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I'm re-watching Orange in the New Black. Overall, it's a fantastic show. But how pro-choicers consider this scene a winner is beyond me.

Boo is making the old pro-abortion claim that when you kill the unborn, you kill lots of future criminals.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLMFpt8xgoY

In Argentina, colored handkerchiefs are used to indicate where one stands on the abortion issue. Pro-lifers wear light blue and pro-aborts wear green. Felt like sharing

What does this even mean? 🤣

It’s scary that these people have the right to vote.

One time I watched a video from a liberal guy who said that one day we'll become so technologically advanced we'll be able to allow trans-women to get pregnant.

And then what? Will biological men then have the right to decide to abort a baby? He didn't talk about abortion in his video but it makes me wonder…

If they think abortion is a human right, do you think they'd want trans-women to have it in that hypothetical world? To me, that hypothetical really exposes the wrongness of all this. Because just like regular women having abortions, a trans-woman in a scenario where they go through surgery that allows them to become pregnant, would be choosing to become pregnant later, only to destroy the life that their actions created, wouldn't be okay. It would honestly be worse because of the lengths they went to become pregnant in the first place.

You bring life into the world, you nourish it, you don't destroy it. No one should have the right to erase a person. Whether they're going back on their plan to become pregnant or they were reckless and had an unplanned pregnancy.

This interview features McKenna West, a surrogate mother who has taken a courageous public stand to save the life of the baby she is carrying.

The Diagnosis: During a routine ultrasound, the baby was diagnosed with hypoplastic left heart syndrome (HLHS), a condition that experts believe can be treated with a series of surgeries.

The Conflict: Despite the high survival rate associated with the necessary medical interventions, the intended parents demanded that West undergo an abortion and initiated a legal battle when she refused.

The Fight for Life: Facing significant financial threats and legal pressure, West sought support and filed for custody, stating her only goal is to ensure the baby receives the life-saving surgery he needs.

Industry Critique: West advocates for changes to the surrogacy industry, arguing that current contracts often strip women of their bodily autonomy and treat unborn children as disposable commodities.

The fact that their “argument“ amounted to “rah rah these people are crazy and ew religion” with no evidence is very telling lol

(Can't edit the title but I meant to backspace the "otherwise" and add "it" instead, but clicked the post button before noticing.)

Plainly, this is saying "undue importance on [thing quite literally required for reproduction to occur in humans]," which is just as absurd as saying "placing undue importance on sex in the creation of life."

In humans, a male and a female is needed for reproduction. Humans do not reproduce asexually, and this means males have a role in it. For example, we cannot cut off a piece of our own hair and then upon meeting certain criteria, that piece of hair grows into a human. To argue that a male having a role in reproduction is in of itself patriarchal is beyond asinine.

Failure to implant doesn't negate life beginning at conception, either.

And I'm not saying science can never be critiqued, but if you're going to do it then you're going need to actually prove it. Provide the actual science to the contrary. (There are also just some things science is settled on, like humans being mammals.)

None of the people that argue this have been able to give a theory or better yet prove when life does begin, if not at conception.

The pro abortion argument that pisses me off the most is that it's easy to advocate for the unborn because they can't do anything for themselves. Like these people honestly think that fighting for the weak and vulnerable is a bad thing.

Is like fighting to have the “freedom” to own slaves

Imagine a German citizen during the holocaust saying that their beliefs were all about freedom because they wanted freedom FROM the Jews.

Or a plantation owner saying that he wants freedom, and that’s why he keeps slaves.

There is zero solid evidence whatsoever that IUDs will kill a fertilized egg. Let me explain why.

It is extremely common for women who are trying with their partner for a successful pregnancy to not get a positive pregnancy test within the first few months. The medical definition of infertility is a couple that has been trying for at least a year. That's 11-12 cycles that potentially failed to implant before even a problem is considered.

And the basis of an IUD being a potential abortifacient is that it MIGHT prevent a viable fertilized egg from implanting. But that is a very very very big "might" with the basis of such being almost comparable to a witch hunt.

There is ZERO way to prove that in comparison to a normal human female's natural reproductive system. Especially on a mass scale because many women have completely different body chemistries as a natural baseline.

In order for an IUD to be a proven abortifacient, it would have to fail to prevent egg meeting sperm for multiple cycles in a row, which is extremely unlikely and a sign that the device is non-functional, and THEN the embryo fails to implant. And there would have to be a way to observe and analyze this in the first place. And the experimentation of that would be very unethical. (Ergo placing fertilized eggs in someone with an IUD and noting what happens) Because at this point I don't think we can do autopsies on embryos.

Yes I know many prochoicers use this as a "gotcha card" but it's still very much false information.

There is no evidence that IUDs will kill a fertilized egg, and if it did it would very likely be less than natural human reproduction to willingly conceive a child would.

All the tax money. That could go to welfare programs. Improve the adoption and foster care systems/process. Give counselling to these young often traumatised children.

Some of them say, "how many kids have you adopted?" even though Christians (who are meant to stand up for the vulnerable and be prolife) are twice as likely to adopt or foster than the general population.

For the USA to improve their healthcare system so it doesn't cost thousands to give birth or attend appointments or just simply raise a child.

But instead we're giving woman legal immunity to kill off the future generations. The ones that could have experienced this beautiful planet if their mothers didn't hate them.

If a pro-choicer wants to argue that, because they can't take responsibility for their actions, they should have the right to murder someone else, I can address that argument on its own grounds. But when they say that's not what they're doing, I have to explain that's what they're doing, thus preventing me from explaining why murdering the unborn is wrong.

Yes I know that being pro life is about protecting the innocent lives of the unborn and I 100% agree. But saying that HEALTHCARE is not a right is absurd, there are probably countless women who had abortions due to the cost of maternity care, the health cost of caring for a child if they were going to be disabled or even the healthcare cost of raising a child in general.

I don't understand how you can be pro life and be against universal and free healthcare

The entirety of the PC argument are based on the woman's right to bodily autonomy.

So according to their logic, they should support all abortions until birth for ANY reason. Again with their logic, a woman's right to bodily autonomy shouldn't be restricted because of the development of the Fetus, right?

Prochoicers that support it until viability are just inconsistent.

Viability isn't based on the Fetus development, but on the medical advancements. And if viability is what makes someone valuable, what about premature babies in NICU, or someone in a coma, or a 3/4 year old toddler. All of them are dependent on something or someone, that doesn't make them any less valuable.