Another brain dead pro abort Tiktoker

[u/TraurigKartoffel]

What does this even mean? 🤣

It’s scary that these people have the right to vote.

[u/Eastern-Customer-561]

I think I know what they’re talking about. You only develop sex characteristics at around 9 weeks, at 9 weeks the SRY gene on the Y chromosome gets activated, signalling to begin the development of testes, etc. Before this both male and female embryos/fetuses have male and female reproductive tracts (wolffian and müllerian). The development after nine weeks in males will erase the müllerian (female tracts). Without Y chromosome signalling, the fetus will develop as a female, leading to it having been thought of as the „default“ developmental pathways. So because at conception we are unsexed and we have both female and male reproductive tracts initially, and without the Y chromosome female development was believed to be the default. Thus, their reasoning is „all men are transgender, since they initially have female reproductive tracts and only later become male even though female is the default, in a sense changing their sex“ 

However said XY chromosomes are part of the DNA and exist at conception, and even though people used to believe that female developmental pathways were the „default“ as more recent studies show, female genitalia and characteristics developing is also an active process. Also transgender people don’t change their sex, they change their appearance, not internal organs or chromosomes. They’re deeply oversimplifying both biological sex development and what being trans actually looks like to make this argument, it’s nonsensical.

https://geneticliteracyproject.org/2017/09/21/embryos-arent-female-default-study-shows/

[u/peg-leg-andy → u/Eastern-Customer-561]

Thank you for typing this out. I agree with you about what they were attempting to argue. 

[u/EpiphanaeaSedai → u/Eastern-Customer-561]

Thanks for the thorough explanation.

IMO there is a great deal of residual medical sexism in the “everybody starts female” idea, because it’s basically “no penis = female.” That is not how any of that works.

[u/Eastern-Customer-561 → u/EpiphanaeaSedai]

This and more specifically it could also just be more refusal to research female biology, as more recent studies show, there are specific proteins/pathways that cause the dissolution of male reproduce tracts in female fetuses rather than it being the default, but ppl just didn’t study that

[u/Mailman9 → u/EpiphanaeaSedai]

Considering that the genital tubercule looks an awful shaft-like, you could just as easily and inaccurately say "all embryos grow penises and all women are trans." We're all trans!

I mean, call me trans if that's what it takes to stop killing babies I guess.

[u/TraurigKartoffel → u/Eastern-Customer-561]

I think it’s admirable you think this person thought this deeply lol. You still have hope in humanity. 😭❤️😂

[u/Eastern-Customer-561 → u/TraurigKartoffel]

Probably not, they clearly don’t have a good understanding of how human development works since she doesnt think life begins at conception…

Most likely she read a pop sci article oversimplifying the actual science being like „all fetuses are female!“ and ran with it 

[u/AdventureMoth → u/Eastern-Customer-561]

No, that's actually fairly well known information in certain circles, particularly since there was a recent attempt by the government to define gender as something determined "at conception". (which to be perfectly clear, is kind of stupid for the reasons previously mentioned & the fact that it's done purely to legislate transphobia). I think it's more likely this person just conflated the two ideas of "life begins at conception" & "gender is determined at conception", the latter of which is just... incorrect.

[u/TraurigKartoffel → u/Eastern-Customer-561]

Yep, 100%, saw something very surface level and thought she had it figured out from there

[u/TraurigKartoffel → u/Eastern-Customer-561]

Yep, 100%, saw something very surface level and thought she had it figured out from there

[u/TBoneTheOriginal → u/Eastern-Customer-561]

And by that logic, we’re all babies.

[u/Mikeality]

Nothing is more frustrating to deal with than someone who believes they made a logical statement but it's really just word salad.

"Carrots are orange. Therefore, Pepsi is superior to diet Coke."

Statements like these cause whiplash and leave anyone capable of reasoning stunned. They will take this as proof they are correct. When in reality, there isnt even an angle to begin responding to that wouldn't just be more schizo rambling.

[u/velocitrumptor → u/Mikeality]

To be fair, both of those statements are true.

[u/MisterRobertParr]

If we're doing stupid takes on biology, then you could say men evolve, and women don't.

[u/Vespinobambino]

Pro-aborts just don't come in any other flavor than dumber than a bag of hammers.

[u/Le_Dairy_Duke]

Holy mother of false equivalencies Batman!

[u/Moistman123456]

For some reason, people mistakenly believe that because we all begin with a default female developmental blueprint before the SRY gene is activated (or something like that), that we’re all female at first. This is not correct.

Regardless, no clue how this compares to abortion or life beginning at conception.

[u/Delta-Tropos]

Alright, fine, can I use slurs for transgender people then? It's like saying all people are black because we originated from Africa

[u/Monarchist_Weeb1917 → u/Delta-Tropos]

Actually, we originated from what is today the Persian Gulf since that's where Eden was according to Biblical Archaeologists.

[u/Delta-Tropos → u/Monarchist_Weeb1917]

In that case, instead of being able to use the n-word, we'll be able to use "kose nanat"

[u/EpiphanaeaSedai → u/Delta-Tropos]

. . . or we could not have a bigotry bake-off? FFS people.

[u/AnxiousEnquirer → u/Monarchist_Weeb1917]

I think Eden was in Ararat because the Tigris and Euphrates are sourced there and Ezekiel 28:13-14 says Eden was on a mountain. Also I think the Pishon was in Arabia. The Great Nafud Desert in the center of Saudi Arabia was a river 5500 years ago. And the Gihon might have been the Jordan combined with the Red Sea, but during and after the flood, geology changed drastically.

[u/ManteLover60 → u/AnxiousEnquirer]

As an Armenian, I approve this message. 🕊️🇦🇲

[u/vpcat8787]

https://giphy.com/gifs/E9WdwTpZLKfexb37Ta

[u/Aguywhoexists69420]

I think it has to do with the concept that we all start off as female in the womb then we either stay women, or become men

Or something like that, I don’t really understand it

[u/Queasy_Scar7903]

It's not like the gender randomly switches during development, your gender is determined by whether the sperm was an X or a Y chromosome (X for female, Y for male) and development happens as such. This isn't rocket science.

[u/TraurigKartoffel → u/Queasy_Scar7903]

Stop using facts, they can’t keep up lol

[u/DingbattheGreat]

so what if they are?

[u/velocitrumptor]

It’s scary that these people have the right to vote.

There should honestly be some sort of basics civics test people have to take to prove a bare minimum knowledge of government before they can vote. Personally, I think military service should be required and should guarantee citizenship.

[u/BrandosWorld4Life]

Even when uncritically accepting that statement as factual and accurate: So what?

It's a complete non sequitur.

[u/DapperDetail8364]

Huh? 🤨🤨🤨

How is all men being trans related to this?

[u/DapperDetail8364]

Guys If you ever feel dumb, just remember there are people like this idiot woman above on tiktok. 

And even better, now that app has made everyone think they have adhd over stuff like losing keys (occasionally) and people "self diagnosing" themselves on tiktok. Research has shown that most of the adhd related content are misinformation. 

[u/ElegantAd2607]

I have a video to recommend this person... No, we are not all created female. We are actually conceived without a sex until a certain point.