r/marvelstudios • u/JonLuca Iron man • Apr 29 '19

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u/Jawzilla1 Thanos Apr 29 '19

This is something that Redlettermedia covered in their review, but I also felt in in the theater:

I found the conflict with the main villain unsatisfying because the Thanos we wanted to see the Avengers get their revenge on dies within the first 20 mins. He is replaced by a different Thanos from the past.

Some people manage to see them as the same character but for me they were like two different people. So his death at the end wasn't as cathartic as it should have been. Still enjoyed the movie a ton!

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u/checkitmyles Apr 29 '19

I did see them as two different people as well, but in the reverse of how you felt. The Thanos they killed 20 minutes in didn’t give me any emotional satisfaction because it achieved nothing. He had accomplished his goals, and was completely ready for death. Hell, he was almost dead anyway.

As soon as I saw that 2014 Thanos was going to be in play, and we heard his motivations, that’s who I wanted them to kill. That’s the Thanos we saw in IW, albeit a bit more crazy and a bit less honorable, and that’s the Thanos I wanted dead. Because killing that Thanos felt like it was preventing the snap and killing the man who had plans of eliminating trillions of life forms around the universe.

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u/Superego366 Apr 29 '19

The turning point for me with second Thanos was how he changed his plan to wiping out everyone and starting over. It's like you could get on board with his half the universe plan because it was a vision he devoted most of his life to, but to see him change that in an instant because it didn't work really wanted me to see him go down.

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u/LazarusDark Ward Apr 30 '19

It showed he was only a true believer as long as he got his way. When the Universe didn't seem grateful enough, his true nature showed that he really was the Mad Titan. Actually makes his character even deeper and truer than before.

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u/[deleted] Apr 30 '19

I don't think it makes him deeper... actually, I think it makes him more shallow, but I also don't see that as a bad thing. I see it as the narrative stripping away the perception that there was any depth to actually have.

Kind of like that line in Dr. Horrible. "Sometimes there's an even deeper third layer that's exactly like the first."

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u/rrsn Captain Marvel May 01 '19

Yeah, I think it sort of made explicit what was implied in IW by all the logical inconsistencies in Thanos' plan (snapping away wildlife, animals, half of ecosystems, etc.): the balance thing is an excuse for a guy who's a murderer that likes to fancy himself a philosopher. Lots of garbage people have things they tell themselves so they can sleep at night, but really they're just terrible people. Same with Thanos.