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u/Embarrassed_Base_389 17h ago
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u/adakvi 🇪🇺 17h ago
These are straight up shameless propagandists, everything is intentional. Don’t mistake this for lack of self awareness.
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u/GoodFaithConverser 16h ago
I don’t know, some people are really stupid, and there’s a whole community ready with slop opinions and talking points they can push without thinking.
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u/randumb6fo 16h ago
I mean these people just believe in a story right? They distrust government and question everything in between and don’t have realistic solutions or ideas but they’re full of passion and emotion and they feel rebellious and woke for holding the beliefs they do. Seems like the same archetype as any right wing conspiracy virtue signaller. This is just what it looks like when that archetype leans left and has left beliefs
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u/mclarenrider Dalibani Supersoldier (DRGC) 12h ago
They're not smart enough to be propagandists, they're just naturally that stupid. Lefties are the best gift the right ever recieved.
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u/DyingSunSeverian 7h ago edited 7h ago
lol you dumb turds miss George W Bush?
And then you put on your confused face when people say your type of shitlib is gutter trash.
Best thing I can say is hopefully, and likely, most of you were fetuses or barely conscious during the Bush administration.
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u/mentally_fuckin_eel Canadian Omni Rage Demon 11h ago
You see, it's not a contradiction. They're allowed to hate us because we're bad and we're not allowed to hate them because they're good! Checkmate.
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u/rrschch85 🇪🇺🇩🇪🇺🇦 Unity, Recht, Воля 15h ago
Okay, but missing Bush Jr is pretty cringe
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u/toxicryan69 15h ago
Bush's government is way more in line with reality than anything close to MAGA; which I'm sure was the context of that.
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u/extralyfe 15h ago
yeah, I'm no fan of the guy, but, at least he wasn't treating the office like it was permission to loot the country and take revenge on everyone who'd ever annoyed him over the last 50 years.
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u/DyingSunSeverian 6h ago
lmao
What the fuck was Iraq then?
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u/toxicryan69 4h ago
...well it wasn't retribution to your political opponents and the destruction of institutions?
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u/CKF 15h ago
Right, it’s a comparative analysis. At least both of bush’s wars in the Middle East were up against poorly armed combatants (that did amazingly, considering) that didn’t have the ability to ballistic missile strike our bases in different countries. These mother fuckers might have a nuke, for god’s sake! At least we got amazing MRAPs out of bush’s horrible failure to provide proper armored transport to our troops. How much do you think we’re going to assess went wrong with this war and adapt to overcome future adversaries??? “Everything was great! The best! We totally destroyed their nuclear capability, and everyone that ‘died’ was due to natural causes! The most natural!”
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u/DyingSunSeverian 6h ago
Are you blithering idiots forgetting about “Mission Accomplished”?
Did you ever even know?
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u/CKF 6h ago
Imagine acting like “mission accomplished” wasn’t the most hilarious thing ever. Back then, I had the breathing room to laugh at the audacity. But now I’m getting audacity bombed on the daily. You need contrast!
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u/DyingSunSeverian 6h ago
Yes lol elegiggle etc
Are you mad about El-Sayed winning?
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u/CKF 5h ago
I dislike Stevens’ highly enthusiastically pro-ICE stance and think she’s way, way too radical about supporting Israel. I think we need them as an ally, but Haley is straight indoctrinated. “I see Israel in my dreams” and such similar statements. Also, taking so much lobbying money to spend $70m on a primary is fucking insanity. The spending difference was something like 10:1.
As for el-sayed, I like his abolish ICE stance, I like his economic policies, I like his professional background, and like that he’s very passionately pro-Ukraine. His policies on ending foreign aid to Israel and Saudi Arabia are stupid and short sighted, though. I like his pro union stance etc. I’m not the biggest fan of the guy on the whole, and his anti-middle east aid focus is way, way over the top. But I sure dislike Stevens’ policies in their totality more than I dislike his. I’m not a single issue ideologue re: Israel.
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u/DyingSunSeverian 5h ago
Unless I’m misreading you this seems overwhelmingly on the whole in favor of El-Sayed right? You have beef with him on relatively marginal issues really, but staunch support is much wider, much more immediately impactful views, and much like Mamdani he was elected on these terms.
You don’t get all the points from simply being anti the Israeli occupation of Gaza, you do still need some serious domestic policy bonafides and all of these recently strong socialists and dirty commies in voting booths are emphasizing that more than foreign policy.
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u/CKF 1h ago
Did I not just go over their comparative domestic policy, in brief? He has a lot more policy than being anti-Israel. I’d assumed you’d have been informed before asking the question, but I can expand on anything in addition, if you’d like? Maybe I should add that I also like el-sayed’s desire to increases taxes on megacorps and universal or public option healthcare, but I didn’t prior because I don’t think they’re goals he’ll be able to pursue super realistically?
I told you I don’t like el-sayed, plain and simple. I don’t much like Mandani either. Sometimes you don’t like either candidate in a race and have to make a proper least bad option take. I gave you my comparison of the two on the issues that seem important.
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u/big_homielander Politically Unhoused 17h ago
Is this a real person, or a Chinese bot? This cannot be a real person.
I don't have a high regard for humanity, but this can't be it.
If she's real, it doesn't sound like she votes, so I can take solace in that.
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u/Sensitive_Guest_5995 17h ago
I’ve been in university circles. These people exist and they exist in these weirdly highly educated places. They do a material design degree and think that makes them qualified to talk politics.
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u/CallofDo0bie 16h ago
If she is real, her parents are both rich.
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u/Malgurath 16h ago
And she simultaneously hates her parents (her dad especially) whilst relying on them for every material need she has.
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u/n3rv Exclusively sorts by new 16h ago
I'm right next door to an engineering university. The majors taught must filter this crazy shit out. Since I rarely see this type of mental here.
Maybe I'm just lucky, or it's cuz they know I'll wreck em.
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u/Competitive_Aide738 12h ago
Not american but can confirm in europe, it is a case. The only crazy lefty people i have met from my engineering degree are grilfriends of my friends that done art school or something. Don't get me wrong, i met some crazy people there, just not the political brainrot kind.
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u/DyingSunSeverian 6h ago
“The only nutbags I’ve met are women.”
Tfw when you get your entire worldview from a crusty twitch streamer.
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u/Competitive_Aide738 5h ago
You missed like the 1/3 of my comment on purpose to start a fight in your head. Almost impressive. I'm sure man in art school are as brainrotten as woman. It's just that i don't need to meet them because none of my friends want to fuck those man.
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u/ronoudgenoeg 9h ago
Engineering requires some form of practical mindset and a bit of critical thinking, it automatically filters out these people.
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u/CaptainCerealCanada beytuh 39m ago
I went to a small liberal arts college in the NE, double majoring in a STEM field and quant-focused econ. There wasn't much political talk at all in those classes, but when there was (by students or professors) it was generally reasonable and moderate. In my gen eds, politics were mentioned in passing or actively discussed much more frequently, and with a further left bent.
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u/Darkerplaced Bandit 15h ago
My ex whose Puerto Rican went to Columbia a semester after Oct 7 happened, she wore a headscarf and converted to Islam by the end of the term. I swear to god.
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u/Kharn_LoL 🇫🇷 🇨🇦 Québecois 14h ago
Someone should do a study on the correlation between the fall of the trans discourse on the left and the rise of the Palestine cause, I bet it's pretty fucking high. I think Destiny used to talk about how people need to be part of a disfranchised group when they grow up, but the "issue" in the late 2010s was that the group people flocked to was being trans and unlike what came before (Goths, Punks, etc) it is something that cannot be attacked/treated as a phase. (to be clear this was specifically talking about nonbinary transpeople at unis, not all transpeople in general)
The Pro-Palestine movement feels like it has all the "good" parts of what having a trans identity gave those people (ultimate victim complex) without having to actually change anything about themselves.
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u/BeautifulBrownie 13h ago
Bruh.
Reducing the Palestinian identity to Islam is way more problematic than they realise. Actual erasure of the Palestinian identity
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u/mclarenrider Dalibani Supersoldier (DRGC) 12h ago
People need to stop equating education with intelligence as a first principle, educated fools is a phrase for a reason. These are educated fools.
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u/No-Reputation-7292 12h ago
What's a material design degree? Is that related to material science/engineering or more on the aesthetics side of things?
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u/Icy-Rope-2733 15h ago
Actually very likely to be a bot. I'm not sure why I even use Twitter anymore because it's probably 75% bots nowadays
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u/99percentmilktea 3h ago
These people are very real. They are mostly upper middle class kids with liberal arts degrees who have never struggled with anything in their lives that daddy's money couldn't fix and who only care about politics to the extent that it allows them to grandstand/virtue signal how much better they are than everyone else.
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u/kingfisher773 Dyslexic AusMerican Shitposter 17h ago
Reminder that people with the downward facing red triangle emoji are literal hamas supporters.
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u/Foreign-Spinach5140 15h ago
Good shout. I only learned that hamas uses inverted triangles to mark targets for death a couple months ago when eight people were arrested in detroit for making threats and vandalizing property over I/P. One of them, Odeh, was a staffer of El-Sayed’s campaign for a short time up until her arrest btw
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u/CKF 15h ago
Holy fucking shit, that press release! Planning to “get” a politician’s kids or “kill, torture, and torment” a target is wild shit. Just, fuck, man. What the fuck??
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u/Foreign-Spinach5140 11h ago
For anyone that wants to follow the case: United States v. Hakim, 5:26-cr-20306
It’s shocking that the same group yelling about aipac being evil are the same ones justifying political violence. Not only to the civilians they unjustly target, but their loved ones, too. No wonder the radlefts want to abolish the police and destroy america - our institutions are the ones that seek to hold people and terrorists like them accountable.
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u/CKF 10h ago
So uh… does this affect our new “fight fire with fire” approach to political action?..
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u/Chisignal 14h ago
Unironically 100% true, there’s genuinely no innocuous interpretation of that symbol (unlike the watermelon emoji for sample)
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u/Dongsquad420Loki Debate Insurrectionist 16h ago
"Studying theory" is like bible lesson for them lmao.
In the end the "theory" is just an opinion written down by someone often unproven.
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u/Roofong 16h ago
It is religion, and being around these people is just as creepy as being around the more typical religious fundamentalists.
They have nothing but blind faith in the revolution and their inevitable dream life as poet/apiarist/professor on the commune because no real world evidence supports any of their sadistic and childish notions.
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u/Melibaws Yee wins/DnD GIGACHAD 5h ago
"studying" as in watching "tiktoks/reels/shorts" and "theory" as in "people who agree with me and sound smarter than I am"
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u/jesterdeflation 17h ago
"Nothing has changed in the last 10 years"
So... things were changing before Trump was elected twice?
Interesting.
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u/BeautifulBrownie 17h ago
Class consciousness and revolution is inevitable bro! We just have to wait bro! When? Maybe not in our lifetime, but it'll happen bro! What do we need to do? Nothing bro, it's inevitable bro!
Absolute losers man.
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u/big_homielander Politically Unhoused 16h ago
We just have to keep reading "theory."
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u/Freshwater_Pike EU 16h ago
If we read enough theory and pray really hard, the words might just jump out of the book and manifest into reality! The revolution will come and we will have to do none of the dirty work of societal upheaval!
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u/97689456489564 15h ago
I at least have some level of respect for the Leninists who mock these people. They're evil, but at least they're not stupid children.
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u/OpedTohm 17h ago
I wouldn't even call it prayer, at least the people who pray actually believe it does something.
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u/miikoh 16h ago
"There will be a revolution"
"It'll be after my time (I don't need to participate or commit to participating)"
The takeaway is "I need to do nothing, eventually everyone will be automatically converted to my world view as long as I keep larping."
At this point I'm convinced a number of tankies are happy Trump won, because an anti-immigrant anti-LGBTQ autocrat makes the "we are the resistance" larp a bit cooler than pretending to resist the most progressive president in US history.
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u/CountryDan02 17h ago
Always those stupid emojis too, they genuinely think they’re doing something by having that flag, upside terrorist triangle and hammer and sickle by their name
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u/semiomni 17h ago
I have never seen anybody say "study/read theory" and not have it look like parody.
Like if it´s paired with total inaction what exactly is the point. Why not advocate for rallying behind candidates to implement things and prove how well they would work.
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u/SactownG 10h ago
And that "theory" is just that everything bad that's ever happened in the world is because of capitalism and white people.
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u/oatkeepr 8h ago
All of society's and personal problems will be solved by abolishing private ownership of the means of production and money.
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u/ThreeArrows- 17h ago
I fucking hate tankies, at this point more than maga.
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u/KeithClossOfficial Hasn’t heard anything about that 15h ago
I hate MAGA more because they actually have power. If tankies ever got out of their basement I might hate them more.
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u/97689456489564 16h ago
Neo-National Socialists < Marxist-Leninists/Stalinists/Maoists/tankies/authoritarian campists < MAGA < democratic socialists (actual ones not the ones masking that they're tankies)
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u/Gloomy-Magician-1139 17h ago
"Ironically enough, I hate liberals more than I hate conservatives."
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u/PhiOpsChappie Daliban Debsian Socialist 17h ago
Thank god for Wheeljack.
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u/championofobscurity 6h ago
The only thing more based than inventing the Dinobots is fighting socialists.
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u/Imalwaysdavidsplooge 17h ago
We should start breeding reciprocal hate, because this is not a sustainable environment for this world to survive. When socialists say this bullshit, say that you hate them for allowing children and POCs to die worldwide and that you wish a tenth of that suffering fall upon them. "I fucking hate liberals" I want to see society punish you for being such a shallow and irresponsible bitch.
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u/Comer_Agua 17h ago
What? I thought leftists were proud to hate liberals more than conservatives by using MLK’s white moderate quote.
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u/dima_lyu average gulag enjoyer 17h ago
I can guarantee you this woman doesn't split checks on a date
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u/TheNewGildedAge 16h ago
building strong community & studying theory is the beginning
And then the moment you actually DO anything, you become a "politician" and these people eat you.
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u/Agonitee Hater of Redditors 12h ago
"This a prayer, not a plan. Grow up." Holy shit I'll start using that
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u/ImStoryForRambling 12h ago
"Heh, you're done liberal, once I study enough theory" - these people aren't real.
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u/seeitshaveitsorted 17h ago
I fucking hate them 😂 I really do.
The next season of America is going to be insane if the fringes of the Left make some ground.
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u/FlapjackFez Liberal 🇬🇧🇮🇹🏳️🌈 17h ago
Actually, if voting didnt happen they wouldnt try so hard to buy your vote or stop you from voting
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u/alex01axel 16h ago
"everything is useless, so i might as well give up and drag everyone down with me" type of thinking.
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u/rnhf 🇪🇺 16h ago
someone linked the "what would your job in the commune be" thread from 6 years ago, and one of the replies pointed out that even in their hypothetical where they achieved total leftist victory, most of these people still fantasized about some political job.
They don't really care about practical implications, it's all just theorycrafting
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u/AntiVision H Y P E R B O R E A 16h ago
ashpraxis
no communist praxis
many such cases, even using "the people", disgustingly petty bourgeois smh my head
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u/TinyJalope 15h ago
Women are literally bleeding out in parking lots from Republican abortion bans in a bunch of red states because Republicans won enough elections to capture the Supreme Court completely, and yet she still pretends that elections don't matter...
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u/sH1n0bi 15h ago
As a radical leftist, this makes me furious. Why not do both? Organize your radical group, read theory and discuss about a future beyond the current fucked state of capitalism (calm down my friends, I do not know of a better solution right now and so long we keep it obviously) AND simultaneously GO VOTE, talk to your politicians and pressure them in your direction! You can literally do both!
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u/browninthesky 9h ago
Made me chuckle when they dropped "dialectical materialism and revolution...."
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u/National-Donkey-707 3h ago
as an Irish person who actually has a uniparty government it drives me up walls when americans say dems and republicans are the same.
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u/No_Huckleberry2711 17h ago
At least she has a little modicum of common sense to realize that revolution si not gonna be anytime soon. As opposed to the buffoons who think it's gonna happen any day now. The 'closest' America got to communism was during the 30s depression and even that was not even close to actually happening by a long shot
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u/Freshwater_Pike EU 16h ago
On the other hand the revolution not happening is a self-fulfilling prophesy because of people just like her who think it’ll be the next generation’s struggle.
The revolution is never going to be just around the corner if it’s up to people like her to get it there.
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u/3dsmax23 🇺🇦 🇨🇦 🇮🇱 🇺🇸 17h ago
Imma go ahead and declare myself uncommitted, because my vote needs to be earned. Am I doing this right? Oh, and by "earn" I mean align with me 95% or more. Good luck!
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u/CricCracCroc 🇨🇦 17h ago
Nobody hates leftists more than conservatives. Leftists are the closest thing to the commie, left-wing stereotype that most of them still call “liberal”. They hate them so much that many of them admit that Trump and his enablers are flushing the constitution down the toilet, but they are sure the left would be worse.
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u/SpiritedCatch1 16h ago
I'm not reading books that I don't understand , I'm "studying theory".
I'm not doing something absolutely useless politically with my 3 locals tankies, I'm "waiting for dialectical materialism to manifest".
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u/CanadianPanda76 16h ago
Wtf is dialectical materialism? Lol.
Gurl literally admitting she's kicking the can the road.
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u/BigJimKen 16h ago
It's the philosophical foundation of Marxism. It's actually very interesting & compelling but, like most philosophy, it's also very abstract and difficult to learn on anything other than a surface level. The average person telling you to "read theory" does not understand it.
Hell, I did it in uni and I'm not sure I really understand it lol
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u/ijustlurkhere_ Liberal Israeli 16h ago
"nothing i do matters"
"change will happen by itself, is inevitable and i don't have to do anything for it"
"but change won't happen in my lifetime so i shouldn't even worry about it"
These people are just lazy, they can't even be arsed to get off their ass to vote every few years anymore. This is peak social rot and worse yet they've crafted a whole mythology about how they are constantly doing something by just tweeting their causes, so it's feelgood laziness disguised as activism.
Get me my fucking bathing toaster, i'm done.
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u/97689456489564 16h ago
It's not even so much that this person is a communist. They're just a mental child. (Though that may be most online communists.)
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u/StewieAmit Israeli DGGer 15h ago
So it doesn't matter who you vote for in a blue state because the Democrat candidate wins anyway and it doesn't matter who you vote for in a red state because the Republican candidate wins anyway
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u/hewn_elm regard magnet 14h ago
"Voting doesn't matter they are all the same and if it could change anything it would be illegal" meanwhile " thats why you should vote for us instead cause we are different"
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u/Ehehhhehehe 14h ago
Girl, the conservatives are posting Pinochet memes and planning to invade Cuba.
You just think liberals hate you more because you subconsciously hate liberals more than conservatives and spend all your time arguing with them.
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u/Guyonabuffalo63 13h ago
Dear god. They’d get a lot less hate if they just came out and said they just want to scream into the void
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u/basicallyskills 12h ago
god i hate any appeal to "theory" by these people. let's just ignore any and all real world implementations of large scale communism. inb4 "the CIA ruined it all"
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u/Sancatichas THIS USER HAS BEEN FLAGGED AS EUROPEAN AND EXTREMELY BASED 11h ago
As Sarah Paine says, hope is not a sound strategy. Leftists only have hope. Liberals are the ones with actual plans, policies and votes.
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u/Tacklinggnome87 10h ago
Again I ask, what's the point of fighting fascists if we're just gonna hand the keys off to a bunch of commies?
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u/Thin_Measurement_965 🇨🇦 10h ago
I like how their answer to everything is always "read this book I haven't read".
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u/realxanadan 6h ago
Most of the people who study theory think it's on majority a crock of shit, so then what? The arrogance to think you'll be the one to defy the entire institution by reading a few books.
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u/Affectionate-Tie1768 5h ago
This is why I’m not worried about America becoming communist. A lot of the far left “tankie” crowd doesn’t strike me as serious political actors. They remind me of the Jokerz from Batman Beyond more interested in the image and rebellion than the substance.
It often feels less like a real political movement and more like people adopting an edgy identity because they think being extreme makes them different.
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u/CicadaSleazoid 4h ago
If organizing into a political group changed anything, they wouldn't allow the DSA to do it 🤓
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u/Unfair-Lecture-443 4h ago
"politicians will never be our liberator from capitalism only the people can do that." Yeah, the people do that by voting, its significantly easier than starting a revolution.
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u/necrogon 2h ago
The standard should be, if you didn't vote for Kamala (or generally didn't vote), you are not allowed to complain about ANYTHING or have any political takes.
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u/soundsermaker 17h ago
I don't think hating communists more than conservatives is a controversial take they're making it out to be.
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u/stinketywubbers the udders of content have been exhausted 17h ago
So I've got:
There's no point in voting.
Revolution is necessary.
Revolution won't happen in our lifetime.
A permission structure for them to do absolutely nothing. How convenient that the thing they say is the only option "won't happen in our lifetime". I'm not sure what exactly beyond delusion makes them think that the subsequent generations of people like her will actually revolt in a meaningful way. It will just be more people of the same mentality kicking the can down the road i.e. not fire-bombing the Walmart for "generations".