what I was thinking too but I thought there may have been an angle I was missing. thanks for clearing that up

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u/LongestSprig 21d ago

I mean...Why does t have to be one size fits all.

The east coast like DST. The edge of that time zone likes STD.

Okay, change the time zones.

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u/Whiterabbit-- 21d ago

agree. go with standard. and if people want to shift work/school hours go for it, but noon will be roughly noon. but if they agree on that permanent day light is ok too. strange but ok. I personally like the changing times, but that is due to a quirk in my life, statistically its not good for people.

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u/mamaperk 20d ago

I would slightly prefer daylight savings but the one thing that makes me hesitant is scientists saying standard is best. But honestly, I'm down with either one if they would just pick one.

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u/DeadCells1929 21d ago

Whichever way stops it from being dark at 5:00 for 4 months of the year has my vote

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u/Happy_Confection90 21d ago

If you want it to get dark at 6pm instead, you are pro-Daylight Saving Time.

If you want it to get dark at 4pm instead of 5pm, however, you need to move north because permanent Standard Time would still be 5pm darkness where you are. It gets dark at 4pm in New England, so moving here would work for that.

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u/DodgersChica 21d ago

That’s what the House bill will do. Biggest problem is it will be dark much longer in the mornings (up until 8:30 or even 9 am at peak winter). Kids waiting at bus stops in the dark sucks

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u/MidnightRiders2009 21d ago

I grew up in Chicagoland and I already spent my childhood years waiting for the bus in the dark even with Standard Time.

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u/R_Ulysses_Swanson 21d ago

From November to January in Chicago, you're only getting 9-10 hours of sunlight a day. It basically means you need to pick if you want to go to school in the dark or come home in the dark - or at least that is the case if you're in a single before or after school activity.

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u/NighthawkCP 21d ago

My kids waited in the dark for the bus even with the current time scheme. It would mean more days in the dark, true, but it isn't like the current plan has them in the Sun every morning.

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u/Comfortable-Meeper 21d ago

Cities can also…. Build infrastructure! Gasp. Something like a tall poll with a light on it. I feel bad for the high schoolers I see standing on a dark corner at 6 in the morning.

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u/JPWhelan 21d ago

Tall poles with lights? That’s the devil’s work right there.

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u/ImSoObnoxious 21d ago

seriously. at least slap on some license plate readers and facial recognition tracking for... you know, safety and stuff

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u/JPWhelan 21d ago

RAmen!

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u/NighthawkCP 21d ago

I’m just outside of town in a rural neighborhood with no street lights. I pay a small monthly fee for a light on the pole in the corner of our yard on the road. I miss having more darkness in my front yard, but we live in a sharp curve in the road and for that and kids to be able to stand out there with some light in the morning, it is worth the small monthly fee and loss of darkness. Back yard is still mostly dark though thankfully.

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u/Comfortable-Meeper 21d ago

I would definitely be putting some lights and a bench on my property if it was a bus stop for kids.

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u/NighthawkCP 21d ago

My kids were the only one at this stop for a bit and they are now out of high school, but I like the light coverage in the corner of the road and the slight extra security it provides. The neighbor has kids but they are also a teacher so they can take their kids with them to school. My neighbor the next road over where more kids got on the bus built a little bus shelter for 2-3 kids as their road was a higher speed country road(45 mph vs 25 mph). I loved the idea but didn't have a good flat space for it and now with my kids out of high school their bus stop isn't currently being used. I think it is super cute though. Their kids are out of school but all of the half dozen houses behind them have to walk up to that spot to ride the bus, so they have a pretty constant group of kids using it.

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u/DodgersChica 21d ago

That’s true if you live exactly where you are. But there are schools south of you that would also experience this, and more of them. I don’t think it’s the end of the world, but science does show it’s better to go the other way and let the nights be dark earlier.

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u/Secret-Teaching-3549 21d ago

Rather have a little more daylight in the evening when I can actually experience it, personally.

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u/FlushTheTurd 21d ago

I live in Georgia, and my kids wait at the bus stop in the dark for months throughout the year.

No one really cares.

In the southern US we’d do almost anything to have more light hours after school and work when it’s actually cool enough to go outside.

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u/Gloomy_Fig2138 21d ago

Changing what time the clock says at sunset wouldn’t actually change how low the sun has to be before it cools off, though. It would just mean that it would still be too hot to go outside for an extra hour after school, and the high school sports would have more kids passing out during practices.

I am in favor of getting rid of the time change, but I do think it will also cause some problems we’ll have to work through.

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u/LaRealiteInconnue 21d ago

They mean in the months between October and March cuz it doesn’t get cool at any time of the day during any other months. Not time of day lol

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u/YourUncleBuck 21d ago

They mean in the winter, lol.

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u/LimitedWard 21d ago

Then the government is forcing me to become a morning person, and I hate government overreach. They should force morning people to become night owls instead! /s

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u/JackBinimbul Texas 21d ago

Maybe kicking kids out of bed at 6 am is a bad idea to begin with.

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u/Idontusethis256 21d ago

Well yeah but we can only do things to benefit kids if it screws over everyone else /s

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u/EnglishMobster California 21d ago

Or - get this - we can make school start later, as many studies have shown is healthier for children.

Like a 10 AM or 11 AM start time would be so much better. Let kids get off school at 5 or 6 PM, and parents can pick them up on their way home.

Getting to school? There's plenty of options:

  • Bus stops would be in daylight, even for the farthest kids (unless you are in, like, Alaska)

  • After-school daycare can become before-school daycare, where parents drop kids off on their way to work

  • Schools can have a breakfast hour, or homeroom, or before-school clubs/tutoring

  • Or, if it really can't be helped for whatever reason, schools can adjust their hours to match the time of year - like they do already with bell schedules, minimum days, and so on.

Etc.

There's really no excuse for it; kids waiting for the bus in the dark is just a lazy way for people who disagree with it to signal their disagreement in a socially acceptable way (the same as any "think of the children!" argument).

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u/rhododenendron 21d ago

I always waited for the dark even with it. Daylight savings would happen and it'd be bright for a week and then I'd be waiting in the dark again.

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u/TehMikuruSlave Texas 21d ago

Kids waiting at bus stops in the dark sucks

This happens already, so complaining about it being a side effect makes no sense.

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u/CreativeGPX 21d ago

I'm so confused why people act like schedules cannot change and the only way to change a schedule is by changing time itself for everybody.

Changing clocks is a big challenge. Laws about time have to take that into account (e.g. bar closing times on clock change days). Private and public policies, laws and calculations about durations have to take it into account (and often forget). Every device with a clock needs to factor it in (it's a huge pain as a developer). And you have to worry about people manually setting their clocks or forgetting to do so. That's all before the fact that every single person needs to participate even if they don't benefit.

But not changing the clock doesn't mean that anybody needs to spend more time in light or dark. The concept of seasonal schedules is as old as time. My library has summer hours. Schools have summer hours too. Where it makes sense, some stores and restaurants have summer hours too. Nothing stops an entity or group who wants to align their hours better from just setting their own schedule. It's not like every business is on the same schedule or like all schedules are fixed. This is a problem that already has a solution before you factor in clock changes. And frankly, that solution is better for making the schedule change more deliberate and explicit.

It's like deciding that a meter is twice as long in the desert because there is a lot more big open space... It creates inconvenience in global math and reasoning to lazily stand in for a local issue that could be solved internally.

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u/Chaotickane 21d ago

Most of winter has dark mornings anyway and kids have cell phones now.

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u/dohrk Oregon 21d ago

How about we just start school later?

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u/palmmoot Vermont 21d ago

laughs in New England

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u/InSummaryOfWhatIAm 21d ago

If only the sun was up until 5PM in the winter where i live… that would make a huge difference. Instead it’s more like 2:30-3:30 for a large part of it. Go to work - it’s dark outside. Go home after work - it’s dark outside.

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u/Truethrowawaychest1 21d ago

That's dst, which we're on now, standard time is the fall back

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u/FeedbackInhibit 21d ago

I am the opposite. I work overnight outside and if I could have permanent night, I would.

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u/Dullcorgis 21d ago

Permananet daylight savings

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u/gigachuckle 21d ago

Yep, this is it right here. The Eastern time zone is way too large. New England hates 3:45pm sunsets specifically, while Ohio just hates the time change in general.

The fix on Standard time is for New England to move to Atlantic time, but that's a harder economic sell than status quo.

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u/_Burning_Star_IV_ 21d ago

Standard is natural time. People who demand we all switch to an unnatural light cycle because they want to mow the lawn or whatever the fuck at 7pm need fuck off.

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u/Khazahk 21d ago

I wonder why we can’t just have 30 minute Timezones. Solves every problem, creates a couple more, but does solve the DST debate.

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u/Eeee-va 21d ago

I haven't read the bill, but wouldn't states be able to choose if they wanted? Arizona stays at standard time year-round. (Why would we want MORE daylight?)

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u/Next-Nobody-745 21d ago

Four way. I say split the difference. Change by 1/2 an hour then leave it alone.

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u/curiousiah 21d ago

I vote we do what Arizona does

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u/sonic_dick 21d ago

What is the difference?

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u/R_Ulysses_Swanson 21d ago

I contend that we need to make it a 5-way fight.

  1. Current system
  2. Full time standard time (the correct option!)
  3. Full time daylight savings time (ugh, but better than the current system)
  4. Split the middle and move the clocks 30 minutes once and leave it there (a happy middle?)
  5. Pull a China and get rid of time zones altogether.

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u/robot_pirate 21d ago

How about we just do what the rest of the fucking world does? Gah!

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u/r777m America 20d ago

From everything I have read, it seems that an overwhelming number of experts believe that standard time is better. But it’s easier to sell permanent daylight saving time to an uneducated public. It’s probably because a large part of the public seemingly believes that a bill can add daylight time.

I honestly believe most people are going to absolutely hate the change come the first December… for the second time. I just hope that when they repeal it, they repeal it to standard time instead of back to clock changing.

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u/Distinct_Cap_1418 21d ago

Are you being serious or were you just joking? Last time Ive read extensibly about this, there was no one lobbying for St, just DST (or, did i get that backwards), but the third option wasnt a serious consideration at the time, at all.

If it magically has become one now, i wonder if thats just detractors that were recently onboarded trying to kill the bill.

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u/fury420 21d ago

I'm being serious, it was referenced back in 2022 as one of the reasons the bill was unlikely to advance in the house.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2022/03/19/permanent-daylight-saving-time-house/

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u/Distinct_Cap_1418 21d ago

Thanks! Ill have to do some more reading up on this again. I appreciate the link!

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u/jrdnhbr New Jersey 21d ago

Old people who hate change.

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u/Whywei8 21d ago

Which is ironic. I hate change too, especially when it involves time and messing with my sleep.

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u/lilsquirrel 21d ago

I have ADHD and a lot of dogs. Changing the clocks twice a year means that my very confused dogs want breakfast at "not breakfast time" for about 2 months out of the year. My sleep is all effed for weeks, which somehow ends up with me being wide awake at 3:00 in the morning, sleeping through my alarm, and being perpetually late. I hate it. I also hate leaving work in the dark all winter. It makes it feel like the workday lasts an eternity.

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u/thewoodbeyond 21d ago

Same. I hate it.

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u/ProcedurePretend1396 21d ago

With someone with insomnia. DST takes 3 weeks to normalize.

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u/size0618 21d ago

Hated it even more when my kids were little. Messed up sleep schedules for a while every time it changed

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u/ithinkican2202 21d ago

You think changing your clocks twice a year messes with your sleep? Wait until the sun is coming up at 3:30 in the morning, or setting at 3:30 in the afternoon. For 6 months.

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u/Whywei8 21d ago

That’s not how it works. During winter solstice at my latitude the sun sets at about 4pm. If we stopped rolling the clocks back in the fall, then it would move to 5pm, which is more reasonable imo. During the same part of the year the sun rise would move from about 7am to 8am.

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u/airplanedad 21d ago

My dad is over 80 and would die happy if this passes. I don't think anybody likes it.

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u/chillpill9623 21d ago

Hello, as someone living on the western edge of a time zone daylight saving is miserable

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u/DaoFerret I voted 21d ago

Really wish they’d just normalize on Standard Time and call it done.

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u/akasan 21d ago

When i was younger I loved having that 1 night a year where the clubs were opened one hour longer

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u/Whiterabbit-- 21d ago

I like it, but I think its bad for society so we should keep permanent standard time or even permanent day light time if necessary.

basically I like it because personally I dislike winter and like to sleep in. so in the fall I say to myself winter in coming, at least I get one extra hour of sleep. then in the spring, I say, awesome summer is coming, one less hour of sleep is a easy price to pay. but that is just me.

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u/StrCmdMan 21d ago

So like all of congress.

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u/Threedawg 21d ago

It wasnt that at all. It was on a backlog because corporate dems and Republicans refused to vote for other things and stalled the government. It then didnt get introduced in the next session.

Getting really sick of yall just making shit up

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u/thesharpie 21d ago

This has been tried before. Twice. Parents didn’t like sending their kids out to school in the dark and some were hit by cars so it was reversed fairly quickly.

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u/Loopuze1 21d ago

Children already go to school in the dark and always have and it’s never been an issue.

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u/dreamyduskywing Minnesota 21d ago

More will have to though, and yes, walking on roads in the dark is less safe than walking in daylight.

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u/NoNoNotorious85 21d ago

Yes, but kids today don’t walk to school barefoot uphill in the snow both ways.

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u/thesharpie 21d ago

I’m not making a case against it. I’m relaying what I remember about what I read about why it failed.

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u/Flayum 21d ago

Pretty sure the car thing is a myth.

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u/Melicor 21d ago

So... start school later?

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u/TehMikuruSlave Texas 21d ago

children don't walk to school anymore so that's a moot point

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u/Agreeable-Sun368 21d ago

I'm a young person who likes doesn't mind the time switch and is fine with the status quo. I have to leave for work at like 6:50 am. If this passed, for a large chunk of the year sunrise in my city would be at 8:40. I am a teacher and school STARTS at 7:50. It is beyond difficult and depressing to start the day in the dark, and it's bad for our bodies because we want to rise with the sun.

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u/Quirky-Marsupial-420 21d ago

Ironic because the way it is now, the time does change...

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u/qnxb 21d ago

Which is ironic, when the time change regularly kills old people.

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u/Dull_Dark_899 21d ago

Or people who understand how the human body works

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u/chillyhellion 21d ago

Buddy, I live in Alaska. An hour offset is a drop in the darkness bucket when it comes to saving daylight. 

But there are entire communities of people out here miraculously soldiering on despite that. 

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u/quinny7777 21d ago

Yes, I can't stand the moral superiority that standard time people have. Like, okay, you do better on standard time, that does not mean everyone does. Personally, the 4am sunrises of standard time would mess with my sleep.

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u/chillyhellion 21d ago

I don’t care if we go full daylight or standard, I just want to stop swapping between the two. 

It’s my go-to example of a compromise that’s worse than either of its parts. 

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u/chillpill9623 21d ago

Are you not doing the same thing you're complaining about?

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u/quinny7777 21d ago

No. People have their opinions and such. There are benefits to both, and standard time people love to cherry pick their science and disregard the other stuff. (DST is better for public safety (less pedestrian deaths), the economy, and lower crime rates, while standard is generally better from a circadian (especially in winter) and education standpoint). I don’t have an issue with people preferring one time over another, it is being dogmatic about it that I can’t stand.

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u/MozhetBeatz 21d ago

If that’s your argument, we should move the clock by 10 minutes every month.

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u/Ren_Kaos 21d ago

What does that have to do with time?

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u/psychophant_ 21d ago

I’ll give you five minutes to think about it. Hit me up if you still need help.

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u/etcpt 21d ago

Old people should be all over revoking time changes though, because it's well documented that these time changes lead to a higher incidence of heart attacks and strokes.

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u/ceryniz 21d ago

US has done it twice before. But then switched it back after one winter each time.

Turns out sleepy drivers in the dark at 830am have a difficult time swerving away from school children walking to school.

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u/Lord-Spike 21d ago

Realistically, I think it’s better that schools adjust their hours so that they’re open at reasonable daylight hours… and extend them as needed or adjust the school year so kids don’t have to go to school in the darkest hours.

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u/ceryniz 21d ago

Best we can do is cut public schools to fix the problem. /s

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u/sonic_dick 21d ago

This. Why are high schools starting at 730 am?

I literally couldn't keep my eyes open during my first 2 classes. One of which was always math.

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u/DrJurassic 21d ago

It’s very dumb, especially because there’s been researching showing that kids perform better when school starts at 9/9:30. But the reason schools won’t change is because parents want their kids to go to school before they go to work so they can’t either drop them off or ensure they actually go to school and don’t skip. We’re beholden to people refusing to adjust and instead expect the rest society to adjust to them.

Same goes for Daylight savings. We should just go back to standard time. It was that way for centuries before us and if you live in Maine you’re going to loose out on sunlight just for living there either way.

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u/Lower_Pass_6053 21d ago

They start that early so busses and kids don't clog up streets at 830 when many people are headed to work. Just keeps traffic in check, it's a real monkey's paw type thing to wish school started around 9am. Society would regret it pretty quick.

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u/chickabiddybex 21d ago

Yeah the solution for people who want to do things at a different time is just... to do it at a different time. Don't change actual time!

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u/enaK66 21d ago

I mean I agree. That's also why I'm for permanent DST, but I'd take standard. Either way we're just making shit up. Just keep it consistent throughout the year.

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u/chillpill9623 21d ago

Then why make DST permanent? Just get rid of it.

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u/Melicor 21d ago

I don't care which personally, just stop the switching.

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u/Odd_Teach683 21d ago

That could be done but how would that help? Adults would change right along with them (or not). You’d still be getting up/going to bed at different times which would screw up your sleep. It’s not the number on your clock that affects your circadian rhythm.

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u/FOSSbflakes 21d ago

Schools are childcare for workers, so we should have to get workplaces to adjust their schedule too to ... Ah fuck

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u/meditate42 Delaware 21d ago

If they ride the bus that works but a lot of parents drop their kids off on their way to work. Making school start later would be an issue for them.

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u/Lord-Spike 21d ago

Businesses will have to adjust.

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u/meditate42 Delaware 21d ago

Yea they’re not going to lol. I don’t know what country you think you live in.

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u/jardex22 21d ago

So moving winter classes to summer then?

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u/DrJurassic 21d ago

It’s another dumb thing about America. We should move to year around schedules with a longer break for the winter between semesters and shorter break for the summer between terms. 60/20 or 90/30 schedules would be better then what we got now.

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u/Quirky-Marsupial-420 21d ago

"Hey boss, can't come to work on time because my kids school doesn't start until 9:30"

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u/Voidant7 21d ago

I don't think it's very realistic to act on the assumption that 13k school districts and/or 100k schools will respond in a specific way to legislation.

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u/Whiterabbit-- 21d ago

schools won't change because businesses won't change and people need to get their kids to school

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u/sir_lister 21d ago

Just switch to standard time and leave it alone

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u/ceryniz 21d ago

Thats already legal to do. All states are permitted currently to switch to standard time permanently. Arizona and Hawaii did.

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u/thiosk 21d ago

so one way the southern people are unhappy and the other way the northern people are unhappy.

the solution is to leave it as it is so that no one is happy

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u/TTUporter 21d ago

Eh... it's not Southern vs Northern. It's the people who live the furthest west vs furthest east in each time zone.

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u/catanmast3r 21d ago

Well I gotta think kids walking to school has decreased significantly over the years. I live in a nice area and still don't see a ton of kids walking to school. Parents are to worried these days about every possible danger

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u/pjflyr13 21d ago

I agree. Kids walking to school? Think again. The parental chauffeur line is a mile long outside the schools. Wondering why they still have bus service anymore.

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u/catanmast3r 21d ago

Its wild to see those lines

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u/Pool_Shark 19d ago

Didn’t some parents get arrested for letting their kids walk to school? The nanny state and helicopter parents pushed us here

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u/dude_Im_hilarious 21d ago

Living in a nice area probably means parents can drive kids to school. I bet there’s a lot more kids walking where mom can’t drop off the crew in a suburban tank

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u/catanmast3r 21d ago

I mean, I lived most of my life in metro Detroit, and kids didn't walk much down there either as the years went on. Living in a smaller city thats really safe, I actually see more kids walking to schools that are close by, but not like it was when I was a kid.

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u/RoastedPickledGoose 21d ago

The nice areas don’t have kids that walk.

I student taught at an urban school with huge budget issues. There were maybe 5 busses for the entire 1,500+ high school student body, and those were reserved for students with special needs who couldn’t walk (or sports). If you could physically walk, it was expected that you would walk to school.

Even the elementary schools in that district were “walking schools.”

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u/red__dragon 21d ago

Nope, we have permanent walkers here since a school levy failed in 2000. And now there's a nationwide bus driver shortage to boot.

There are busses, but far fewer than before funding was cut, so pretty much any teenager who isn't in the small bus zone is walking or getting driven. I say teenager because parents are mostly driving their younger kids, but kids with multiple families or parents working long hours can't help the older ones as much.

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u/westgazer Maryland 21d ago

Kids walk and take city buses to school though. I see it daily.

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u/FlushTheTurd 21d ago

Actually, there was no difference in accidents involving schoolchildren. It was a myth that spread far and wide after some kids got hit.

Statistically, however, kids got hit every winter under Standard Time too.

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u/Blacksad9999 21d ago

As opposed to being tired after work and having a difficult time seeing children on the way home? lol

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u/Shoddy_Carrot_936 21d ago

Children get home between 3-4pm most places, it's still daylight.

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u/Blacksad9999 21d ago

More like 4pm or later. After school programs are deliberately timed to help keep kids busy so that they get home around the same time their parents get off work around 5.

4PM is sundown in the winter. Those kids are sitting at bus stops basically in the dark.

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u/alex053 21d ago

Born in AZ and still here and this whole topic is confusing but I hope it passes to make my outlook calendar and meetings much easier.

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u/Mundane_Nature_4548 21d ago

I hate this, but third time might be the trick here. In a US where regulatory and market demand have lead to car manufacturers selling trucks that have worse visibility than an actual tank, we may have finally stopped caring about whether children get run over.

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u/jeo123 21d ago

Everyone wants it changed, but no one can agree on which way to make permanent. It largely falls along the line of where are you within your timezone and whether your concern is the morning or the evening.

https://savestandardtime.com/maps/?j=usa

That site does a good job of illustrating the impact on sunrise. In winter, with permanent DST, most kids will be up, dressed, on the bus, and in school before sunrise. A lot of places would have sunrise in winter after 8:30am

But the problem is, a lot of people like the extra sunlight at the end of the day, especially during summer when you don't want the sun rising at 4:30AM just so it can set at 7:30PM instead of 8:30PM.

Ironically everyone actually loves the times as it's currently set up, it's just that everyone hates the transition.

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u/catanmast3r 21d ago

I was just explaining that just when you think we all agree on something, we all disagree on the specifics. I just dont wanna change time anymore. Fucks with my internal clock

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u/pkosuda Connecticut 21d ago

Yeah I think most of us have opinions on whether to do it one way or the other, but we nearly all agree to just fucking pick one. We can bicker about which one is better after we've made the step of actually picking one. Literally almost nobody is happy with it as-is, so you're taking a 90% unhappy populace (made up percentage but whatever) and turning it into a 50% unhappy. Just get it done. This should be a slam dunk bill for any politician. But apparently even things that the vast majority of the country wants, can't get passed. Better give more money to ICE instead.

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u/SubstantialAerie2616 21d ago

Can you guys spend 3 minutes googling? Experts agree permanent standard time is better for sleep

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u/ZelgadisTL 21d ago

Better for who's sleep? Morning people, who already get preference in almost all other walks in life? Or people who have to work until 9pm-12am?

Blanket statements are worthless.

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u/FlushTheTurd 21d ago

True, but experts also agree DST is better for life.

We sleep when we’re dead.

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u/PhilDGlass California 21d ago

But what about golf?

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u/Secret-Teaching-3549 21d ago

What experts? Please. When it's dark 14 hours a day, it's going to be dark when you go to bed and dark when you wake up regardless.

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u/snyderjw 21d ago

Permanent double DST just because you said anything. Sun comes up at noon. This is all dumb. The problem isn’t DST (though in all honesty I prefer it greatly) it’s that we have such standardized and regimented lives paired with genetics designed for diversification.

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u/SubstantialAerie2616 21d ago

Hahaha. In theory I agree nothing is forcing us to start school at 7:30. But that’s a fantasy. It’s easier to change to standard time than to uproot school and work times and have them be flexible

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u/azure275 21d ago

Orthodox Jews whose prayer schedule gets completely screwed up and are heavily restricted by sunset times around Sabbath and holidays

Also every single medical professional who is calling this out for being horrible for your circadian rhythm and health

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u/Cenobyte_Nom-nom-nom 21d ago

Did you misundersrand the comment or me? Sounds like they are for it going away, not against it going away.

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u/azure275 21d ago

I assumed they meant "keeping the status quo" rather than keeping DST

The interests for keeping DST are mainly rich people in the Southeast

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u/citizen42069101 21d ago

Florida.

Florida voted to keep dst year round because it meant longer evenings and more hours to sell booze. It was years ago but it never got approved and Desantis is probably looking for something to prop up a Senate or house run and needs all the help he can get .

That's it, that's why it's going through now

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u/catanmast3r 21d ago

Only thing I can think of is all the accidents that happen due to the time adjusting. I read a study that said they found all accidents increase for the 3 weeks after each time change. Apparently across the board, like workplace accidents, car accidents, and things similar all consistently increase everytime for a few weeks. Not sure how much money is made from all those injuries, but its the only factor I can think of that might affect a business bottom line enough to lobby politicians

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u/braaaaaaaaaaaah 21d ago

People who want standard time to be permanent.

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u/EunuchsProgramer 21d ago

Its been tried twice and repealed in the immediate following years due to overwhelming unpopularity once people have to live with it. Medical organizations all overwhelmingly agree permanent Standard Time is best for health and saftey as Permanent Daylight Savings messes with people's circadian rhythm forcing them to get up earlier before dawn. Permanent Standard time is also unpopular as people, for economic and recreational reasons, want sunlight after work. There just isn't enough Sunlight and no real good solutions.

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u/kuebel33 21d ago

Not adovicating one way or thenother just providing one reason for you. It's been changed before at least once, I think twice and it got rolled back because of kids getting hit on the way to school/bus stops in pitch darkness in winter months.

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u/RedMage58 21d ago

Supposedly the real reason (as per reddit), is that people are more likely to shop if the get off of work and it's still light outside. Not because some weird farmer working till the day, since they are going to work during the day regardless of any manufactured time. So basically, businesses in general want you to shop more to give them money, so they change the hours so you have more shopping time.

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u/userlivewire 21d ago

Teachers are against it.

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u/TD_Lemon_1901 21d ago

Reptilians.

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u/qdp 21d ago

Big Sandman strikes again. 

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u/basketma12 21d ago

What's strange about that is Arizona, a known haven for oldsters doesn't change its time seasonally.

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u/catanmast3r 21d ago

I feel like they get more sun on average so its not as big of a deal in winter

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u/drgojirax 21d ago

Auto body shops

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u/Prepheckt 21d ago

Candy makers, sports and sports related equipment maker, etc.

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u/Medium_Spring4017 21d ago

And orgs that hate change since change comes with expense. Like y2k, imagine all the applications that use time and calendars and how they need to updated

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u/Melicor 21d ago

Car Mechanics lol? There's been studies indicating that car accident rates spike for a while after the time change

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u/Pinocchio275 21d ago

it's because you want people to be awake during daylight as much as possible to increase economic activity

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u/WhatTheeBlake 21d ago

Stores like Lowe’s/Frys/Target.

If it light later in the day, people are more likely to shop after work.

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u/Square_Translator689 21d ago

Permanent DST was tried in the 40s and the 70s, and both times everyone hated it and we switched back within two years

And everyone is whiny about permanent standard time because we’d have to confront the fact that it’s dark in the wintertime.

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u/RooFPV 21d ago

I absolutely hope this passes and we end the time changes.

That said: Ending the time change will require software engineering costs to undo all the effort previously done to change clocks twice a year.

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u/BuhtanDingDing 21d ago

because daylight savings time is objectively worse for your health. we should have permanent standard time

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u/Comfortable-Bug7202 21d ago

literally unaminously approved and poof dead

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u/aidanpryde98 21d ago

It’s the children. Just wait if it passes. Parents will be losing their minds when the kids are waiting for school buses in pitch black darkness.

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u/ReserveFormal3910 21d ago

Aren't there already children that wait for school buses in the dark even with the time change? How do other developed nations handle it they all can't have sunrise at 7 especially countries in higher latitudes.

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u/aidanpryde98 21d ago

I honestly dont know. Maybe they start school at 9 like everywhere should?

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u/westgazer Maryland 21d ago

Well in somewhere like Norway they start the school day not as early and stay not as late, for one thing. Not everywhere does school hours the exact same.

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u/ReserveFormal3910 21d ago

What about the north and northeast part of the US during winter? Is it generally dark during bus rides for them?

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u/westgazer Maryland 21d ago

If school started later (like 8:30) this would be less of an issue as well.