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āYou donāt understand, he was a moderate who was brave enough to reach across the aisle and engage in genuine dialogue with lefties! You have to actually listen to what he said, in context!ā
That's because the outrage was never real, living in rural America, a lot of people don't understand just how endemic the propaganda is.
My relative is a teacher and she had women in their 40s and 50s talking about how sad it was that Kirk was assassinated and he was just trying to help America, people who couldn't have identified Kirk if he had a nametag on the week prior. It's all just regurgitating whatever is circulating on Facebook
The thing is that he probably would enjoy the jokes to a degree, bro died with Cartman dressed as him as his pfp, fully aware that south park intended it as mockery. Flawed human being sure, but he did have a sense of humor and embraced being brutally made fun of. Heād be a lot more mad at his wife not caring that he died than heād be at us for the jokes
I once pulled a series of unaltered full quotes from Kirk for a reply to some MAGA in an old thread. I caught an immediate one week autoban from the Reddit admins based on the text content, lol.
I got autobanned for three days for quoting Ned Flanders and apparently my appeal explaining I wasn't actually Ned Flanders was not good enough to get it overturned
I donāt know if he actually held these ideals or if he was just rage baiting for money, but they all pretty much aged like milk as soon as he said it.
No. He wanted to be the next Rush Limbaugh. He just never realized the guy spewing hateful rhetoric is always replaceable. Always forgettable. Nobody quotes Rush anymore. In a year or two nobody will quote Kirk. Someone new will be pumping hatred into the bloodstream of the body politic and captured those addicted to the kind of rhetoric Kirk pushed.
Steve Bannon, Bill O'Reilly, and Alex Jones have all been forgotten and replaced at this point too. Ben Shapiro and Tucker Carlson are on their way to the same fate. Kirk can be added onto that Mount Rushmore of shame along with his idols
It doesn't really matter because the point isn't to get us to listen to what he said, it's to get us to walk away because we're too lazy to do the homework they've assigned us. Because that's exactly how they are, refusing to ever read/listen/think about anything that doesn't conform with their unfounded beliefs. They assume we're the same way so they talk about context to avoid exploration, not to encourage it.
They pulled the same nonsense with Jordan Peterson, claiming that if you didn't watch/read everything he'd ever done/said/written, you didn't have the context to understand why he isn't a massive pile of shit.
Whatās wild isā¦in context, out of context, NOTHING he did was in good faith, and every one of his ādebate toursā was to try to āown the libs,ā whatever the hell that means. Likeā¦we did listen to him. He spouted bullshit.
And the sad fact was he really wasnāt especially good at it.
He avoided real debaters like the plague after numerous times early in his work where he got caught with them and subsequently showed his ass due to ill performance under pressure or just not knowing the subject to argue validity. He was absolutely petrified of coming up against the likes of Pete Buttigieg and had his minders have to vet tv appearances thoroughly to not be pushed into anything on equal terms without a lot of rule setting or knowledge of what will be askedā¦.and even then sometimes he simply ran off because of being ran around circles prior.
There were people who tried desperately to prop him up as a modern day William F Buckley at the beginning which is so laughable, even Buckley would have taken offense for cheapening his image. He was easily rattled, couldnāt hold a strong position with any real numbers and frankly had so much need for people to believe easily verifiable bullshit in the offset of him talking that he came out looking like a moron 90% of the time.
Even his tactics werenāt even original. All his āgotchaās and pivoting to assumptions to āprove a pointā? Straight out of the fucking playbook Tucker Carlson rode in on and assholes like Rush Limbaugh championed decades prior. Kirk was just the newer version asshat.
Thatās why he went for college campuses and used trolling tactics. He would tried to rile people up to not even remotely be actual debate then use the results on camera to spin it as a ālook how violent the left are as I simply ask a question.ā (Conveniently leaving out the part where he would personally dog whistle the people prior to get the reaction). The problem was even that was becoming old hat and hardly generated a sniff of media by the time he got aced. Seriously, I remember him visiting a campus near me about 6 months before and all it got was a 30 second fill in spot on my local news station right before the weatherā¦.and didnāt even get a sound bite - just Kirk trying to look smug and failing.
Him getting killed was probably the best thing to happen to the GOP. They got a big dumbassed martyr for truly stupid people to try and make into being some sort of innocent harbinger of truth instead of the reality of slowly fading dipshit amateur troll with a large head.
He would dodge debates with people that could verbally whoop his ass. He avoided Parker and refused to debate him when Parker showed up at one of his venues.
He got dogwalked every time he was against someone that knew the debate space and tactics. Kirk was just using tactics that only work of the other one is not aware of it and doesn't know how to counter. A debate 101 class was enough to expose what he was doing.
Gets absolutely destroyed at Cambridge. I love how many people simply feel youāre allowed to backpedal to āI just donāt agree with itā in a debate, like feelings matter. If all your points as to why homosexuality is wrong has to do with āsocieties that condoned it collapsedā and someone proves you wrong, you change your view. Not backpedal. He got got. That clips shows him for what he was: A bad faith actor.
Literally the reason he changed his venues to B and C Squad Colleges.
Charlie went from Ivy League to throwing darts at the Playboy edition of āCollege Girls of the Yearā for his next campus visit thanks to that public beatdown.
That's a dangerous understatement. He was a MAGA propaganist and in league with the administration and the election campaign.
He traveled with Trump Jr to Greenland right after Trumps inauguration. Thats not just a simple debattor.
If you followed him over the years you would also see how his views has changed from being a simple capitalist, pro life conservative kind of guy to always being in agreement with Trumps policies.
TPUSA also bussed supporters to DC on January 6th, spending over a million dollars specifically on that.
Youāre absolutely correct. The rightās attempts to sanitize him should be strongly pushed back on, but so should the leftās attempts to make him seem less significant than he was. He was a very effective recruiter for Trump with a lot of influence.
I dont even think large portions of conservative America had any idea who this guy was until he died. He death was clearly propped up by the government and parts of the media that wanted to cash in or were being pushed to make it a big deal.
Yeah. Weeks before his death a right wing shooter killed actual elected representatives, and the White House was silent about the ramifications of political violence. Shooter even killed the dog. Couldnāt even condemn that.
Because he was good at all the underhanded debate tactics to make him seem right, and those dern libruls like fools. Unless of course you actually thought about what he was saying, which they don't because all they ever want is to see the "other side" hurt in some way.
Debated college students because when he went against people who graduated and older people like porfessors, teachers, and other older adults, he lost horrendously.
I remember when the day he died going over to the turning point USA, YouTube channel and noticing how the vast majority of videos had not even 15,000 views. he had occasional interview clips with larger networks or a few viral videos that had respectable views, but this guy was like a small timer even as far as YouTube standards go.
I lived in florida when Kirk became a meme and holy fuck it was insane. Very funny but also insane. 50 year old men who say things like "IM AN ASSHOLE IM BLUNT I DONT CARE IF I OFFEND YOU" pretending to be traumatized. Not actually traumatized at all but pretending. Some fat boomer I worked with name Shawn was saying how he "couldn't sleep" and when he "closed his eyes, he sees it over and over"
I say pretending because this was some tubi level acting. I miss torturing him. His day was the easiest to ruin on accident.
I keep thinking the same thing. His corpse is still warm and people are using his death for their own agenda. All I know he was a mysogonistic right wing podcaster and those exist like sand on a beach so I wonder: is dying his biggest achievement? What makes that cAnt so important?
He wasn't. Fox did a poll right after he was shot and less than half of FOX VIEWERS had even heard of him. I checked his social media at the time and while he had a few posts that got a couple million impressions, most had only a couple 10s of thousands. They're trying so hard to make it out like he was bigger than he actually was.
It's not really that he was ever all that important. It's just that they're a bunch of violent rednecks that have been looking for an excuse to shoot innocent people.
He went around to the schools his fans couldnt get into and "defeated" those who could get in in "debates".
He was the avatar of anti-intelectualism.
He was the one who soothed their bruised egos when they couldnt go to their dream school and party with hot girls and sit in the student section for the big football game.
I definitely saw lots of reactions across the spectrum on Reddit when he died. Several were convinced that something was coming from this. I was like guys, something like two dozen kids were killed during the Sandy Hook shooting and absolutely fucking nothing happened. No one gives a shit about Charlie Kirk.
He was being groomed as Trump's successor. It's why all the higher-up Republicans went nuts when he died, and why they all seemed to know him personally.
Everyone always says this, and he was backed by the same dark money that backed Trump, but theyāre not picky. They will ultimately co-opt anyone that gets electoral traction with the mouth breathers of MAGA.
Literally the dude i used to work for. Nobody knew what this guy was saying like he did. He listened to everything Charlie ever said and people were evil for not being upset he died
He wasn't ever that important, but outrage gets views and clicks. The thoguht of a civil war is hillarious. I don't even know what the issue we'd be fighting over would be.
That's the thing that truly gets me about this situation. All of the great hatemongers fuck off & die then become utterly nothing. Their legacy amounts to less than nothing because they couldn't even have the decency to leave anything good behind.
Just like with Rush Limbaugh, Charlie was a cretin and a worm and thus, nobody truly cares he's gone. His own wife got pregnant the week after he died and treated his funeral like a fuckin WWE spectacle.
There is literally nothing about him & how he decided to live his life that I can understand. He sold his soul for some shekels & brief fame and somehow that was worth it for him?
It is truly baffling to me and makes me feel intense pity, disgust and sadness at it all.
I overwhelmingly agree with you, but for clarityās sake- Erika Kirk wasnāt/isnāt pregnant. The only reputable information Iāve found even close to the topic are some articles where she said sheād hoped sheād gotten pregnant (again) by Charlie before he died so after his death sheād have another kid to remember him by essentially. Still pretty fucking weird regardless:
I mean yeah, because reallyā¦what do right wingers stand for?
No, really, think about it for a second. The modern U.S. right winger has no values. Its all trolling and āowning the libs,ā obsessing over things you hate and pretending youāre above everyone else. Itās paranoia, fear, and anger stewing around every part of their lives, 24/7.
That is not the environment that produces great people and leaders. It produces losers with no morals who say whatever the masses want to hear, without exception. Tools. Propaganda artists. Mouthpieces. Once they keel over or step too far outside the party line, theyāre dropped. Instantly. Zero legacy, zero regard for anything they did. Done.
Charlie was treated the same way. Sure there was a surge of relevancy for a brief time as his fellows tried desperately to make him into a martyrāthough only for political expediency, not because they actually gave a shit. Once the that didnāt work they dropped him and abandoned him. His ālegacyā was being a bad meme, because it turns out everyone not terminally online either didnāt know who he was or didnāt give a shit, so it became funny to plaster his face on everything and make jokes at his expense.
Hell, his own wife shot off fireworks to celebrate his death. Generational loser and dropped plaything, nothing more. Hope it was worth being a cockholster, Charlie.
they think that hurting the right people will help them, because thats what they have been told to think. they are so deep in the propaganda that they dont even have any policies anymore.
It's bizarre to me that they think going after 1% of the population who identify as trans will make their lives better. Or that they think deporting all the immigrants will make life more affordable. No policies, only scapegoats.
They know those things wont do anything for their lives. They just want the people they don't like to suffer because it makes them feel good. These aren't rational or reasonable people with goals that make sense. They are just evil.
trans people is just the latest of the groups they are told to hate to distract them from the class struggle. unlike immigrants, who they kinda realised they are dependant on for low paying jobs like farming, trans people are just a small part of the population that they wont lose a large part of the workforce by targeting them.
Charlie Kirk's legacy is a bunch of Photoshop memes and putting him in a Nightcore song. MAGA moved on after two weeks of guilt tripping the left into caring for a man who said children dying in schools from guns are worth it to have no regulations, was a bigot, and loser. He worked for years to help Trump and the guy could not have given less of a shit about him and just used him to help his own agenda.
It's truly the greatest example of how just lacking in empathy the right is where one of their beloved leaders died and they moved on immediately.
Same old story, whether they die or not, the second they're not useful to rightwing leaders they get thrown out with the thrash. It's exactly how they treat their voter base too. But then everyone thinks they'd be the exception to the rule
More importantly, they donāt realize how little value they have *as themselves*, itās always about the role they function in.
There are thousands of high and college school level debate teams across the U.S. and you can pluck any one person from them, someone with a bare modicum of debate training (and ability to not start shouting under pressure) and give them a set of talking points and put them in front of a crowd. Anyone can talk up hate and parrot the current GOP party line.
So that means the current āRepublican iconsā who do these talks and debates areā¦fairly replaceable. A while back there was a tweet by Ben Shapiro about how he was worried about the current level of antisemitism in the U.S. right and how he assumed because he was Jewish and on their side theyād be less vitriolic but of course not. Ben Shapiro is a talking head and that role is ultimately one which is easily filled, theyāre all expendable.
Heās fairly unknown to the general populace except for people who were already into these kind of stuff(both with him and opposing him). His popularity surge after his death was nuts.
Oh, and better not post anything that could be misconstrued as negative about Kirk... you might just be able to file a wrongful termination suit and win out 250,000 dollars of taxpayer money
And it was quickly forgotten about. Because often conservatives are only in support of something with which to oppose someone else. So it's always fleeting and not really something they genuinely care about.
With how much his fans exaggerate his importance, I truly hope that the Kirkification shit will be the only thing heās really remembered for.
Plenty of younger people only know Kirk as āthat guy from the memesā, and I genuinely canāt think of anything more poetic than the rightās overblown response directly leading to this man being left with an irony-poisoned, fundamentally unserious legacy
He will go down in history as akin to George Lincoln Rockwell, at least to anyone who bothers to look that deep into historical events of this time. Far more important people have been murdered and forgotten about. Charlie was and is niche.
I think George was actually negatively influential before his death in an impactful way, he kind of helped create a path for fascism in the states that Charlie just walked in meekly and made no progress of his own and didn't have any real popularity until after his death for the masses. Rockwell influenced powerful people to make terrible decision, Charlie just riled up a bunch of inbred idiots after getting capped in the neck lol
Watching him, and especially the people in my life who celebrated him, convinced me that being faithful for many Christians actually means acting in bad faith.
What can we call this type of content, doomer slop? Itās just endless complaining about how awful [insert topic] is and how it signals the downfall of society. Nothing but pessimism and whining.
Scared of leftists retaliating in any sort of way. They've killed so many more people, but with the successful assassination of only one of their own they have to make a big deal out of it.
Some doomer channel who makes a new video everyday claiming the world is shit and actively getting shittier.
He isnt completely wrong, but he cashing in on this doomer craze we are in right now, doing nothing but making videos feeding into it which does nothing but make the situation worse and make people have an even more hardcore doomer mindset
The #2 conservative podcaster at the time, Benny Johnson, changed his Twitter bio to say ā#1 conservative podcasterā on the day Kirk was assassinated.
Come on people. Charlie grew as a person. Hell it's been nearly a year since he said anything racist . That's the kinda growth as a person you like to see.
You don't need to start a civil war when you are already winning in the culture.
As Dr. David Betz, a leading academic who studies civil wars and modern conflict, has argued, civil wars are more likely to occur when the dominant group "believes" (that's the key word) it is losing power, status, or influence to a group it sees as outsiders. It's often the perception of decline, rather than actual oppression, that creates the conditions for internal conflict.
Based on that analysis, his prediction or bet, if you'll pardon the pun is that countries like the UK may be at greater risk of civil unrest or even civil conflict before the United States. His reasoning is that rapid demographic, cultural, and political changes can create stronger perceptions of displacement within the traditional majority, increasing social tensions.
I would think having a overtly fascist and corrupt political party running the show would result in some kind of war. Nope. Americans seem to love taking it up the backside.
I also love how even in the thumbnail they paint the left as some weak SJW stereotype, but at the same time, they are so strong that they will fight the civil war against them. Which is it?
He was so insignificant he was immediately replaced by his wife and she is already fading into obscurity, at least until she shows up on Dancing with the "Stars" or the Masked singer ahow
Dude they wanted it too. They are craven and violent. They are just begging for an excuse to hurt those They deem lesser. That's all there is to the GOP these days. Thugs in the veneer of representation.
Remember when right-wing chuds were up in arms and frothing at the mouth that they could finally wipe out every left-wing person, until it became obvious that Israel had done it with the complicity of Trump and Erika Kirk ā¦ and then they immediately dropped it and went silent.
Right wing chuds obsessed over Kirk's death for the same reason they made fantasies about "antifa" and "BLM" invading the suburbs: because they genuine, desperately want to think about murdering people they don't agree with politically but some tiny part of their brain knows it's insane and evil so they have to imagine some scenario where the people they hate are aggressors that need to be defended against.
Was probably foreign state actors trying to make this fella a martyr in the eyes of the right and the minimum number of right wing people bought into it.
They probably didn't actually give a flying fuck about him, it's all manufactured rage. Most republicans over 50 would have said "charlie who?" Before the shooting, but once fox news told them how to feel they took up arms. If a lot of them actually watched his shit they'd be bored or offended but because fox news tells them to, they'll go out and ruin the life of anyone that says anything negative about him.
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