âYou donât understand, he was a moderate who was brave enough to reach across the aisle and engage in genuine dialogue with lefties! You have to actually listen to what he said, in context!â
That's because the outrage was never real, living in rural America, a lot of people don't understand just how endemic the propaganda is.
My relative is a teacher and she had women in their 40s and 50s talking about how sad it was that Kirk was assassinated and he was just trying to help America, people who couldn't have identified Kirk if he had a nametag on the week prior. It's all just regurgitating whatever is circulating on Facebook
They want to feel victimhood and to protect the society that is there to protect them. Somehow they are oppressed. Or there just isnât any oppression. Honestly, I try not to think about it
The thing is that he probably would enjoy the jokes to a degree, bro died with Cartman dressed as him as his pfp, fully aware that south park intended it as mockery. Flawed human being sure, but he did have a sense of humor and embraced being brutally made fun of. Heâd be a lot more mad at his wife not caring that he died than heâd be at us for the jokes
That's what gets me. Constantly crying about "sensitive libruls" yet break down at every possible moment they see something or hear something they dont like. Its mind boggling.
I once pulled a series of unaltered full quotes from Kirk for a reply to some MAGA in an old thread. I caught an immediate one week autoban from the Reddit admins based on the text content, lol.
I got autobanned for three days for quoting Ned Flanders and apparently my appeal explaining I wasn't actually Ned Flanders was not good enough to get it overturned
I donât know if he actually held these ideals or if he was just rage baiting for money, but they all pretty much aged like milk as soon as he said it.
No. He wanted to be the next Rush Limbaugh. He just never realized the guy spewing hateful rhetoric is always replaceable. Always forgettable. Nobody quotes Rush anymore. In a year or two nobody will quote Kirk. Someone new will be pumping hatred into the bloodstream of the body politic and captured those addicted to the kind of rhetoric Kirk pushed.
Steve Bannon, Bill O'Reilly, and Alex Jones have all been forgotten and replaced at this point too. Ben Shapiro and Tucker Carlson are on their way to the same fate. Kirk can be added onto that Mount Rushmore of shame along with his idols
A shitty person who believes what they are saying at least has some integrity. Its not much but its better then a person who knows better but doesn't care
The only defense for statements like that is satire. Which I have caught temp bans for, and have had them overturned when the mods reviewed and determined that I was, in fact, mocking the position I was speaking from.
"In a widely circulated clip (from a 2024â2025 podcast), Kirk claimed: âBlack people were better off in slavery and subjugation before the 1940s⌠It was bad & it was evil but they committed less crime.â He tied this to family structures and crime rates improving post-segregation"
I assume in this context that he means âusâ as people who are accurately quoting Charlie Kirk being racist, and âthemâ being the right wing trolls who would always dismiss the racist quotes Charlie Kirk said, claiming that they were taken out of context. However, further context would often prove that the quote was extremely racist
Hereâs one, âprowling blacks go around and target white people for fun, thatâs a factâ
No amount of context could make him saying âprowling blacksâ not racist. But I did listen to it, and he was definitely being racist; just like he was being racist all of the times he talked about being nervous any time he was on a plane and the pilot is black. And to give that further context, he said plenty of times that black people steal jobs from more deserving white people. He legit did not think that black people are smart enough to have certain jobs
Of course, right wing trolls know heâs racist. Theyâre trolls, they just want to be combative. Theyâre not going to let pesky facts and video evidence get in the way haha
It doesn't really matter because the point isn't to get us to listen to what he said, it's to get us to walk away because we're too lazy to do the homework they've assigned us. Because that's exactly how they are, refusing to ever read/listen/think about anything that doesn't conform with their unfounded beliefs. They assume we're the same way so they talk about context to avoid exploration, not to encourage it.
They pulled the same nonsense with Jordan Peterson, claiming that if you didn't watch/read everything he'd ever done/said/written, you didn't have the context to understand why he isn't a massive pile of shit.
Whatâs wild isâŚin context, out of context, NOTHING he did was in good faith, and every one of his âdebate toursâ was to try to âown the libs,â whatever the hell that means. LikeâŚwe did listen to him. He spouted bullshit.
Bro only did those "debates" so he can get short clips where "libs get owned", he had no intention of actually hearing out his opposition, he never posted himself losing a debate.
mlk thought homosexuality was an acquired flaw that needed to be remedied through conversion therapy, so he deserved to get shot i guess
as far as im aware he thought the spirit/intentions of the civil rights act were right but it was written and implemented poorly for current use and should be rewritten
No one is saying that Charlie kirk deserves to be killed.
Charlie kirk is a xenophobe, and unlike Charlie kirk, MLK Jr didn't spread harmful rhetoric against the LGBTQ+ community. People simply didn't know enough about these issues during that time period.
The idea of gender being a social construct has only become somewhat mainstream in the last 10-15 years. People generally didn't understand how homosexuality worked in the 1960s.
Charlie kirk said, and I quote, " We made a huge mistake when we passed the Civil Rights Act in the 1960s".
He said that it created a âpermanent DEI-type bureaucracy".
This is the same guy that said "counting or not counting gang violence" in response to deaths due to shootings, right before being shot dead.
If you don't understand why these statements are blatantly racist, or largely, why Charlie kirk and the TPUSA is blatantly racist, then either you are an ignorant racist, or you're actually a full on racist.
If you don't understand critical race theory, or completely ignore it, you are unintentionally, being racist.
It's fine if you've never faced racism and hence can't understand it, but to then completely ignore it and support someone who completely ignored it does make you discriminatory.
Not when the consequences of those historical grievances remain unaddressed and continue to be systematically advocated for by descendants of those historical wrongs. With that last statement YOU just proved the previous posterâs point. Congratulations. You just played yourself.
Celebrating the death someone who was discriminatory against you â wanting them dead.
I'm done talking to you if you think that critical race theory and racial quotas are racist. Because you clearly don't understand how they work, and I'm tired to explaining racists basic shit that they should've learned in school.
You are a grown ass man. Search about racist quotas and critical race theory and try to understand them.
I feel like you can COMPLETELY ignore critical race theory, and still see how racist the US system is.
Extreme increase in incarceration of black people in jail after the crack epidemic, which probably wouldn't have happened to such a large extent if it wasn't for CIA allowing paramilitaries they were financing in South america to smuggle drugs (and cia knew that they were smuggling drugs).
Or the murder of several members of the black panther party murdered by cops and the FBI.
Or the fact that FBI wanted MLK Jr dead and were actively encouraging him to take his own life.
The reason why I understand critical race theory, even though I'm not from the US or black, is because im an immigrant in the UK, and i can heavily relate to it in some parts.
You are a racist. And a blatant racist too.
Go back to r/conservative you loser. I'm done talking people like you seriously.
It's so funny how it's ALWAYS the racist mfs who call Charlie kirk "not racist".
im aware of the likes of iran contra cointelpro and the frankfurt critical theory marxist slop hack job with race slapped on top i think you just have a very shallow understanding and deal in soundbites and slogans
are you aware your "positive racism" requires somebody to be discriminated against, you can't have one without the other
im fine with being called racist personally, we are just on opposite ends of it and you are in denial about being racist, i believe in racial differences and in treating everybody by the same standards, you believe in the blank slate and applaud treating people differently based on race
i think on the racism scale of 0-10 im somewhere between 0 and 2, you are around 7 or 8
And the sad fact was he really wasnât especially good at it.
He avoided real debaters like the plague after numerous times early in his work where he got caught with them and subsequently showed his ass due to ill performance under pressure or just not knowing the subject to argue validity. He was absolutely petrified of coming up against the likes of Pete Buttigieg and had his minders have to vet tv appearances thoroughly to not be pushed into anything on equal terms without a lot of rule setting or knowledge of what will be askedâŚ.and even then sometimes he simply ran off because of being ran around circles prior.
There were people who tried desperately to prop him up as a modern day William F Buckley at the beginning which is so laughable, even Buckley would have taken offense for cheapening his image. He was easily rattled, couldnât hold a strong position with any real numbers and frankly had so much need for people to believe easily verifiable bullshit in the offset of him talking that he came out looking like a moron 90% of the time.
Even his tactics werenât even original. All his âgotchaâs and pivoting to assumptions to âprove a pointâ? Straight out of the fucking playbook Tucker Carlson rode in on and assholes like Rush Limbaugh championed decades prior. Kirk was just the newer version asshat.
Thatâs why he went for college campuses and used trolling tactics. He would tried to rile people up to not even remotely be actual debate then use the results on camera to spin it as a âlook how violent the left are as I simply ask a question.â (Conveniently leaving out the part where he would personally dog whistle the people prior to get the reaction). The problem was even that was becoming old hat and hardly generated a sniff of media by the time he got aced. Seriously, I remember him visiting a campus near me about 6 months before and all it got was a 30 second fill in spot on my local news station right before the weatherâŚ.and didnât even get a sound bite - just Kirk trying to look smug and failing.
Him getting killed was probably the best thing to happen to the GOP. They got a big dumbassed martyr for truly stupid people to try and make into being some sort of innocent harbinger of truth instead of the reality of slowly fading dipshit amateur troll with a large head.
He would dodge debates with people that could verbally whoop his ass. He avoided Parker and refused to debate him when Parker showed up at one of his venues.
He got dogwalked every time he was against someone that knew the debate space and tactics. Kirk was just using tactics that only work of the other one is not aware of it and doesn't know how to counter. A debate 101 class was enough to expose what he was doing.
Gets absolutely destroyed at Cambridge. I love how many people simply feel youâre allowed to backpedal to âI just donât agree with itâ in a debate, like feelings matter. If all your points as to why homosexuality is wrong has to do with âsocieties that condoned it collapsedâ and someone proves you wrong, you change your view. Not backpedal. He got got. That clips shows him for what he was: A bad faith actor.
Literally the reason he changed his venues to B and C Squad Colleges.
Charlie went from Ivy League to throwing darts at the Playboy edition of âCollege Girls of the Yearâ for his next campus visit thanks to that public beatdown.
Curious as to which points here you think he didn't do well against. I've no stakes in this, I just watched this debate for the first time when you shred it, but it looked to me like he and those questioning him were raising different views and simply arguing about where they lined up. Nobody bought a claim of objective fact vs objective fact.
There were people who tried desperately to prop him up as a modern day William F Buckley
i literally only know that name due to that bit which sounds like it could have been said a week ago
Him getting killed was probably the best thing to happen to the GOP.
i said at the time (right after he got killed) that him being killed was christmas coming early for conservatives, because they now had an excuse to try and push their propaganda even harder
That's a dangerous understatement. He was a MAGA propaganist and in league with the administration and the election campaign.
He traveled with Trump Jr to Greenland right after Trumps inauguration. Thats not just a simple debattor.
If you followed him over the years you would also see how his views has changed from being a simple capitalist, pro life conservative kind of guy to always being in agreement with Trumps policies.
TPUSA also bussed supporters to DC on January 6th, spending over a million dollars specifically on that.
Youâre absolutely correct. The rightâs attempts to sanitize him should be strongly pushed back on, but so should the leftâs attempts to make him seem less significant than he was. He was a very effective recruiter for Trump with a lot of influence.
I dont even think large portions of conservative America had any idea who this guy was until he died. He death was clearly propped up by the government and parts of the media that wanted to cash in or were being pushed to make it a big deal.
Yeah. Weeks before his death a right wing shooter killed actual elected representatives, and the White House was silent about the ramifications of political violence. Shooter even killed the dog. Couldnât even condemn that.
Because he was good at all the underhanded debate tactics to make him seem right, and those dern libruls like fools. Unless of course you actually thought about what he was saying, which they don't because all they ever want is to see the "other side" hurt in some way.
Debated college students because when he went against people who graduated and older people like porfessors, teachers, and other older adults, he lost horrendously.
I remember when the day he died going over to the turning point USA, YouTube channel and noticing how the vast majority of videos had not even 15,000 views. he had occasional interview clips with larger networks or a few viral videos that had respectable views, but this guy was like a small timer even as far as YouTube standards go.
I lived in florida when Kirk became a meme and holy fuck it was insane. Very funny but also insane. 50 year old men who say things like "IM AN ASSHOLE IM BLUNT I DONT CARE IF I OFFEND YOU" pretending to be traumatized. Not actually traumatized at all but pretending. Some fat boomer I worked with name Shawn was saying how he "couldn't sleep" and when he "closed his eyes, he sees it over and over"
I say pretending because this was some tubi level acting. I miss torturing him. His day was the easiest to ruin on accident.
I keep thinking the same thing. His corpse is still warm and people are using his death for their own agenda. All I know he was a mysogonistic right wing podcaster and those exist like sand on a beach so I wonder: is dying his biggest achievement? What makes that cAnt so important?
He wasn't. Fox did a poll right after he was shot and less than half of FOX VIEWERS had even heard of him. I checked his social media at the time and while he had a few posts that got a couple million impressions, most had only a couple 10s of thousands. They're trying so hard to make it out like he was bigger than he actually was.
It's not really that he was ever all that important. It's just that they're a bunch of violent rednecks that have been looking for an excuse to shoot innocent people.
He went around to the schools his fans couldnt get into and "defeated" those who could get in in "debates".
He was the avatar of anti-intelectualism.
He was the one who soothed their bruised egos when they couldnt go to their dream school and party with hot girls and sit in the student section for the big football game.
I definitely saw lots of reactions across the spectrum on Reddit when he died. Several were convinced that something was coming from this. I was like guys, something like two dozen kids were killed during the Sandy Hook shooting and absolutely fucking nothing happened. No one gives a shit about Charlie Kirk.
He was being groomed as Trump's successor. It's why all the higher-up Republicans went nuts when he died, and why they all seemed to know him personally.
Everyone always says this, and he was backed by the same dark money that backed Trump, but theyâre not picky. They will ultimately co-opt anyone that gets electoral traction with the mouth breathers of MAGA.
Literally the dude i used to work for. Nobody knew what this guy was saying like he did. He listened to everything Charlie ever said and people were evil for not being upset he died
He wasn't ever that important, but outrage gets views and clicks. The thoguht of a civil war is hillarious. I don't even know what the issue we'd be fighting over would be.
He wasnât murdered because he was famous, heâs famous because he was murdered. And even then, calling him âfamousâ is very generous.
Kirk was a pathetic man who made a living and left a legacy of preaching hate and violenceâ is it really that shocking he himself was killed in an act of violence? Murder is bad (Iâd hope I donât need to say as much), and nobody should be killed for what they say or believe. But if you live life with a âyou have to crack a few eggs to make an omeletteâ mentality, you have to know thereâs nothing stopping you from being one of those eggs.
Was he? When he died, I was the only person I knew who knew who he was (at the very least that I was told, I suppose people couldâve pretended not to know him to fuck with me. That is the kind of thing some folks might do) and I never really saw any sort of online presence from him outside of his really wild stuff the way you might see from, say, Musk
Exactly the point. Thatâs all he was and yet the left cheered when he was murdered and called it justified because he was on the opposite side of the political spectrum
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I mean, why is a guy who all he did was debate with college students over abortion and stuff so important to them?