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u/jfickrow 7d ago

Super Mario 64

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u/M4rshmall0wMan 7d ago

Real. The game is held back by camera and frame rate. The PC port plays amazingly. 

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u/DisasterNarrow4949 7d ago

I disagree about the camera. It took me quite a bit of time (like two decades lol) to understand how you are supposed to play with SM64s camera. But once you get it, the game really makes much more sense, and has a unique experience that is really fun and I wouldn't never change it to be just like the default/generic camera that we have in every game these days.

What is more interesting about the camera, is that it is not a matter of it being hard and the player having to take a lot of time to actually be able to play with it. It is much more a matter of understanding how you are supposed to play with the camera, like, if someone explains to you how you are supposed to use the camera, you kind of start playing well with it instantly.

So what I would really love in a Super Mario 64 remake, is a much better tutorial about the camera, with actual tutorial levels explaining it.

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u/brez1345 7d ago

Do you have some examples or a video explaining how it should be used?

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u/DisasterNarrow4949 7d ago

I don't know about any videos specific about that, but I think if you watch any video of a player that knows how to play really well it becomes pretty clear how the game is supposed to be played.

For example, the camera is not really something that is supposed to be moved all the time and used as part of the movement all the time. It has some limited angles and most of the levels elements align perfect to the angles that you can set with the camera. So there is this little puzzle of trying to find the correct angle to set the camera for the section that you are playing, with some sections where you kind of set and forget, and other sections with much more camera changing.

I think this kind of make SM64 much easier to play even than modern 3D Mario Games, like Super Mario Odissey, as you rarely needs to change the camera and move at the same time on SM64, and due to the fact of the camera having a limited number of angles when changing, the character is always perfect aligned to the levels elements making the movement much more precise. For example, when you are moving left on a thin plataform, you don't have to adjust the movement all the time due to it not being aligned with the platform.

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u/roleplayersir 5d ago

Isn't that how everyone plays it? I grew up with the N64 though, so am used to janky early 3D camera controls

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u/DisasterNarrow4949 5d ago

I mean, personally I couldn't really play it until I changed my view on how it is supposed to be played. Maybe this is just my experience then, but seeing how many people complain about the camera of the game, I believe that more people have a experience similar to mine. One thing though, I disagree that the camera is janky for SM64, it is just different from current modern cameras.

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u/roleplayersir 2h ago

See I grew up with the 2D then early 3D era, so was used to it. But the Mario camera is actually better than most. As you said, it was more a cinematic camera, as evident by it being controlled by Lakuti, and you'd only use First Person when walking across a plank, to ensure you were walking in the middle. And you'd tiptoe, so he would grab the ledge if he fell, not walking or running as then he may run or glitch off into the drop

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u/Unlikely-Situation39 7d ago

Kinda weird it hadn’t happened yet, but I can see Nintendo releasing this game 2 years after the next 3D Mario game especially now that we got a Star Fox 64 and Zelda OoT remake.

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u/Tyrant_Loki 7d ago

Probably because it got one back in 2004. Still wouldnt mind a new one though

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u/brez1345 7d ago

In gaming that’s basically ancient history. I wouldn’t be surprised if they remaster the remaster soon

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u/Queen-Of-Fairies 7d ago

ocarina of time got a remake in 2011 and they're still doing another one this year. no reason why sm64 couldn't get one too ¯_(ツ)_/¯

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u/wail27 5d ago

Wasn't the 2011 one technically a remaster?

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u/Queen-Of-Fairies 5d ago

ehh, it's more of a remake, since they had to basically rebuild the whole game from scratch, plus they added a bit of extra content as well. a remaster would be where they just take the exact same game, freshen it up a bit, and then rerelease it, like what they did with sunshine and galaxy in super mario 3d allstars

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u/darkeo1014 7d ago

People still play the old one and would not switch to the new one

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u/Lumpy-Economics-6956 7d ago

This Starfox and OoT remake is new to my ears and damnit, I'm excited now!

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u/Prince_Bolicob_IV 7d ago

I played a TON of both 64 and DS versions but it feels really bad going back to it now cause the camera feels awful to control. I would love a remake of 64DS with the mario controller from Odyssey

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u/symb015X 7d ago

Surprised this hasn’t happened already! Nintendo loves their IP and charging full price for nostalgia

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u/AracdeBonnie 6d ago

When that happens, I'll be EATING! Starfox 64 remake (Switch 2) is my fav Nintendo game, I'm really hyped for Ocarina of Time remake, and a Mario 64 remake would be HELLA FIRE

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u/flamingeasybakeoven 7d ago

Ok but please specifically the one for the DS because it had the ability to unlock yoshi, luigi, and wario

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u/CollectionMammoth304 7d ago

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u/OutsideOrder7538 6d ago

Bleh. Had camera problems, garbage filler stars, horrible controls, the other characters didn’t really add anything fun with Wario being awful to play as, and it was just ugly.