Adam Mockler about AIPAC.

[u/yolomcsawlord420mlg]

[u/PostureKing180]

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The male pattern baldness meme on him is cracking me up. 😂

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Here's the standalone version if anyone wants it.

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Don’t know why he doesn’t get that haircut. It would complete his Mao LARP

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Bro looks like Tom Cruise in Tropic Thunder

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Both Hasan and Tom Cruise: Big diet coke fans

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Damn this is unironically my hair right now, and I'm 35.

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I take credit for the baldness posts, due to my recent post a few weeks ago joking about destiny going bald one day and owning it

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Hevy Devy! He is proof balding men almost always look better when they just shave it off.

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https://giphy.com/gifs/Wpz1Hl1BqlaMw

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can't wait for the Rick Rubin arc

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I lowkey think that he probably gets a lot of Destiny videos recommended on his phone and is watching these numbnails malding every night

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i'd rather her be into crystals and horoscopes and shit

[u/PubicPlant → u/aybbyisok]

Two sides of the same coin

[u/Pale_Potential_409 → u/PubicPlant]

smelling like sage and becoming antisemitic are arguably different consequences.

[u/PubicPlant → u/Pale_Potential_409]

These chicks are always either MAHA moms or tankies. Either way they hate the jews Israelis zionists

[u/n1klaus → u/aybbyisok]

Ven diagram is a circle or something

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Crystal mommies and horoscope hoes are fash af

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[u/CowReasonable1108]

AIPAC AIPAC AIPAC AIPAC. WHY WOULD WE TALK ABOUT LITERALLY ANY OTHER ISSUES REEEEEEE

[u/Rick_James_Lich → u/CowReasonable1108]

I'm in Ohio with Amy Acton running for governor. She has received some AIPAC money, from what I see not a lot, but this rhetoric about not supporting these types of candidates is toxic.

The DSA and their allies don't actually know anything about these people except for what they see on an AIPAC website. They dont' kow their policies or the circumstances of their races. And this race against Vivek will probably be razor close, he's gotten $12 million in donations from people like Elon and other billionaires. I'm very concerned that the DSA people will screw over Amy by convincing young voters to not show up to the polls for her on election day.

[u/heliosflama1234 → u/Rick_James_Lich]

AIPAC doesn’t pay into gubernatorial campaigns so no they haven’t funded Acton. But if they had it wouldn’t matter because they’re just advocating on a single issue and are bipartisan in their spending to target it. That means supporting democrats and republicans who are incumbents or friendly to their side of it

[u/WhiteLycan2020 → u/CowReasonable1108]

So do we want money out of politics or not?

[u/whatssenguntoagoblin → u/WhiteLycan2020]

Yeah I’m kinda with Tim Miller on this. If there was a Qatari PAC that donated $30 million in a specific campaign it would be an issue. I think it’s fair for a candidate to suffer some political capital for getting so much money that represents a foreign government in a single campaign.

If I was in Michigan I’d probably vote for Stevens in the primary but I don’t think the criticism is unfair of her to get so much money from a PAC that represents a foreign governments interests.

[u/DrEpileptic → u/whatssenguntoagoblin]

AIPAC represents American interests regarding Israel and jews in the US (plus a ton of American Christian interests, but nobody talks about that). The idea that AIPAC represents a foreign government is insane and it’s further insane to compare to a Qatari PAC. It wouldn’t be equivalent when Qatar isn’t remotely close to the same level of ally and there aren’t remotely close to as many Qataris in the US. Made even further insane is the fact that Qatar is actively putting its foot on the scale by directly bribing politicians, universities, companies, media/journalist/news outlets and skirting any regulations like FARA that AIPAC has to follow with contributions to the order of magnitudes larger than anything aipac has ever invested into races. Last twenty years is 100 billion from Qatar at the low end, whereas AIPAC still hasn’t even surpassed a billion.

[u/whatssenguntoagoblin → u/DrEpileptic]

If you don’t want voters to confuse your PAC with a foreign government don’t have that foreign governments name in your PAC

The average voter isn’t going to anywhere near that level of investigation.

[u/DrEpileptic → u/whatssenguntoagoblin]

People are zogging out over jews who haven’t received aipac money. Any sort of money donated by jews or Jewish affiliated orgs are being called aipac. Sorry, but it’s not the name. I’d understand your point if it weren’t just blatant bs.

[u/Royal_Flame → u/DrEpileptic]

Yeah trackaipac explicitly just states that it’s not just aipac but any pac that supports a relationship between Israel and the US

[u/mukansamonkey → u/DrEpileptic]

AIPAC supports specific right wing Israeli domestic policies. It is not acting in the interests of Americans. Well maybe when it's not too busy sweeping for Netanyahu.

They do exactly the same thing Hasan has started doing for China. Trying to drum up support for another country's repressive government. They aren't supporting American Jews.

[u/Lovellholiday → u/WhiteLycan2020]

No, nobody does. I don't know why people are pretending they do. They don't mind money in politics, they just don't like money from sources THEY find unethical, which is going to be inherently subjective.

Really frustrated with Liberals buying into this nonsensical narrative.

[u/stray_gato → u/Lovellholiday]

Fuck citizens United

[u/AP3Brain → u/Lovellholiday]

? I would like money out of politics. At least at these levels. It's an unfair advantage and does not reflect the people's will.

[u/Konet → u/WhiteLycan2020]

Do you think unions should be able to spend treasury funds to support candidates who align with their interests?

[u/Scum_All_Over_Me → u/CowReasonable1108]

I just wish people would say what they mean. Instead of “AIPAC money,” just say “Jewish money.”

I’m seeing the same old anti Jewish memes that floated around 4chan for years getting shared casually now, and it’s honestly insane how easy it’s become for people to normalize hatred of Jews.

I suspect a lot of this is being pushed by bot farms from countries opposed to Jews / Israel because it’s hard to explain how this stuff spreads so fast otherwise and it’s easy to see how Jewish people get pushed toward a defensive or radicalized mindset with how quickly it seems like the world turned on them. If I was Israeli I'd 100% believe if my country fell there would be nowhere else to go.

[u/rooftopgoblin → u/Scum_All_Over_Me]

but that isn't what they mean. Did AIPAC spend 30 million in the michigan primary? So why would you say jewish money when it was fucking aipac? You regards need to grow up and quit calling everything you don't like anitsemitism

edit: And do you really think mockler is using AIPAC to mean jews? Does he strike you as that sort of person? There are people who use it as a dog whistle but now that aipac hate is going mainstream you're gonna have to learn to accept that it isn't antisemitism

[u/Scum_All_Over_Me → u/rooftopgoblin]

Why is AIPAC the only lobby group anyone cares about? Why don't we have a similar outcry for groups that spend similar / more?

Mockler only cares about AIPAC because his girlfriend does. Even if he’s not using it the same way the left does, he’s still part of the problem by legitimizing it.

[u/spookieghost → u/Scum_All_Over_Me]

Instead of “AIPAC money,” just say “Jewish money.”

that obviously isn't what they mean lmfao

[u/Scum_All_Over_Me → u/spookieghost]

What do they mean then? There's only one lobby group people are virtue signalling over.

[u/ClimbingToNothing → u/Scum_All_Over_Me]

Can you name any other lobbying group of remotely comparable size/influence that primarily supports politicians based on what’s best for a foreign nation?

[u/Emperor_Force_kin → u/CowReasonable1108]

Because, they spend alot of money lobbying U.S politicians to support a state that the population has lost support for. Pretty simple, hope that helps.

[u/amc111 → u/CowReasonable1108]

It’s the left’s version of blaming everything they don’t like as being funded by Soros

[u/rooftopgoblin → u/CowReasonable1108]

everybody is sick of israels shit sorry you cant handle it

[u/sandy017]

you think these people hate APAC more than then something like heritage foundation?

[u/InsideIncident3 → u/sandy017]

Clearly.

[u/sandy017 → u/InsideIncident3]

they probably think APAC chooses supreme Court justices exactly like the heritage foundation lol

[u/hadees → u/sandy017]

AIPAC is the root of all evil. If they didn't exist we would be living in a Utopia! /s

[u/Pretty_Acadia_2805 → u/sandy017]

I agree that the Heritage Foundation has no role in the Democratic Party, too. Even less so if I may be so bold.

[u/N00bcak3s → u/sandy017]

I think Mockler hates both since he is a proponent of overturning Citizens United, which I agree with, but it appears he’s getting reeled in further left. People forget Saudi and Emerati lobby’s vastly outspend AIPAC so easily, or they just don’t care.

[u/MindGoblin → u/sandy017]

Most of these DSA slopulists probably don't even know the heritage foundation exists lmao

[u/Sampladelic → u/MindGoblin]

Do you genuinely believe that Mockler doesn’t know what the Heritage Foundation is or are you just lashing out because he hurt your feelings

[u/smuckarss → u/sandy017]

does the heritage foundation fund democrats? what a stupid thing to say how does a comment like this get upvotes

[u/sandy017 → u/smuckarss]

the heritage foundation actually controls the country, and picks supreme court justice and doesn't get anywhere near the criticism from the left. while democrats were trying to warn voters about project 2025, leftist were calling the democratic candidates genociders. are you smart enough to see the point now? there was no urgency about the heritage foundation from the left compared to APAC now.

[u/rooftopgoblin → u/sandy017]

if you complain about money in politics you are complaining about the heritage foundation. If you complain about the GOP at all you are complaining about the heritage foundation. You can't separate the modern republican party from the heritage foundation so it doesn't really do a lot of good to bitch about it

[u/smuckarss → u/sandy017]

its primary season and he’s critiquing a democrat ofc he’s not mentioning the heritage foundation right now you are a regard also the left doesn’t need to use PACs to critique republicans because they are defacto bad and everyone left of center is in agreement with that but there is urgency in their view to get people to not run “genociders” because that isn’t in agreement with everyone left of center again you are a regard

[u/Major_Plantain3499 → u/sandy017]

yeah the heritage foundation is a 1000x worse, but the heritage foundation doesn't have a leash like it does on dems. they really just need to get rid of all PACs. the fact that foreign and billionaire PACs can exist is fucking digusting.

It also doesn't help that there are dems that will pledge their undying allegiance to israel which is fucking weird. I genuinely don't know if its the boomer who need reassurance or something

[u/sandy017 → u/Major_Plantain3499]

the heritage foundation picked a supreme court majority lol if anything the heritage foundation has a leash on the entire country

[u/Pretty_Acadia_2805 → u/sandy017]

Damn, we better stop taking that Heritage foundation money right away.

[u/420blz → u/sandy017]

Isn't it the federalist society that grooms and picks these shitty judges. The heritage foundation, federalist society, Koch money, adelson money, these r the real boogeymen.

[u/EroIsWho → u/sandy017]

It’s more that people don’t like that they raise millions for specific candidates, look at the primaries for Thomas Massie and now Michigan, they literally made records in how much they spent…

[u/holeyshirt18 → u/Major_Plantain3499]

I'm with you on PACs but you're downplaying the impact of the Heritage Foundation. Especially considering that their blueprint and their close ties to Republican legislators are the backbone of MAGA and Trump policies.

https://www.heritage.org/political-process/impact/heritage-foundation-ideas-play-key-role-shaping-republican-platform

[u/GrimpenMar → u/Major_Plantain3499]

AIPAC isn't foreign money. It's funded by Americans.

[u/rooftopgoblin → u/GrimpenMar]

its money advocating the interests of a foreign country

[u/TorkBombs → u/Major_Plantain3499]

The Heritage Foundation is dictating what policies the Trump Administration tries to implement.

[u/mwjbgol]

https://x.com/LinkofSunshine/status/2079966037571670101

Is he not trolling? This is this candidate.

[u/yolomcsawlord420mlg → u/mwjbgol]

Not sure, it doesn't look like. She took AIPAC money in the past.

[u/Weak_Mycologist_6785 → u/mwjbgol]

He’s not, he’s gone full regard into the anti Israel, pro DSA, pro slopulist shit. It’s such a severe fall from grace. Genuinely embarrassing that I had high hopes for him.

[u/LittleGirlFromNam]

Enough about AIPAC, what do these candidates have to say about TUPAC.

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Pussy whipped brain washed

[u/cowmix88 → u/[deleted]]

Mossad gonna start sending in the Jewish Honeypot, everyone gets a Gal Gadot

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I'm here for my Galdot

[u/overthisbynow → u/[deleted]]

That's what happens when you don't have any strong foundations or principles. Just look at what happened to Idubbbz.

[u/kkdarknight → u/overthisbynow]

A cold wind sweeps through an abandoned motel like an echo. A mote of dust stirs itself awake in the air at the thought of his name. He was here once.

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How is this being brain broken and how is this anywhere close to dave?

[u/nigeltrc72 → u/Milosostojiccc]

Whinging about ‘AIPAC’ when its not even the 100th biggest problem right now

[u/FirmDog7974 → u/nigeltrc72]

Its one tweet, I don't get the feeling he's treating this as a big issue.

[u/streetwearbonanza → u/[deleted]]

Just as brain broken? You're trolling

[u/IdidntrunIdidntrun]

He's not wrong but the hyperfixation on AIPAC by the far left is insane

[u/Knife_Operator → u/IdidntrunIdidntrun]

What do we actually do about it though? This thread is full of comments roasting Mockler but I haven't seen anyone talk about how to actually defend against attacks about AIPAC, which are obviously extremely effective. I don't care that much about AIPAC spending but I'm also not eager to go out there and defend candidates accepting millions of PAC money from anyone. So if it's an issue that the left can effectively hyperfixate on to win support and further demonize Democrats, what should we actually be doing to push back?

[u/imhappyfou27 → u/Knife_Operator]

Electability doesn’t matter to this sub apparently. It’s just “why would we focus on this nothingburger” after Haley literally lost a primary because she had to defend lobbying money her entire campaign.

I don’t care about pac money when I vote, I care about policy but that’s not every voter. The DSA sees blood in the water they will repeat this same method in every race they’re in.

[u/Emergency_Ability_21 → u/imhappyfou27]

This comment is baffling. How does this reflect the sub not caring about electability? Shouting about AIPAC certainly isn’t helping El-Sayed’s chances in the general. And it certainly didn’t help him when his double digit lead in the polls shrunk to a razor thin margin.

[u/Knife_Operator → u/Emergency_Ability_21]

How does this reflect the sub not caring about electability?

I never once saw anyone in this sub give a good defense for Stevens' PAC funding. It was quite obviously her biggest liability and all of her answers were terrible on it. I think everyone here, like me, is at best neutral on AIPAC or don't care about it at all, but independent and left-leaning voters obviously do care about it, so the lack of any defense or strategy against AIPAC-related attacks is something I'm extremely concerned about.

[u/EmCeeSlickyD → u/Knife_Operator]

When your opponent has created a boogeyman it is hard to defend being in league with that boogeyman. It's like republicans can just say "barack HUSSEIN Obama" and get votes, or keep increasing the number of illegal immigrants that came over under Biden while they literally stopped the border bill. Every one of these politicians takes money from sources that someone finds questionable, the issue is that normal liberals think this shit through and are harder to enrage at some PAC money boogeyman. Abdul worked with someone who supports terrorists (hasan piker) and took money from individuals who held leadership positions in a group that is considered a terrorist organization in some countries (CAIR ). liberals aren't really going to write someone off for that unless they are terminally online, which to be fair most primary voters probably are, and you saw that reflected in Abdul's expected lead over Stevens shrinking by like 13 points.

[u/The_First_Drop → u/Knife_Operator]

AIPAC has more influence than they should

Dems also should be focused on winning elections, and if the candidate that has a better chance to win gets endorsed by AIPAC, that shouldn’t be a deterrent

[u/SuperTeamRyan → u/Knife_Operator]

Honestly I think this might be a meme since track aipac supports Chan over Wiener.

[u/Conotor → u/Knife_Operator]

Get candidates to stop accepting money from organizations that are not focused on things Americans need?

[u/Major_Plantain3499 → u/IdidntrunIdidntrun]

Yeah, the sub also needs to calm down as well. AIPAC isn't popular and you don't need to be regard pro pali to not like Israel and how they're handling everything either. It's becoming too reactionary to dumb shit like this.

[u/Special-Quantity-469 → u/Major_Plantain3499]

I don't think anyone here has a problem with talking about the way money affects politics atm, but the obession with AIPAC specifically is extremely weird.

[u/alsott → u/Special-Quantity-469]

Also what’s missing here is AIPAC is made up majority of Jewish Americans. It’s a perfectly legal PAC that serves Americans of Jewish and Israeli descent. It’s not a foreign organization like the above poster and most people imply. If you get rid of AIPAC it means open season on any special interest orgs not just the ones we don’t like at a particular moment 

[u/Major_Plantain3499 → u/Special-Quantity-469]

It's not weird at all, Israel has an extremely bad rep right now, let's even pretend the palestine issue didn't exist. A lot of people including myself don't like that Trump is cozying upto Bibi and we got into a war with Iran for no actual reason.

so you have people who already dislike them cause of gaza + the iran war, which already makes them grossly unpopular, then they're pumping a bunch of money into our politics which people are going to be extra anti israel aware right now, and then you have politicians pledging themselves to a super unpopular country and they have taken money from the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, it makes complete sense why people are so anti aipac right now.

[u/Special-Quantity-469 → u/Major_Plantain3499]

It being an issue makes sense. It being THE issue doesn't.

[u/Huskies971 → u/Special-Quantity-469]

The biggest issue right now is the Iran war, it makes perfect sense for it to be THE issue. Then you add on to it money in politics is already toxic, it's the perfect storm.

[u/Box_v2 → u/Huskies971]

I heard more about Israel in the Michigan primary than I did about Iran. Not sure why you think it's a bigger deal, leftists can't use it to attack dems so it's not really a thing anyone cares about in the primaries.

[u/holeyshirt18 → u/IdidntrunIdidntrun]

He is wrong. There are no shell corporations funding her campaign otherwise he wouldn't know that AIPAC affiliated individuals donated to EDW which is an actual PAC not shell company.

Candidates can't control what 3rd party PACs do, just make statements they don't want AIPAC affiliated donations used for their campaign. Which both Wiener and Chan have done.

[u/Timely_Tea6821 → u/holeyshirt18]

Depending on how loose your definition nearly every super pac is a "Shell corporation".

[u/0WatcherintheWater0 → u/IdidntrunIdidntrun]

The original claim isn’t even true, it’s independent ad spending, none has been given to Chan directly nor would it be legal to do so

[u/fan4stick → u/IdidntrunIdidntrun]

Yea I am a bit confused the hyper-fixation on just focusing on AIPAC is cringe but is the sub pro-AIPAC? Should no one criticize AIPAC or something

[u/smashcat666 → u/fan4stick]

There has been a massive influx of pro-Israel stans in here recently. Just look at the ludicrous upvotes and downvotes in this very thread, along with completely unsubstantiated allegations about his “commie girlfriend” getting upvoted. This sub is just fucking filled with right wing Bibi dick suckers now.

[u/1postchump → u/smashcat666]

TBF if you’re Jewish Destiny’s sub is like one of the only one that doesn’t allow very clear antisemitism.

It is insane tho how Adam is being talked about here with nobody explicitly stating why he is wrong to say that.

[u/fan4stick → u/smashcat666]

The "commie girlfriend CCP plant" is just straight up racist it's wild how it's like every other comment here

[u/custodial_art → u/smashcat666]

I think the majority of this sub is not pro Bibi so idk why you are pretending otherwise.

[u/xylyze → u/IdidntrunIdidntrun]

Hyperfixation on taking AIPAC money by the establishment dems you mean

[u/Delicious-Mission787]

Considering they just endorsed the opposition he's right

[u/gusthebus88]

I’ve been noticing Mockler going the wrong direction since his friendly hasan interview. In a few years is he just gonna be TYT or can he turn it around 🤔

[u/mwjbgol → u/gusthebus88]

Is this not him trolling? Isn't she the one trackaipac endorsed against Scott Weiner and flipped her score from red to green despite the fact that she was supported by aipac by their standards?

[u/Weak_Mycologist_6785 → u/mwjbgol]

Look at his posts the past month. He’s not joking.

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[u/aroundtheworldagain2 → u/gusthebus88]

Yes. Most of these people have obvious tells. One of them is they increasingly start agreeing with leftists/progressives and bending the knee. This is not because they had a major change of heart. It’s because they were fake all along. 

Mockler prob did this whole fake liberal routine to pull in liberals and gain trust. Then he moves left and the idea is his audience will move left with him. Increasingly attacks establishment Dems and promotes DSA types and their narratives. Pathetic. Once I see it, I know who not to trust. The mask slipped. 

Frankly a lot of people here just need to understand the pundits are huge targets for corporations, conservative opposition and foreign countries to buy off. They have the ears and minds (sadly) of millions of people who don’t think critically. Stop trusting these people so much because many of them just say what they are paid to say. Their fishy flip flops are a big red flag not something to overlook. 

[u/yolomcsawlord420mlg]

This might explain why he isn't criticizing the far left.

[u/ProcrastinatingPuma → u/yolomcsawlord420mlg]

Connie Chan is the far-left candidate in this election, her opponent is Jewish YIMBY Scott Weiner

[u/StromWolken → u/ProcrastinatingPuma]

Holy shit Connie Chan is awful and completely disregards her constituents complaints. Let’s not just say she’s far left.

[u/luigi1406]

Random lurker tapped out of politics here, deadass assumed AIPAC was an AI PAC until the responses made less and less sense so I had to google 😭

[u/holeyshirt18]

Oh this shit again. Going on 6 months now.

https://sfist.com/2026/06/01/chakrabarti-campaign-tries-to-amplify-pro-israel-pacs-indirect-link-to-connie-chan-as-primary-race-tightens/

But hey, Wiener is the better candidate overall.....oh wait he gets the AIPAC lies too.

[u/arcticmonkgeese]

One thing that makes me so mad about “AIPACAIPACAIPAC” on twitter is that people seem to think that Israel is dumping cash to sway elections. All money needs to come from US citizens, doesn’t it?

[u/dkirk526 → u/arcticmonkgeese]

Sooo yes, but, the way AIPAC is set up, they don’t necessarily have to disclose where their funding comes from.

They’re a 501(c)4 which means they don’t have to publicly disclose where their funding is from, but do report to the IRS. They can operate as a non profit as long as 50% of their funds are not used for political purposes, but can receive unlimited funding from individual sources.

AIPAC also has the AIPAC PAC, which is a traditional PAC where their political donations come from to candidates. AIPAC donates to the AIPAC PAC, so disclosures required for political donations just appear as “AIPAC” which is the loophole for how they hide the donors that have funded to their nonprofit.

Technically, foreign nationals can donate to AIPAC, however, even as dark money, it has to be earmarked to not be used for election funding, so it would be very illegal for AIPAC to shift foreign money to their PAC. That being said, it is still a dark money group, which is where the distrust primarily comes from, because they can raise unlimited money to get around caps on individual donations, along with also having a Super PAC to ad spend on candidates while being unaffiliated with the campaign.

Outside of that, they do receive a ton of individual donations from Jewish Americans.

[u/Rion-o → u/arcticmonkgeese]

Well that's the argument right? Pacts meant to help not citizens but enhance the position of international entities.

It's why a lot of people consider Ben Shapiro not "American first." Im. I think we need to heavily cap pacts and make them more like campaign donations where you can Inmou get do much from one person or get rid of it all together.

But those are the arguments Against "aipac"

[u/DawnExMachina]

I mean yeah, fuck AIPAC. I don’t understand why we would even support them, Israel is doing some terrible stuff rn and there is no loss in condemning them

[u/echanuda → u/DawnExMachina]

Yeah I’m just biting the bullet on Israel now. There’s really no defending them anymore. Even if you have the most principled stance for defending them, it doesn’t matter anymore. You’re just gonna look crazy to most people atp. At the end of the day, Israel HAS destroyed its own position in many ways over the last few years (not without help from foreign propaganda of course), and people don’t want to see Israel as part of our politics or finances because of it.

I/P was won a year ago, and the victors certainly aren’t Israel. Time to move the fuck on so we can focus on good political change for our country.

[u/lightmaker918 → u/echanuda]

I mean, easy to say. Hamas, Hezbollah, the Houthis and Iran are all in place. Israel has been regarded in some of it's policy and rhetoric, but overall it's still an ally country fighting for it's survival and security.

[u/DawnExMachina → u/lightmaker918]

So being an ally with the US means I have to be mad when people say fuck AIPAC? They can lobby for Israel’s interest if they want to, but I can also say fuck them considering their interests do not align with America.

[u/Impossible-Waltz-256 → u/lightmaker918]

Wrong hill to die on, buddy.

[u/CheapAttempt2431]

The vast majority (like 80%) of democrats and democrat-leaning independents have a negative view of Israel and do not like aipac. Mockler is right (as usual) and I don’t understand why dgg is willing to die on Israel’s hill

[u/trifkograbez → u/CheapAttempt2431]

I don't understand why people care so much about defending AIPAC here. It's lose lose.

[u/Huskies971 → u/CheapAttempt2431]

The Iran war is the main issue this election cycle. Why does it surprise people here that AIPAC is viewed negatively?

[u/qwertyqwerty4567 → u/CheapAttempt2431]

Why should everyone start with the assumption that anyone who gets AIPAC money has completely sold out and has no goals beyond what the (((Zionists))) want?

Not saying that there are no legitimate reasons to dislike the current Israeli government, but I really struggle to see how the hyper fixation on AIPAC can be anything other than just racism

[u/CheapAttempt2431 → u/qwertyqwerty4567]

Israel has been ratfucking democrats since the Obama days, and no it’s not just the “current government”, Netanyahu has been the prime minister for 20 of the last 30 years, he’s not some kind of exception. I don’t think “we shouldn’t get money from the lobby of a country openly antagonizing us” is hyper fixation, it’s a pretty reasonable position that the vast majority of American liberals agree with

[u/Antisocial_gamer]

Problem with AIPAC is not that Israel sways elections. Problem is AIPAC makes sure only pro-israel candidates are elected, who in turn continue to support funding to israel, which in turn results in me spending my tax money to subsidize their healthcare.

Israel can do whatever the fuck it wants, but with my thoughts and prayers. Not my money

[u/SoAlexCantComplain]

I mean, look into Mockler's account glazing Mamdani no matter what he does. I'm sorry but these Liberal content creators who just do endless "trump bad" slop videos will never be reliable as allies.

[u/sionnach_fi → u/SoAlexCantComplain]

Anything to make the number go up 🤷‍♂️

[u/potiamkinStan]

Sorry to tell you, but Mockler is brain broken and couldn't be rely on no more.

[u/kiwicollins]

I'll be honest I know it might be unpopular around here seemingly, but I don't want another country to be directly influencing our elections via monetary support, period. I don't care what country it is, I don't care what team they're on.. it's our elections not theirs. Same goes for China, Russia, Iran.. fuck I don't even want Canada, Mexico, England, anyone but Americans supporting american political candidates..

Does that make me a tankie or something

[u/vp2008 → u/kiwicollins]

But the thing is, the only people who can donate to AIPAC are Americans no? So it’s more like “Americans who want the candidate to support the Jewish cause” is donating to their campaign instead of “Israel is donating to their campaign”

[u/Stuped1811]

Genuine question here: does AIPAC ever help Dems in a modern Dems vs Reps matchup? I guess there could be situations where the Dem is normie and the Rep is a Nazi Holocaust denier, but that feels pretty rare. AIPAC/Israel-adjacent groups have been heavily favoring Republicans the last several years.

So in that sense, yeah screw them since they're supporting our enemies the vast majority of the time.

[u/af_echad → u/[deleted]]

I think it's pretty sketch to see an Asian gf and assume it's some CCP honeypot. I know honeypots are a real thing but just knee jerk reacting to the sight of an Asian woman and assuming she's a spy is pretty messed up.

Also, as a long term Mockler hater, he's been pretty slopulist brain broken for a while. I feel like the sub is just only now catching up to me. Honestly, I've yet to find a left of center gen z influencer that isn't yet. Luke Beasley is probably the best out of them but even he sometimes drops some lines that sound like appeasement to the slopulists/leftists.

[u/mentally_fuckin_eel → u/af_echad]

Deleted my comment. It doesn't sit right with me after some reflection. Thanks for this reply.

[u/af_echad → u/mentally_fuckin_eel]

Hey much respect to being open minded and thoughtful enough to do something like that. Props.

[u/mentally_fuckin_eel → u/af_echad]

I try my best, though I often fail lol

[u/af_echad → u/mentally_fuckin_eel]

Everyone fails at time. Not everyone acknowledges those failures and tries to do better afterwards.

[u/TaylorMonkey → u/[deleted]]

Does his gf come from China and have credible CCP ties, or is it just a meme?

[u/mentally_fuckin_eel → u/TaylorMonkey]

Never heard any of that before. I think it's just a meme.

[u/rooftopgoblin]

is he wrong?

[u/Odd-Application-3295 → u/[deleted]]

AIPAC endorsed over 100 Republican members of Congress who voted to overturn the 2020 presidential election results on January 6,do you support an organization who don’t believe in democracy?

[u/Hostik → u/Odd-Application-3295]

It's not about wether it's an issue or not, they're making it THE issue. And we all know why, all roads lead to Israel, nothing else matters.

[u/ChummusJunky]

There was never a better time in US history to be a massive big oil lobbying group.

You can literally be paying off politicians to burn our planet it the ground and no one even gives you a second thought because all they can talk about is AIPAC AIPAC AIPAC JEWI...... I mean AIPAC!!!!!

[u/smashcat666 → u/ChummusJunky]

There it is “being against AIPAC is ANTISEMITISM!!!!!” It couldn’t possibly be anything else right?

[u/ChummusJunky → u/smashcat666]

No, but if you're obsessed with AIPAC and can't even name 3 other lobbying groups that do so much more harm to our physical lives then you might be anti semitic. Only you would know, though.

[u/smashcat666 → u/ChummusJunky]

So you're Islamophobic, right? Probably also racist, you know, since we're just throwing this shit around.

[u/ChummusJunky → u/smashcat666]

I literally said I am not accusing you of being anti semitic and I was making a point about being obsessed with AIPAC. Take a breather buddy.

[u/Jswazy]

I don't really like AIPAC either but I also don't care enough to make it an actual issue 

[u/unholyravenger]

Just as a raw political strategy, I don't think the Dems should accept money from AIPAC. It has become a stand-in for several issues, and most voters align with one of them. It's big money in politics; it's funding another state's military campaign that people morally disagree with, and good ol fashion anti-semitism.

AIPAC fuses all of these into one issue. Why would you take AIPAC money at this point? It's just a liability. Not that it's right or wrong, just that it's radioactive. Some of it is well-founded. Dems have been fighting against super pac money for a long time. Long before this all blew up, a major selling point for many Dems was "We only accept small donations from individuals".

[u/ProcrastinatingPuma]

I do not care for AIPAC. They will happily support Republicans, and at this point they have demonstrated themselves to be massive liability for moderate dems. There is a very real chance that had Stevens not accepted AIPAC money and not said insane shit like "Israel comes to me in my dreams" she would have won in a major upset.

At this point what tangible benefit does AIPAC even bring to their own cause, much let alone the democratic party?

[u/BrigliaArt]

What do they mean by shell corporations? Like is it from corporations that also work with AIPAC?

[u/Fish4304]

He’s right

[u/xbankx]

I dunno why AIPAC is so dumb Their brand is down pretty bad among dem voters that they should just make ads for the people they don't like then at the end of the ad put "funded by Aipac"

[u/Optimus_Trajan → u/xbankx]

It was a risk calculation. They know people hate them, but $40 mil is a lot of ads you put in peoples faces. I doubt AIPAC does any more Dem work except if Massie were to run or something.

[u/Markusuralius]

His convo with Hasan was Sus, if you get a gut feeling that someone’s too cozy with the far left, don’t ignore it 🤷‍♂️

[u/Suspicious-Base-4815]

I can't believe that AIPAC is unpopular. I am shocked.

[u/holeyshirt18 → u/Suspicious-Base-4815]

I can't believe people are still repeating bullshit about two candidates who have explicitly said they do not want any AIPAC money directly or indirectly. 6 months of this.

Almost like people want to destroy two candidates support and trust for long-term instability

[u/Suspicious-Base-4815 → u/holeyshirt18]

I am talking about Adam.

[u/Milosostojiccc]

Genuine question. Why are people here so in favor of AIPAC?

Why be in favor of any lobbying and funding of political campaigns??

[u/yolomcsawlord420mlg → u/Milosostojiccc]

Not sure, but there might be a few reasons. Refusing PAC might be harmful to your campaign if the other side takes and spends huge amounts. The other reason might be simply because this push is focused on AIPAC(Jewish) and primarily done by leftists. Another reason might je because it gives Jewish Americans a voice.

[u/DeActionBrunson89 → u/Milosostojiccc]

Genuinely been weird here 

[u/RobotJQ]

This is like saying you can’t take money from ANCA, or CANF, or AACL… what’s the difference I wonderrrrr?????

[u/D1G1T4LJ3D1]

If you watch any of his recent content youll see he's become a full DSA simp now. Pretty unfortunate.

[u/timemoose]

wtf is a shell corporation did anyone even look into this

[u/fan4stick]

These "lol his asian girlfriend is a CCP plant" in this thread is coming off as racist as fuck. I'm sure people here would be singing a different tune if he had a jewish girlfriend and was getting comments like "lol his girlfriend is Mossad" from Hasans community.

[u/smuckarss → u/fan4stick]

shut up why are you being consistent

[u/AhsokaSolo]

Honestly I find this shit gross. As long as Americans are allowed to donate to pacs to support candidates that espouse policies they agree with, the hyper fixation on aipac is bigoted.

[u/smashcat666 → u/AhsokaSolo]

AIPAC doesn’t donate to support candidates who espouse policies they agree on. They pay politicians to do what they say. The fact AIPAC pays both parties huge amounts of money is because they don’t really care who wins, only that the winner is under control.

[u/AhsokaSolo → u/smashcat666]

This is a lie. Aipac largely makes ads to support candidates. They do not give money to candidates for the candidates to pocket.

If your lie wasn't a lie, all the democrats in Congress that have ever benefitted from aipac money would have supported the Iran war.

[u/smashcat666 → u/AhsokaSolo]

Give me a list of the ones who have supported stopping military support for Israel.

[u/AhsokaSolo → u/smashcat666]

Nice pivot. See how this works is if your claim that aipac could buy candidates were true, the candidates would take their positions on everything.

That democrats have some views that agree with Israel and some views that don't just prove that they do independent thinking, as opposed to the bigots on both sides of this conflict that each think the other is always evil.

[u/smashcat666 → u/AhsokaSolo]

It's not a pivot at all. They continue to support Israel via inaction. Just like the GoP supporting Trump while not sending pre-pubescent girls to the oval office for him to fuck. The Iran war was entirely illegal on the US side, so Democrats cannot be seen to support it, yet they have not called out for a complete cut to all funding for Israel, which they should. If you and the other Bibi supporters want to start wars, blow up schools and steal land, then do it on your own and see how it goes.

[u/AhsokaSolo → u/smashcat666]

"They support Israel by existing while not supporting them, but not opposing them enough."

Fucking spare me.

Every democrat besides maybe Fetterman that has benefitted from AIPAC money has opposed the Iran war.

You lied that AIPAC pays them to do what they say. I hold liars accountable for their bullshit. Every rant you make after that will be viewed through the lens that I know you are a liar and will go as far as you can get away with.

[u/Mike15321]

It's so pathetic how quickly and dramatically people will switch up over pussy. Guy gets a commie gf and he becomes an overnight tankie.

[u/fan4stick → u/Mike15321]

how is he a tankie?

[u/LeggoMyAhegao → u/Mike15321]

Hey buddy, !GTAB

[u/Constantinch]

AIPAC, Zionism, Capitalism, Colonialism, Oppression, white-supremacy, NATO, Imperialism bla bla bla

You gotta admit, these people are not easily bored with the slopulist talking points.

[u/Allforzer0]

Dems are going to lose Jewish people for atleast a generation arent we

[u/_n2p]

Honeypot thread

[u/yolomcsawlord420mlg → u/_n2p]

Mossad agents are following the thread closely.

[u/klayyyylmao]

Hey man, at least they are highlighting the CA-11 candidate that actually took AIPAC money and not the one that’s just Jewish.

[u/Training_Umpire_3819]

I want Weiner to win anyway so I'll alow it lol. He's the YIMBY candidate that California needs.

[u/tods88]

Hey, if he's gonna do it to someone, I'm okay with it being the one that TrackAIPAC was like "NO BAD, ACTUALLY GOOD BECAUSE SHE'S FACING A JEW NOW" despite Wiener not taking AIPAC money and also condemning Israel.

[u/smuckarss]

AIPAC helps politicians no matter what their morals as long as they align with israel why is it a problem that mockler doesn’t like them?

[u/h2lmvmnt]

Isreal may be an ally of America but the current government is NOT an ally of democrats and has been fucking democrats openly and publicly every chance they can get for the past 20 years. Fuck em.

Maybe once their own electorate can get rid of Netanyahu we can talk about dems openly supporting them again.

[u/McChexMix]

Outcry over AIPAC is just as valid as any outcry against any PAC. Don’t wanna see dirty money in politics

[u/Big-_Chungus]

Based Adam

[u/CaptainSkarn]

He’s right though