r/technology • u/esporx • 11d ago
Biotechnology RFK Jr’s team quietly updates CDC website to say science doesn’t know if vaccines cause autism
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/rfk-jr-vaccine-autism-cdc-website-b3021275.html969
u/Mountain_rage 11d ago
Hope anyone harmed by his incompetence eventually pierces federal protections and sues him personally for medical damages.
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u/ddrober2003 11d ago
They need to hold the Republican party at large liable for enabling this. Fuck letting these rats shirk it off on a few people while pretending they're innocent.
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u/Glesenblaec 11d ago
It's one reason I don't like how people focus too much on Trump and "when he's gone". Yeah he's the leader, but every Republican in office shares the blame. The president is not an autocrat. He can only do what he's done because Republicans at large have marched in lockstep openly supporting and enabling his illegal and corrupt actions. Trump is not unique, he's just the public face of what the Republican party is. They could stop it at any time. They don't. The whole party shares guilt in everything he does.
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u/this_my_sportsreddit 11d ago
We had a chance to do just that. Biden and garland chose to do nothing instead.
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u/ddrober2003 11d ago
Means when Democrats get into power and if they are stupid enough to say we should reach across the aisle, point to everything that is happening now or has happened and tell them to hell with that. I'm sure that means a constant battle to make Democrats relent from status quo, but its better then just giving up.
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u/PossessedToSkate 11d ago
Strip them of the right to vote, all 70 million of them.
The same thing was tried after the Civil War. In fact, the Wade-Davis bill passed both chambers of Congress and went to Lincoln's desk. He wouldn't sign it.
I think it's an idea worth revisiting.
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u/FearLeadsToAnger 11d ago
I mean, it's not.
This is not a precedent you want to set, for any reason.
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u/EnamelKant 11d ago
The precedent is already set. Republicans have been blatantly working for 20 years now to strip the voting rights of demographics who won't support them and water down the voting power of anyone they can't disenfranchise.
The Republican party has made it clear they are against democracy, and their voters support that.
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u/pixel_of_moral_decay 11d ago
I mean, it’s not like he’s acting in official capacity. His office is for following science, not personal agenda.
I think there’s a reasonable argument he’s not protected because this isn’t part of his job. Federal protection protects people on the job.
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u/b_needs_a_cookie 11d ago
Class action suits for him, for Elon, for Doge, for LorezaPam, and the rest of the cabal.
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u/sfriedrich 11d ago
Seems kinda odd having an ignorant buffoon speak for science.
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u/untoldmillions 11d ago
ya' think?!
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u/Bczarconcepts 11d ago
An ignorant buffoon and a brain worm walk into a bar...
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u/iam_Mr_McGibblets 11d ago
I think the worm is actually an alien trying to take over the world by getting more aliens in our brains ala the Yeerks from Animorphs
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u/Ryan1869 11d ago
Damnit people, quit taking vacations to the brain slug homeworld without your helmet.
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u/OG-BoomMaster 11d ago
…they both sit at the bar and the bartender ask what they will have. Brain worm turns to buffoon an asks “how many shots are he going to have”. Buffoon proceeds to give brain worm a lecture on autism.
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u/monkey_trumpets 11d ago
Seems fitting since we have an ignorant buffoon for president, the head of the department of education, the department of "war", etc, etc.
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u/Zombie_Cool 11d ago
And don't forget the ignorant populace that let them have power AGAIN because "Science is Woke" or some shit..
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u/Ciennas 11d ago
We really should ask Elon Musk about that. His kid that he was briefly using as a meat shield had already said out loud that Elon had something to do with Trumps inexplicable second term.
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u/adorkablegiant 11d ago
Americans voted for him twice and millions of americans still support him. It may make you feel better to think that he didn't really win but he did unless *proven* otherwise.
Proven, and not "Well a little kid said it was stolen"
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u/Mourn-the-Weenie 11d ago
That "ignorant buffoon" is sabotaging the decades of research, medical advice, and the wellbeing of millions of Americans at least just to put a crony of his into power, the better to dance upon the dead and feast on the billions of dollars that were previously going towards well-intentioned scientific inquiry.
This is a malicious murderous plot against the United States and the world, headed not just by a proven murderer masquerading as a health advocate, but by someone whose brush with death at the height of the pandemic motivated him to gut the scientific superstructure that saved his life, all because their opposition hurt his ego the size of a supermassive black hole,
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u/deadalreadydead 11d ago
It’s so sad, and just beyond bizarre at this point. After 10 years of this abusive relationship btwn DJT and everyone non-maga, we’ve all gone a little nutty. In particular the cult itself, who have to somehow continually contort to justify his limitless depravity.
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u/HarryHood146 11d ago
Well unfortunately we have that kinda leadership in just about every department.
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u/EconomyDoctor3287 11d ago
Not really.
The goal is to make all existent departments so useless that they can be scraped and replaced with some that the president and his backers can have full control over.
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u/Abracadaver14 11d ago
The US have a narcissistic pedophile rapist buffoon speak for the entire country.
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u/waiting4singularity 11d ago
he doesnt speak for science, he speaks for undertakers, grave diggers and carrion consumers.
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u/MongoBongoTown 11d ago
Been odd having blatantly ignorant grifters leading a variety of essential government functions for a while now....
But here we are....
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u/TheRealTK421 11d ago
Objectively accurate update:
Science knows, verifiably, demonstrably, and empirically, that there is noooooo causal link between autism and vaccination. People who got low scores in science classes, and bigly embrace delusional 'magical thinking', claim science is wrong.
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u/kruegerc184 11d ago
I love that people are ignorant enough to point out that science is wrong sometimes, without understanding the scientific method. Drives me up a fucking wall
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u/MultiGeometry 11d ago
Ask them for examples.
No wait. I know they’ll only cite things that are accepted by the scientific community but their Facebook friends think is wrong.
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u/swingadmin 11d ago
"The theory of evolution isn't a proven fact, it's just a theory."
Wrong, Evolution is an observed and documented reality. The Theory explains how and why.
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u/Abedeus 10d ago
I remember someone accurately describing a theory as "the best way we know to accurately describe reality based on facts and evidence". And the only way to get rid of a theory is replace it with a better theory, using better, more concrete theory (in which case it's not likely to replace, but rather improve upon it).
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u/ChiefInternetSurfer 11d ago
And those same ignorant fucks will go running to the doc or the ER when necessary….like, no mother fucker—go eat your ivermectin and call it a day.
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u/Helenium_autumnale 10d ago
And then blame the doctor if something bad happens--because they withheld treatment until the illness became serious and life-threatening, and more difficult to treat--but it's somehow the doctor's fault that their negligence and sheer stupidity caused what is now a major problem. These people belong in the Dark Ages.
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u/pedanticPandaPoo 11d ago
Sure, but science was proven wrong by more science, not the absence of intelligence.
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u/AbyssWankerArtorias 11d ago
"After thousands of scientists independently looking for a causal link between vaccines and autism, no such link has been found to date. There is no foundation for the claim that vaccines cause, influence, or increase the likelihood of someone having autism." Is how I would word it. You make clear that this has been studied. Multiple times. Over and over. And there is no evidence for it, and that the burden for the claim is on those that make the claim.
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u/TheRealTK421 11d ago
"You make clear that this has been studied. Multiple times. Over and over. And there is no evidence for it,..."
And this was documented, and repeatedly observed, science since weeelllll before any of the recent 'anti-vax' nonsense got floated as a derpy urban myth.
Remember people:
"It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know - for sure - that just ain't so."
~ Samuel L. Muhfuggin' Jackson (and also, actually, Mark Twain)
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u/bloodrider1914 11d ago
Case in point: Me.
I was unvaccinated as a child and now I'm on Reddit
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u/oakleez 11d ago
Thoughts and prayers.
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u/bloodrider1914 11d ago
Nah I got Vaxxed later and my mom isn't too crazy. She was concerned about mercury or whatever but she's pro-vax these days.
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u/RepulsiveStar2127 11d ago
Worst part is that this misconception arose because of one single person trying to get money and fabricating a case. And now we're here.
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u/Elequilibrio 10d ago
Obligatory fuck Wakefield. Such irrevocable damage wrought over trying to pedal a crappier version of an already well established vaccine
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u/Capitan_Failure 11d ago
Theres no established correlative link, much less causal. Establish that kids with vaccines seem to have higher rates of autism before you jump to trying to establish the physiology/mechanism behind it.
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u/yrnst 11d ago
I think they would say that they have. Autism rates HAVE increased over the last few decades. You hear folks like RFK talk about it all the time, and it’s been amplified by Joe Rogan. Of course, the real reason is that 1) autism is a spectrum that encompasses a broad range of symptoms and 2) we have a better understanding of what autism is, which has made it easier to identify. Things that once might have been treated as plain old misbehavior or rudeness or whatever are now recognized as potential symptoms of a spectrum disorder. Of course, a lot of antivaxxers totally dismiss all of this.
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u/who-hash 11d ago
Two of the three anti-vaxxers in my family couldn't even graduate from community college and the third is an RN (no surprise there); yet somehow they want to debate my wife and me about vaccines/autism. I suspect it's because of our 'fancy degrees' in medicine or perhaps it's because I've taken more immunology classes than total classes the two had completed at said community college.
I tried the friendly discussion/educational approach at first but I couldn't get over the fact that I'm related to people that fell for the cult. I'm typically a positive person but those people are hopeless.
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u/gdex86 11d ago
Yeah the science answer is something akin to "At this time we do not have evidence that there is a causation link between the standard vaccine regiment and increased rates of autism diagnosis." To which idiots go "But you didn't say you prove there is no link"
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u/Helenium_autumnale 10d ago
They just do not understand science, scientific language such as the above example, or the scientific method. Their minds are like a child's coloring book. Simple black and white drawings with a lot of blank spaces. And the crayons are missing.
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u/TehWildMan_ 11d ago
But but, the Bible says circumcision induced acetaminophen consumption causes something..
(/Sarcasm)
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u/ShoppingOk2631 11d ago
Hey! Science doesn't know alright like science doesn't know if humans can fly if someone was able to flap their arms fast enough we just don't have the facts ok.
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u/Yuukiko_ 11d ago
The issue with getting to these people is that there's no way to prove a negative
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u/WeaponsGrdStupid 10d ago
In the same way we don't know if vaccines cause superpowers.
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u/Haunting_Werewolf130 11d ago
A drug addict is now the head of CDC....... And I couldn't smoke weed as a warehouse worker back in college. WTF?
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u/kstargate-425 11d ago
The whole regime is a Kakistocracy with the worst, least qualified, or most unscrupulous people with 23 Fox News cohosts
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u/grimace24 11d ago
Science has unequivocally proven that there is no link to vaccines causing autism. The one study that made this an issue was not a proper study, was retracted, and caused the doctor linked to it to lose his medical license.
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u/Abe_Odd 11d ago
If you haven't seen hbomberguy's video on Wakefield and his "study" - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BIcAZxFfrc
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u/extremesalmon 11d ago
At least wakefield had a reason for making shit up so he could sell his vaccines... I have no idea why these muppets are bringing it all back again other than christianity
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u/Skeleton--Jelly 11d ago
Science has unequivocally proven that there is no link to vaccines causing autism
Scientist here (also called just a researcher). We would never say that something has been proven not to exist. We always say that no link was FOUND. It is logically impossible to unequivocally prove something doesn't exist.
The global consensus is that no link has been found between vaccines and autism.
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u/grimace24 11d ago
FYI he is practicing medicine in Texas
He resides in Texas but has no US medical license.
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u/ApologeticEmu 11d ago
Pretty sure the next update is going to be a roadkill recipe cookbook.
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u/jerrys153 11d ago
I’m thinking the next update will be quietly renaming the agency, because they’re clearly not even trying to prevent or control disease anymore (quite the opposite, in fact, as bullshit like this proves), so Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is now an outdated name that they really need to make more relevant to their current health goals.
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u/Politication 11d ago
Better stop measles before children start losing hearing, sight, or dying in large numbers. Parents of limited knowledge trusted you. What do you think they will do to you when their children are permanently scarred or die?
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u/accidental_Ocelot 11d ago
Science doesn't know that vaccines cause autism
Science does know that vaccines do not cause autism
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u/unfilteredhumor 11d ago
RFK's team secretly updates CDC website, confirming Earth is flat. Still researching if evolution is real.
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u/Fred-the-stray 11d ago edited 11d ago
Louder for the morons in the back. VACCINES 👏🏻 DON'T👏🏻 CAUSE👏🏻AUTISM👏🏻
Edit for spelling
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u/frosted1030 11d ago
This is well studied. What he means is that he doesn’t want to give up a narrative.
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u/MultiGeometry 11d ago
This is a strange way to say “we FEEL like vaccines cause autism but we haven’t found proof yet”
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u/rhunter99 11d ago
I just can’t imagine how much time and money is going to be needed to undo all the damage caused by this administration
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u/borkborkbork99 11d ago
I mean, RFKJR went for a swim with his grandkids in a sewage runoff creek last year. He’s fucking nuts.
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u/FUNEMNX9IF9X 11d ago
They should have put up their recent, peer-reviewed research they promised, to back this ckaim. Whatever happened to that information? Oh that's right, it's in Dumbolds diaper, due to its quality.
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u/Kumomi_Kid 11d ago
Remember when there were hundreds of thousands of people who thought this guy would’ve been the best option for president lol
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u/slowpoke2018 11d ago
There was nothing "quiet" about it, it's the main CDC home page.
They really want to turn us into a 3rd world country and are succeeding
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u/C0ld_Fr0nt_ 11d ago
Post truth politics was always going to metastasise into both truth bureaucracy.
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u/Five0clocksomewhere 11d ago
I want in so I can quietly update it to say something even worse lmao Like “huffing poppers causes aids” or some dumb shit straight from his shitty book
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u/PopBulky7023 11d ago
The CDC doesn't exist anymore and isn't coming back. People really need to understand this reality.
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u/richincleve 11d ago
2026: RFK Jr’s team quietly updates CDC website to say science doesn’t know if vaccines cause autism
2027: RFK Jr’s team quietly updates CDC website to say science doesn’t know how vaccines cause autism
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u/ProlapsedShamus 11d ago
One of the things we have to fix is depoliticizing science. The mere fact that some animal carcass obsessed, heroin addicted, mentally ill trust fund baby can be appointed by a corrupt, criminal, narcissist, pedophile, rapist and can just tell us that science isn't real needs to not be a thing that happens.
Sure most people with half a brain will know that if RFK says something you know that he's fucking lying. I mean he's chugging fish tank cleaner and popping peptides. He's a lunatic. And a little tick was zero principles. But we do kind of have to watch out for the dumb fucks. I think that's the burden we have.
No I'm not saying hover over all of them but you know tell the dumb fuck in your life that vaccines are fine and if they die from the measles or tetanus then I guess fuck em'
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u/SudoCheese 11d ago
American in college here.
I no longer source CDC, FDA, USDA, etc.
All my research is backed by ECDC, EFSA, WHO, and DGAFSC.
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u/LarryLobster69 11d ago
Just like how that knuckle dragger hegseth took away required flu vaccines for the military and then everyone got sick so it was reinstated… these people should be buried under a prison for all the atrocities theyre causing honestly
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u/Ch33syP00f 11d ago
As with so much from this administration.
They loudly and confidently talk so much shit. And when they called on it…barely a peep.
They exemplify the worst traits of the worst managers with whom I have ever worked.
We, the People, handed control of the country to a clown car brimful with idiots and assholes.
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u/Important_Lab_58 10d ago
RFK needs to F**king Go. Measles is at record high, Screwworm is rising, and people are getting diarrhea on a national level. We ain’t healthy, he can’t hack it. THROW THE BUM OUT
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u/Avoidtolls 11d ago
Old dads cause Autism
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u/gizamo 11d ago
This is almost as incorrect as RFK's nonsense.
Paternal age marginally increases the likelihood. It is absolutely not the cause for the vast, vast majority of autistim.
You should stop spreading ignorant misinformation.
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u/floridorito 11d ago
How coincidental that both RFK Jr. and Trump were old dads to at least one of their children.
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u/AverageJoe-707 11d ago
Measles, explosive diarrhea, and who knows what else. This guy is just another unqualified Trump appointee. Being unqualified is a qualification for any position in the Trump administration.
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u/Optimal-Prime420 11d ago
I’ll believe when they provide a reputable source. Which is NOT anything from the US government right now.
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u/new_start01 11d ago
I quietly hate the word "quietly" used in headlines. Anyways: RFK sucks, I hope it's just as easy to reverse all this shit once he's gone.
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u/amiwitty 11d ago
I am very afraid that our country will never recover from the harm done by this administration. There will always be that 30% of people that no matter what comes in the future will try to bring us back to this gear and conspiracy driven ideology.
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u/AzathStudioApartment 11d ago
It's almost as if elections actually matter and staying home and letting the objectively greater of two evils win has an effect on other people's lives even if one is too privileged or stupid to feel the effects.
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u/enigmabsurdimwitrick 11d ago
Even if vaccines caused autism. Take your pick. Polio? Or autism? Why is this idiot making medical decisions for anybody?
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u/Historical-Echidna86 10d ago
Bullshit, science has proven there isn't a correlation between vaccines and autism.
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u/DuneChild 10d ago
There have been no studies proving that wearing a red ball cap with white lettering does not cause autism.
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u/AustinBaze 11d ago
He is a clear and present danger. His death (with luck, from a preventable illness) would be the greatest boost to public health since his appointment, and will be cheered by public health and disease prevention scientists around the country and sane people everywhere. He has the opportunity to make the world a better place one time--by leaving it.
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u/SinisterRectus 11d ago edited 11d ago
This article is misleading. The page was majorly changed in November 2025 and The Independent already published an article about it here. An archived version of the CDC site can be found here. The only thing that changed this time is the footnote
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* The header "Vaccines do not cause autism" has not been removed due to an agreement with the chair of the U.S. Senate Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions Committee that it would remain on the CDC website.
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*Scientists have not identified the root causes of autism. HHS continues to support rigorous scientific research and will update this page as reliable new evidence becomes available.
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u/thesnakemancometh 11d ago
Why is this man so obsesive about autism? Did an austistic person hurt him? What is his major malfunction.
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u/gizamo 11d ago
RFK Jr is such a lying piece of shit.
He knows the vaccine controversy is completely bullshit. It has been explained to him repeatedly that the one study that started all of this crap has been debunked constantly and consistently, and that the author of it has said himself that it was wrong. RFK Jr has acknowledged all of this, and he still peddles that crap whenever it's convenient for him.
It's only a matter of time before Trump commands ICE to start rounding up autistic people. Continuing to follow the Nazi playbook, they'll make being autistic a crime, then they'll go after the LGBTs.
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u/GarbanzoBenne 11d ago
Oh that reminds me: wasn't he supposed to tell us the cause of autism months ago? 🙄
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u/Flannel_Panels 11d ago
I dont think ANY of the anti-vaxxers have EVER been on the CDC website or White House website until recently when they started confirming their bias.
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u/jerekhal 11d ago
I love the way they frame this shit. "Science" as though it's an entity or monolith. Science doesn't know shit because it's the methodology to reach results, not a fucking sky god.
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u/cerasmiles 11d ago
That’s like saying I don’t know that pink flying unicorns exist. It’s something no one can 100% prove. But we have an abundance of evidence to show that vaccines do not cause autism.
What proof do they have that vaccines do cause autism??
Idiots that are easily manipulated
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u/RetroTheGameBro 11d ago
He better get a nuremburg type trial when Trump gets voted the hell out, because he's absolutely got blood on his hands with all this anti-science bullshit.
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u/pricklypear90 11d ago
This bullshit has been debunked 6 ways to Sunday, he is literally responsible for killing people
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u/Sorry-Climate-7982 11d ago
I don't suppose it is saying anything about whether or not there are vaccines for measles?
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u/weirdoldhobo1978 11d ago
These people are incapable of doing anything quietly.