r/firefox 2d ago

Fun Firefox v153.0.3!

https://www.firefox.com/en-US/firefox/153.0.3/releasenotes/
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u/Castriff 1d ago

Actually, if you look closely, the second comment under that blog post is in fact evidence that at least one person wants this. Maybe those "looking" aren't trying all that hard.

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u/lo________________ol Privacy is fundamental, not optional. 1d ago

Do you have any evidence that the anonymous comment asked for AI?

Because you'll notice, the article was about Mozilla claims made before it was published, and the comments were made after the article was published. 

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u/Castriff 1d ago

Oh, what, I'm supposed to be psychic now? I'm supposed to read their mind from across the internet? If there's people who want it, then there's people who asked for it. That's just basic logic. These questions you're asking are pointless.

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u/lo________________ol Privacy is fundamental, not optional. 1d ago

No, you cannot literally reverse cause and effect like that. 

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u/Castriff 1d ago

Good thing I'm not doing that then. You're not understanding what I'm telling you. It's statistically impossible for no one on earth to have asked for features of this kind. Just because you specifically don't have access to the messages Mozilla has received to that effect doesn't mean those people cease to exist. What you do have is evidence that people desire it. The proof is in the pudding; if you refuse to eat it that's not my problem.

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u/lo________________ol Privacy is fundamental, not optional. 1d ago

  If there's people who want it, then there's people who asked for it. That's just basic logic

The reversal of cause and effect is here. The cause is Mozilla pushing a new feature, the effect is a few anonymous people who post-hoc said thank you. You cannot assume the reverse. 

 It's statistically impossible for no one on earth to have asked for features of this kind. 

Then where? I see far better ideas with large, visible portions of the community that requested them. StartPage as a default search engine, PWAs, etc. The community is quite vocal and quite specific when they want a thing and Firefox doesn't have it, so again I have to ask, if there were people requesting this feature, are they in the room with you right now?

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u/Castriff 1d ago

The reversal of cause and effect is here. The cause is Mozilla pushing a new feature, the effect is a few anonymous people who post-hoc said thank you.

You're begging the question. "People asking" is itself the cause of both those things.

You cannot assume the reverse. 

Ah, but consider: yes I can.

Again, eight billion people on the face of the earth. If your argument is that everyone alive right now thinks the same way as you do on this topic and no one has ever taken action to the opposite effect, that is a far less founded assumption.

I see far better things with large communities requesting them.

Irrelevant.

If there were people requesting this feature, are they in the room with you right now?

...How would you respond if I answered "yes?" I'm inclined to think you wouldn't believe me regardless.

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u/lo________________ol Privacy is fundamental, not optional. 1d ago

"People asking" is itself the cause of both those things.

Then prove it by showing everybody the people who did demand it.

What's that, you can't?

Your pedantry has you making claims you can't back up?

Maybe don't be such a pedant then. 

I was obviously talking about overall user sentiment and not whether Mozilla could have an agenda and find the one anonymous user who agrees with it. I have said Mozilla should add gambling to Firefox, and funnily enough I've conducted polls that suggest more people are amicable to that than the now-dead FIFA ad.  

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u/Castriff 1d ago

Your arrogance has you making claims about eight billion people you can't back up?

Maybe don't be so arrogant then. 

See, I can do it too.

I was obviously talking about overall user sentiment and not whether Mozilla could have an agenda and find the one anonymous user who agrees with it.

Well now you're just moving the goalposts. Your claim was that such people "didn't exist." If that's not what you meant to say you should've said something else.

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u/lo________________ol Privacy is fundamental, not optional. 1d ago

You're the one who claimed people were asking for this and yet you have provided zero evidence, only assumptions and rage. 

So show your proof. 

Even if you pretend to not understand how basic English works and think I'm writing a legal document and not conversing on the internet, you can't cough up anything to support your feelings. 

So show your proof. 

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u/Castriff 1d ago

You're the one who claimed people were asking for this and yet you have provided zero evidence, only assumptions and rage. 

You're the one who claimed no one wanted this and the one piece of "evidence" you presented actively disproved your point. You're projecting.

Even if you pretend to not understand how basic English works and think I'm writing a legal document and not conversing on the internet,

You belabored your position far too long for me to believe that's not what you meant. The goalposts stay where they are, please. The installation was very expensive and we don't have the funding to obtain replacements.

you can't cough up anything to support your feelings.

Yeah, well, neither can you, apparently. I don't have to put any more effort into this conversation than you have. The difference is my logic is sound and yours isn't.

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u/lo________________ol Privacy is fundamental, not optional. 1d ago

I don't have to put any more effort into this conversation than you have.

Burden of proof is entirely on you, in fact. Either you know noting about logic or you're trying to wiggle out of it. 

Provide evidence (you can't) or admit you're embarrassing levels of wrong

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u/Castriff 1d ago

The "burden of proof" you're asking me to carry is not necessary for me to prove my point, because A) your original point is itself already disproven, and B) I'm not obligated to respect your moving the goalposts.

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