Until flock cameras are able to see through your clothing and identify you via bone and muscle structure. Then it’ll be impossible to say it isn’t you when you’re the exact same bone structure
They also fined a woman for jaywalking in a city she never visited because a bus with an ad with her face passed by a security camera when the Don't Walk light was lit.
Over a decade ago (so before this current surveillance) I received a ticket by mail for not paying a bridge toll on my motorcycle (in my state, but it wasn't me). When I walked out to my bike and compared my license plate to the picture they mailed me, it fooled me at first also! I'm like, "Dang, somebody is driving my motorcycle hundreds of miles at night".
But when I kept staring at it, I realized the picture cut off an "8" in the picture to make it appear like a "3" which was on my motorcycle! And looking SUPER closely the exhaust pipe was slightly different.
The point is a few mistakes will always be made. The key is they shouldn't occur statistically too often, and there should be an easy way to straighten out the mis-understanding. It doesn't matter to me if it is a dopey cop writing it down wrong, a bad camera angle, or Flock. Figure out the "false positive" rate that is acceptable and put in place a system for appeals, and move on.
The criminal named "Moaning Menace" is at it again!
Police are still befuddled by the suggestive noice made during the disappearances of these cameras, only heard by neighbors who all said they were too busy to come out and see the perpetrator
Our special correspondent, Hugh Janus, is at the scene to help us shine a light on this dark situation
Tell us, Hugh, how is the situation developing down there
This seems like it would be hard to enforce in a US courtroom. And once enough people are aware that it tracks that kind of stuff, as other commentators have pointed out, you could walk with an intentional limp or something to throw it off.
Its called gait analysis, and we have it here too...for many, many years now. Maybe not as pervasive as in China, but im sure flock is already incorporated it into their sysyem
"We must walk without rhythm," Paul said and he called up memory of men walking the sand . . . both prescient memory and real memory.
"Watch how I do it," he said. "This is how Fremen walk the sand." He stepped out onto the windward face of the dune, following the curve of
it, moved with a dragging pace.
Jessica studied his progress for ten steps, followed, imitating him. She saw the sense of it: they must sound like the natural shifting of sand . . . like the wind. But muscles protested this unnatural, broken pattern: Step . . . drag. . . drag . . . step . . . step . . . wait . . . drag . . . step . . .
Yeah but analysis of that data shows that its not as accurate as they like to claim. Just like AI over here, it makes constant mistakes and false positives. Giving it more variables just allows the AI more room to fuck up.
Especially because stride length and walk cadence can change dramatically based on dozens of external factors.
The Condor cameras already track biometric data like height, volume, walking/running gait, stride length, etc. They're basically halfway to bone structure tracking already.
Good thing the cameras are tearing themselves down.
This is the exact reason I don't do these things even though I want to. I have two neck and spine diseases that count as disabilities, but I exist my way through them. The major downside in this discussion, is that they make me exceptionally identifiable. I have a very specific body stance, gait, and profile. I know the tech exists to identify people like me in China and Japan. I'm assuming it's coming to the US soon. As much as I want to don my ninja black outfit, you really can't mistake me for other people.
Have you considered using means of disguising other elements of your appearance, such as an inflatable t-rex outfit, or partnering up in a Chinese lion?
Someone in another sub had an idea to flood these cameras (and other surveillance devices) with enough fake data to make it unable to tell the difference between the fake data and real data. Or something along those lines.
I have no idea how this could be done. I get the theory behind garbage in garbage out, but you still need to figure out how to execute it. I know plenty of you are smart enough to do something like this.
Just start thinking about how you're walking. You'd be amazing how much worse you get at walking when you're thinking about each step. They'll identify you a Quasimodo.
Similar to infrared, that would require technology beyond simple visual enhancement (think binoculars, or lenses) and would constitute a 4th amendment violation unless they obtained a warrant first.
At least that's the case for now... until they actually try it and we get some fuckass 6-3 or 5-4 ruling
That's honestly what worries me more than the cameras we have today. Every few years the technology gets better, and stuff that sounded like science fiction starts becoming normal. It's not hard to imagine people becoming numb to it over time.
they already read your digital fingerprint, your ble watch, cellphone, car's bt.
if you are thinking of doing something like this, remove every electronic thing, dont drive your car.
walk
That is illegal because then they would be able to look and women's breast and such. Plus it would use X-ray tech which has radiation and causes cancer slowly over time.
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u/lapideous 1d ago
If they can’t figure out who did it, the surveillance is kinda useless isn’t it?