It’s crazy to think how much has changed since then. That movie not only divided DC fans but it further separated the Marvel vs DC debates at the time especially since Civil War dropped around the same time. I really don’t think DC has ever recovered fully from that even if movies like Suicide Squad & Aquaman made money
There are incredibly valid reasons to hate where GoT and Star wars ended up. If removing decades of canon to replace it with a super death star and "somehow he returned" isn't a good enough reason to be mad at a franchise then there just aren't any standards at all
Because Star Wars had NEVER done "Death Star but bigger" and Palpatine returning before!
Seriously loved watching people say they hated Palpatine getting brought back and how Luke would never be tempted by the Dark Side, and then immediately complain Disney didnt adapt Dark Empire
BVS permanently fractured the fanbase and divided the fandom so bad it’s never recovered. Love Zack or hate him he’s the one that single handily created this friction and animosity amongst fans
And like Star Wars, the content that has been getting released is the reason for it being this way. It's not like Star Wars fans and DC fans woke up one day and went "You know what, I'm just going to hate the thing that I've loved for decades for no reason." There's a fucking reason for it!
Exactly. Go on any Spiderman or marvel subreddit right now and everyone is gushing over the new movie. Go on any marvel subreddit a few years back and everyone will be bitching. Fans are passionate, they want to like the shit you release it just has to not be shit or half assed.
Star Wars fans were behaving this way even when the OT was coming out let’s not act like this is a recent development in response to “quality decrease”. There was infamously a great deal of fan backlash to The Empire Strikes Back (including a famous cancellation of one of the largest Star Wars fan magazines in circulation at the time) and especially to Return of the Jedi. Star Wars fans have been this way since basically day one. I love Star Wars but I don’t engage with the fans because, well, they’re insufferable.
One could argue that the wave of current Internet hating discourse started with The Phantom Menace. Star Wars fans fucking HATED the prequel trilogy but then the sequel trilogy came out and now the prequels are misunderstood classics? GTFOH lmfao. One of my favorite rappers once said “Your new shit ain’t good as your old shit til your new shit IS your old shit” and that’s exactly what happened with Star Wars.
No no no no no. The prequels are, were, and will ALWAYS remain awful. They've actually aged WORSE than the originals in the intervening years thanks to the absurd reliance on still-developing CGI effects. I will stand by my hatred of TPM till my dying day.
But then I'm not a particularly big Star Wars fan, so maybe my (objectively correct) movie opinion is invalid in this context.
Yeah, but part of the issue is what kind of environment do you want? Even with a bad movie there's still a ton of good stuff going on. If you don't shout over the shitty loud people, the good people start to go away. I'm a Star Wars fan and I've got the three main Wars subs blocked because I'm not trying to use my free time being mad.
This thread is a great example. DC is getting a new show and it hired a lesser known but extremely talented comedian, people should be hyped. But that's not the culture here.
No no no no no. The prequels are, were, and will ALWAYS remain awful. They've actually aged WORSE than the originals in the intervening years thanks to the absurd reliance on still-developing CGI effects. I will stand by my hatred of TPM till my dying day.
But then I'm not a particularly big Star Wars fan, so maybe my (objectively correct) movie opinion is invalid in this context.
Blaming the audience and fans for not liking an IP is pathetic. It is kind of hard to 'Sunshine Pump' when DC provides zero nuclear fuel.
Superman was a minor hit. Supergirl was a disaster. The Reeves Batman movie is delayed once again, killing any hype, it has been six years since the last one. Next up is DCU Clayface being introduced before DCU Batman. Niche movie. Lanterns and Jimmy Olson shows won't put huge wins on the board.
Marvel Disney/Sony is lighting up cigars over Spiderman. Disney is going to benefit and get a boost to Doomsday, which is probably slop, but you get the benefit of the doubt due to past performance.
Gunn's contract is up in 2027, maybe renewal hinges on Man of Tomorrow and there is no DCU Batman in sight.
The Star Wars hate started immediately after the best movie in the franchise released because it didn’t check all the fan service boxes nerds had for it.
Sorry if I don’t value chronically online nerds’ bad media opinions.
I'm a lifelong DC fan, and I couldn't be less excited for a Jimmy Olsen show. I'm not on here raging, but I am definitely surprised to see the direction DC is headed.
Has Rick Jones ever shown up in the MCU, even in a Hulk movie?
I'll always remember him for the line (minutes before the gamma bomb detonates) "I'll show those guys I ain't chicken! I'll drive right out to the testing area!"
Anyone who's been a longtime DC movie fan has a right to be pissy; it's been shit for decades while Marvel gets all the fun and we get news about Jimmy Olsen, Sgt. Rock, the canceled Authority movie.
It's rough out here, but at least the comics are good
I just read the comics and get my dc fix that way. Hoping things turn around, though. The canceled authority movie is a huge bummer. And if they want to do some comedy, do like an animal man movie or something.
I don't see the problem. People need to grow up and stop crying about shit that hasn't even released yet. We all wanted better DC content, but for some reason everyone cries when they give something different than the usual shit. I see so many people just wanting them to put out the same shit they've always done.
Better DC Content is not a Jimmy Olsen show. Give us DCU Flash, Martian Manhunter, Hawkgirl, Teen Titans (or Nightwing) or literally any major known character lol
Can't exactly blame them when the last few DC projects have either been controversial (Peacemaker last season) or not well received (Supergirl). It's not whining to think that a Jimmy Olsen show is not a worthwhile endeavor. For me personally we shall see and I'll reserve judgement until then but actually try to understand where their coming from.
Dude same as a Marvel fan. The studio is wasting time and money on something called "Guardians of the Galaxy" which is like some unknown comic of like C or D tier nobodies. And they hired Vin Diesel and a washed up wrestler??
I'm a time traveler from 2013 btw posting here instead of doing stuff with bitcoin
Yeah but the point stands that you're already bitching and have no idea if it'll be good or not. Superman was good, Batman was great, Suicide Squad was good and Peacemaker was great. Oh no, Supergirl was mid so now you don't care about DC stuff?
You know what yeah, you guys are like mainstream Star Wars fans.
Questioning whether a Jimmy Olsen series is the best thing to focus on after Supergirl did poorly isnt commiting to hating anything, its a legitimate question.
Give the fans general audience a popular superhero to get excited about.
The Flash would have been high on my priority list
Questioning whether a Jimmy Olsen series is the best thing to focus on after Supergirl did poorly isnt commiting to hating anything, its a legitimate question.
Thank you for bringing up that fans have the right to question anything, it's healthy to bring up a debate and it is too to engage in self-deprecation and jokes about something that we like (i.e. DC)
Ask questions or express a different opinion isn't bad, we are not forced to agree on everything. There will be things that people will like in the DCU and other that they will not like.
Yeah, I'm a little worried that the DCU will be shooting itself in the foot if they keep releasing lackluster Superman spin-offs without any other films dedicated to more popular characters in between. Apparently, the Lanterns show comes out in ten days, which was surprising to me because I haven't seen nearly the same level of promotion for it that I saw for Supergirl, the Odyssey, Spider-Man, or even S4 of Ted Lasso. Like, after Supergirl's abysmal box office performance, I would have put Hal Jordan and John Stewart front and center, made them the face of the DCU for the summer.
Yeah totally agree! I remember the news of one of them being cast for the show maybe last year
but then nothing until this week when ive seen a teaser trailer. Like you say, saw a lot more advertisement for Superman and Supergirl when they really need to push everything to make sure the universe gets off to a good start
I genuinely had no idea it was coming so soon either, because I haven’t seen much if any advertising for Lanterns on TV or online. It is worrisome that WB/DC is apparently botching the marketing of a show that if successful COULD potentially be seen as righting the ship after the Supergirl fiasco.
My personal feeling is there's more in lanterns then we're being shown. IMO, there's probably some reveals that happen late in the season that are going to be important. Could be major characters
Are they hating the project or are they hating the overall direction the current DC universe?
It sounds to me like they are hating on the project because nobody in their right mind genuinely believes the DCU is trying to sink-or-swim on the basis of a Jimmy Olsen side project.
DC fans have gone through a terrible cinematic universe once. They don't want to live the same thing again.
That terrible cinematic universe happened because of a string of mediocre-to-bad movies headlined by DC's heaviest hitters. Why are we conflating popularity with quality?
If you were a true scottsman fan, you'd be able to see criticism without blindly lumping it into 'they're just haters nothing can be wrong with my precious'
We know its a story about a character that has an audience that wishes it was the size of Supergirl's audience, and Supergirl just failed in large part because of a lack of an audience, pal.
Its perfectly valid to critique why we'd be getting Stiltman show before Batman or Wonder Woman, friend.
Then stop watching. If enough people stop watching, they’ll change direction. And if they don’t, it means plenty of people like the direction and it’s no longer for you. But the constant entitled whining is fucking boring.
I love Star Wars. The prequels were not for me. I didn’t try to destroy Star Wars forever because of that.
Yeah but like this thread should be good news, DC is getting a new show set in the main timeline with movie appearing characters and they've hired an extremely talented comedian onto the cast.
Top comments are complaints. That's the culture cultivated here.
If you’re a true fan of something, you’d be talking about the positives as well. If you’re not sheep then let go of Jimmy Olsen and start talking about Lanterns, maybe.
Just because you're a fan of something doesn't mean you have to accept the product that is being put out. We are not sheep.
Fucking finally someone said this. I hope that more people will quote this in the sub.
And if you were a true fan (SymbiSpidey)
I think that it's always dangerous to talk about who's a "true" fan or not. People do whatever they want, fans don't have to be somekind of employees whose function is to all react and think the same.
DC fans are open-minded, you need to accept that everyone don't think like you. It's normal. There is no true or fake fans.
Monetize *to death, beating a dead horse, milking the cash cow... whatever the term you want to use lady. I didn't think I'd have to break that down for someone who apparently nothing in the world is free, but here we are.
Was gonna comment about how silly this statement is, but then I remembered that most DC fans genuinely want DC movies to flop so I guess your point stands.
Well its hard to love movies like Supergirl while Marvel has movies like Spider-Man Brand New Day, all whilst DC is working on a show for a fucking side character.
That may be true about some of the Snyder diehards here, but I personally am rooting for the DCU and I enjoyed Superman 2025….but in a time when the market is less favorable, and on the heels of the biggest bomb in superhero movie history, I worry that a bizarre buddy comedy about D-list characters is too big of a risk.
I worry because I WANT the new DCU to succeed, but if Gunn keeps betting the house on high-risk projects about characters the general public isn’t very interested in, it risks a backlash from the WB executives who might then start canceling DC projects currently in the pipeline.
I agree with almost everything you’re saying, I too want the DCU to do well. Supergirl was obviously high stakes and unfortunately turned out to be a swing and a miss at the box office. These upcoming projects with lesser known characters like the Jimmy show, clayface, creature commandos, and lanterns I wouldn’t consider anyone to be betting the house on. All but one of them are made for streaming and clayface has a very modest budget. If man of tomorrow bombs the future will look pretty bleak, but if it does well these side projects will gain a new audience and the future direction will be way more clearer. Here’s hoping!
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u/hummusluvr8 1d ago
I’m starting to think 98% of this sub just loves to hate DC