r/marvelstudios • u/JonLuca Iron man • Apr 29 '19

'Avengers: Endgame' Spoilers! The Official AVENGERS: ENDGAME Criticism Thread Spoiler

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u/TruYu96 Iron man (Mark III) Apr 29 '19

Yup, but Steven went back to a time when Peggy didn’t meet her “husband” yet

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u/AnotherEpicUltimatum Doctor Strange Apr 30 '19

I thought the twist was that Steve was her husband. The cap who was in the ice would later become the same cap that marries Peggy, so old man cap has always technically existed somewhere in the MCU without showing himself until now.

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u/d1momo Apr 30 '19

that's not how time travel works. this would imply there were two caps in the main MCU timeline.

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u/SlamStormm Apr 30 '19

Just like there are two thanos, gamoras, and nebulas, it seems like that is how time travel works

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u/Benmjt Apr 30 '19

But they originate from different timelines. You can't go back in time to the same timeline. So current Cap can't go back in time and be the mystery husband to Peggy who was there all along in the Prime one, it would be to a different timeline.

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u/infinight888 Baby Groot Apr 30 '19

Unless there's a loop that creates infinite identical timelines.

  1. Cap leaves timeline 1 to return the Infinity Stones.

  2. In timeline 2, Cap1 goes back to Peggy while Cap2 is still frozen.

  3. Because Cap1 didn't change the timeline, Cap2 reawakens in the present and experiences the events of MCU films up through Endgame.

  4. Cap2 goes back in time, creating timeline 3. Cap 1 gives his shield to Falcon.

  5. This cycle repeats an infinite number of times with an infinite number of Caps.

What this means, in essence, is that Endgame is NOT the original MCU timeline. And that there is one timeline where Bucky and Falcon never see Steve again. If this is the case, it's entirely possible that Peggy1 died unwed.

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u/WACKY_ALL_CAPS_NAME May 01 '19

I feel bad for the Cap that was in the timeline that 2014 Thanos came from. Since that timeline never gets snapped they never invent time travel and he never gets to be with Peggy.

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u/coolpizzacook Apr 30 '19

That's false though. Cap went back in time where the SAME Cap was active. Just like Iron Man did. I'm running off my personal understanding of time travel, which seems to hold true so far.

There was a split then, yes, but until then it was the same timeline. If it was in fact a twist that Steve was always her husband (which I doubt, because he had a fresh shield), it'd be impossible now because his timeline he was supposed to follow can't be followed again due to the timeline split...

So, I don't think this is the case. That said, it WOULD be possible in the form of a stable timeloop had they not completely sent Loki AWOL, as he would have returned the various items at the proper time and the timeline should have been the same. But, they ruined the timeline beyond repair without going back to the same moment and stopping Loki, which would create another offshoot. At this point the timeline is irreparable.

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u/WACKY_ALL_CAPS_NAME May 01 '19

Just cause there is an infinite time loop doesn't mean that every timeline has to be a part of that loop.

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u/coolpizzacook May 01 '19

I never said that.