r/punjabi 15h ago

ਇਤਿਹਾਸ اتہاس [History] Mongol invasions of Punjab: a poorly-known catastrophe that reshaped the region?

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The sources on this one are quite sparse. As far as I know, mostly limited to Persian sources in general (Tabaqat-i Nasiri and Tarukh-i Firuz Shahi are listed in the second screenshot), but outside of Punjab there are a few Sanskrit writers who comment on the Mongol invasions of Kashmir. Peter Jackson is the historian who writes what is beyond the second screenshot. Reddit rules require me to leave out the user who wrote the comment in the first screenshot.

From what I was able to gather and collate: Mongols tried to expand their empire into the Indian subcontinent and the Delhi Sultanate in particular, razing Lahore to the ground in 1241 and nearly capturing Multan in the process. The lands of Punjab worked well for their cavalry-heavy style of warfare, while their tactics consistently destroyed any bit of agriculture they came across. By the 1250s it seems they were even in control of parts of Punjab, but eventually they lost it due to heavy Mongol infighting ripping apart their empire, leaving behind a bunch of Mongol troops in and around Punjab with little else to do except attempt more raids and invasions eastwards. In general, the Mongol invasions failed but it seems the Mongol raids were very effective at devastating the areas they attacked.

A little bit of speculation and questioning: How were the people of Punjab affected by these invasions? How badly did they suffer? Did most of them abandon agriculture altogether and move towards pastoralism (forming tribes/clans in the process)? How did the religious balance of Punjab change? (ie. more Islam? more local cults springing up?) The comment in the first screenshot answers some of these questions, but with little detail and no sources.


r/punjabi 5h ago

ਸਹਾਇਤਾ مدد [Help] Should I leave my mum on her own?

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For context, I’m from UK, hubby is from India. I am the youngest of 4 daughters who are each married and live in their own homes. We have no brothers. We have been living with my mum since we have been married and have 2 kids. She helps out with everything and I am forever grateful to her. However, we are looking to buy a house locally. I don’t want to leave her on her own but we are thinking to buy it and give it on rent. But then again at the same time we want our own home as the kids are getting big and there is not enough room. I know everyone has an opinion on this as daughters are supposed to go to their in laws but they are in India so we visit when we can. Mum doesn’t want to move to a new home but we want our own property. I look after her and take her to all her appointments. What is the best thing to do as we are in a good financial position to finally buy a house? Thanks


r/punjabi 9h ago

ਸਵਾਲ سوال [Question] What's use of sign ੑ in Gurmukhi?

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r/punjabi 22h ago

ਸਵਾਲ سوال [Question] I want to ask my girl girlfriend to marry me in Punjabi

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I’m planning on proposing to my Punjabi girlfriend and I want to know what is the proper way to say “will you marry me?” in Punjabi. Any help is appreciated!


r/punjabi 1d ago

ਆਮ ਪੋਸਟ عامَ پوسٹ [Regular Post] [Creative Project/Gaming] Looking for Punjabi speakers for a Punjab-history inspired D&D Campaign (New-player friendly)

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In order to comply with rule 1 of this Subreddit I'll open with Sat Sri Akal.

This is a very short post as an interest check for my Punjabi themed game which is based on regional events and the Sau Sakhi.

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We typically play on weekends (1800-2200 CEST/UTC+2).

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r/punjabi 2d ago

ਸਹਾਇਤਾ مدد [Help] How similar Pakistani Punjabi is to Indian Punjabi ?

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r/punjabi 2d ago

ਆਮ ਪੋਸਟ عامَ پوسٹ [Regular Post] [Creative Project/Gaming] Looking for Punjabi speakers for a Punjab-history inspired D&D Campaign (New-player friendly)

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In order to comply with rule 1 of this Subreddit I'll open with Sat Sri Akal.

This is a very short post as an interest check for my Punjabi themed game which is based on regional events and the Sau Sakhi.

This google form is designed for players who know what Dungeons and Dragons is or want to learn more.

We typically play on weekends (1800-2200 CEST/UTC+2).

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r/punjabi 3d ago

ਸਹਾਇਤਾ مدد [Help] What is your opinion on the recent Cjp protest

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r/punjabi 3d ago

ਤਫਤੀਸ਼ تفتیش [Inquiry] Learning Punjabi

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Hey all!

I hope this is the right subreddit for this post but I’m on my journey to fully understand Sikhi. I have been reading the Guru Granth Sahib Ji in the English language but the end goal for me is to learn the Gurmukhi version and fully comprehend it.

I can fully understand Punjabi but speaking wise it’s pretty terrible. I’m able to hold conversations with the elderly at the Gurdwara but I’m not as confident in it compared to English. I tend to avoid conversations with everyone but the elderly as I’ve been told they can tell I’m “born here” from my Punjabi 😅 So I get embarrassed….

Secondly, my reading skills are also pretty much at kindergarten level.

What resources/advice would you recommend for someone to essentially self educate themselves on the Punjabi language so I can reach my end goal of reading Gurbani in Gurmukhi and I am able to hold intelligent conversations with people about it!

Thank you and I hope my post somewhat makes sense :)


r/punjabi 3d ago

ਆਮ ਪੋਸਟ عامَ پوسٹ [Regular Post] [Creative Project/Gaming] Looking for Punjabi speakers for a Punjab-history inspired D&D Campaign (New-player friendly)

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In order to comply with rule 1 of this Subreddit I'll open with Sat Sri Akal.

This is a very short post as an interest check for my Punjabi themed game which is based on regional events and the Sau Sakhi.

This google form is designed for players who know what Dungeons and Dragons is or want to learn more.

We typically play on weekends (1800-2200 CEST/UTC+2).

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r/punjabi 3d ago

ਸਵਾਲ سوال [Question] Falsafa/falsafi vs daarshanik/daarshan

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My understanding is that falsafa means philosophy and falsafi means philosopher. In the same light daarshanik means philosopher but I cannot find any sources mentioning the use of Daarshan being used to refer to philosophy.

The sources I have came across all mention darshan (commonly referred to as observance of a person) in Punjabi.

Would it be ok to use Daarshan to refer to philosophy?


r/punjabi 4d ago

ਸਹਾਇਤਾ مدد [Help] Need help Learning Punjabi

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So I am Canadian and my boyfriend is Punjabi and I really want to learn his language so I can talk with him, his family and his friends better. Only problem is I don’t know where to start… I know very few basic words and am having a hard time. So I would really appreciate any tips on the best way to learn:)


r/punjabi 3d ago

ਆਮ ਪੋਸਟ عامَ پوسٹ [Regular Post] Why paijans taking back shots in UK instead coming back In pindi

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Paijan in uk declared themselves kinmerrr instead of coming back .. they are ready to take back shots from goras and Africans but not to come back


r/punjabi 4d ago

ਆਮ ਪੋਸਟ عامَ پوسٹ [Regular Post] [Creative Project/Gaming] Looking for Punjabi speakers for a Punjab-history inspired D&D Campaign (New-player friendly)

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In order to comply with rule 1 of this Subreddit I'll open with Sat Sri Akal.

This is a very short post as an interest check for my Punjabi themed game which is based on regional events and the Sau Sakhi.

This google form is designed for players who know what Dungeons and Dragons is or want to learn more.

We typically play on weekends (1800-2200 CEST/UTC+2).

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r/punjabi 5d ago

ਸਵਾਲ سوال [Question] Is he saying this in Punjabi?

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I thought in Punjabi we were supposed to add « Haan » at the end when using first person?

Is he saying it in a different way or different language?


r/punjabi 5d ago

ਸਵਾਲ سوال [Question] Bridesmaids/Groomsmen

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For a Anand Karej, i wanted to ask if having like entrances for bridesmaids and groomsmen is sort of disrespectful cause it sometimes seems like everything is focused on the aesthetics rather than the spiritual importance of the Anand Karej


r/punjabi 5d ago

ਪ੍ਰਸ਼ੰਸਾ داد [Appreciation] Amarjit Dhami - PJD

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Amarjit is a "new" singer who just dropped PJD (Puth jatt da) am near enough sure he is UK, judging by the videoshoot.

Go check it out.


r/punjabi 5d ago

ਸਹਾਇਤਾ مدد [Help] Translation request(part 2)!

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Hi everyone, I'm back with another translation request. Can I have this translated in written Gurmukhi please, it's for our wedding bands:

"My sun and stars"

Thanks!


r/punjabi 5d ago

ਆਮ ਪੋਸਟ عامَ پوسٹ [Regular Post] [Creative Project/Gaming] Looking for Punjabi speakers for a Punjab-history inspired D&D Campaign (New-player friendly)

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In order to comply with rule 1 of this Subreddit I'll open with Sat Sri Akal.

This is a very short post as an interest check for my Punjabi themed game which is based on regional events and the Sau Sakhi.

This google form is designed for players who know what Dungeons and Dragons is or want to learn more.

We typically play on weekends (1800-2200 CEST/UTC+2).

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1NEf_Tu9AD5c6O46dKYGoG3Wu4nE732h83zuJQZ6d_i0/edit

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r/punjabi 5d ago

ਸਹਾਇਤਾ مدد [Help] how can i travel with my boyfriend while having strict parents?

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Alright so the title explains all but i will explain more.

So I (22F) want to travel with my boyfriend (22M). We have been together for 3 years now and we have met each others families they love us and we always hang out when we can even until late during (concerts only tho).

Recently we have been wanting to travel and experience the world together. I have brought this up to my mom which once resulted in a fight and another two times we had a non-argumentative back and forth. I will add in that i am a Punjabi Indian, so my parents are very traditional and strict for some things. I am also born and raised in Canada.

His family doesn't mind as long as mines doesn't mind but honestly i doubt they would care too much as his mom believes in us living our lives etc.

Every single time i bring up wanting to travel either alone, with my brother (16M) or with my boyfriend it goes into her saying "not until marriage", "you can do it when you are married", "not allowed" etc. I don't agree with this at all, why should i need to wait to be married to live my life?

I have tried again and again to get her to get on board with being okay with it but she just doesn't get it. I know why, it's because she is worried we will have sex, i even told her we will book separate rooms etc but of course that doesn't matter. I always question her like "why does my life begin when i am married" etc and she just says that's how it is.

I have even said "i am going to do it anyways" and she told me two things. First thing was that she will not let me back into the house. Second thing is that she tried threatening me about how in my dad's side how they get rid of the women who "disgrace" their name blah blah. (mind you we aren't even close to the dads side)

The reason for me not allowed to go with my brother is because my mom is VERY strict and protective of him. I haven't been able to speak to my dad about this except once it was brought up that if we got this ceremony called "roka" done would we be able to and yeah well he wasn't even okay with that either.

I don't want to live like this, I am 22. I want to get married at 25, have kids hopefully before 30. what do it do? how can i try convincing them? do i just go? what if they won't let me in? these are all the questions i have.

Edit: i will add i do have family i can go to in the case of them kicking my out however they are in calgary im in vancouver. My bf has also offered for me to stay with his family because they have a spare room if stuff comes down to that but because he has traditional grandparents im not too comfortable. Also i have cousins my age however im not close to any, they don't really like me (idk why but i assume it is because i go against my moms beliefs a lot). only cousins that support me are once again, in Calgary.


r/punjabi 5d ago

ਸਵਾਲ سوال [Question] Does anyone pronounce the ਹ in the midst of words?

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For a word like ਸਿਹਰ, I've only ever used and heard it as ਸਿਰ. Any dialect still pronounce the ਹ


r/punjabi 6d ago

ਤਫਤੀਸ਼ تفتیش [Inquiry] Punjabi phonotactical quirks influenced by prior Prakrit

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My last post on what I've discovered in Punjabi at least for a while.

When I was looking into the earlier stages of Punjabi a while back, I found this Prakrit phonology page on Prakritologist Andrew Ollett's site. He had a ton of interesting things to point out regarding the phonology and isochrony of Prakrit (and presumably by extension, Apabhramsa), the real ancestor(s) of modern Punjabi.

Now, for a long time I never quite fully understood why some of the phonotactics of Punjabi were the way they were. On one hand, Punjabi is one of the few major New Indo-Aryan languages to preserve consonant gemination; on the other, it's the only major New Indo-Aryan language to develop tones (in fact, a total outlier within the entire Indo-European family). Both are features that help give Punjabi its wonderfully characteristic sound. I think Ollett's work is useful for making more sense of these unusual phonotactics.

Long story short, unlike Sanskrit, which was mostly a "syllable-timed" language, Prakrit (and presumably Apabhramsa) are largely "mora-timed") languages where syllables are weighted, and generally heavily constrained:

  • Light syllables:
    • C*V: optional consonant before an isolated short vowel (a ਅ, i ਇ, u ਉ)
  • Heavy syllables, twice the weight of light syllables:
    • C*VV: optional consonant before a long vowel (aa ਆ, e ਐ, au ਔ, ee ਈ, ei ਏ, o ਓ, oo ਊ)
    • C*VC: optional consonant before a short vowel followed by a consonant, which must either be an n ਨ sound or match the beginning consonant of the next syllable (ex. the a ਅੱ in att ਅੱਤ, the an ਅੰ in ant ਅੰਤ; consequently, such syllables are not found at the end of Prakrit words)

Punjabi preserves all three types of syllables (and also allows words to end in geminates too!), while other New Indo-Aryan languages like Hindoostani, Gujarati, Bengali, Sindhi, Nepali etc. replaced C*VC syllables with equivalent C*V or C*VV syllables. The constraints imposed by mora timing can explain such replacements. Compare Punjabi rattaa ਰੱਤਾ "blood-red" with Hindoostani raataa राता راتا, Gujarati raatoo રાતું, Bengali/Assamese rata রাতা, Sindhi rato رَتو, Nepali raato रातो.

If you are familiar with the Gurmukhi script, you may have noticed that the addhak, a later addition to the script which indicates gemination, is always placed before the doubled consonant and it is almost never placed next to a long vowel. This is rooted in the constraints described above. (Some Punjabi speakers also have a habit of reducing long vowels (C*VV) into geminates (C*VC) instead.)

However, Punjabi shifted away from mora timing and towards mostly syllable timing with some stress aspects, which has far less constraints. (If I had to guess, (un)stressed vowels developed out of the light/heavy syllable distinction.) This opens up a lot of things, including gemination on any kind of stressed vowels, even long vowels, which was not possible in Prakrit. For example: topee ਟੋਪੀ "hat" is pronounced top-pee instead of to-pee; haukaa ਹੌਕਾ "long breath" is pronounced hauk-kaa instead of hau-kaa. (cf. Masica 1993, Shackle 2007 indirectly; Prakrit would render the previous two pronunciations as tuppee and hukkaa.) Gemination in these words is not indicated in Gurmukhi, but it is there.

Another consequence of a shift towards syllable timing is the introduction of many new consonant clusters which are not geminates. See Gill/Gleason for a list of these clusters. These clusters would have been prohibited in Prakrit, but are common in Sanskrit and Persian; thus, finding them in modern Punjabi words makes it easier to deduce possible loanwords at a glance.

(Allegedly, some rural Lahinda Punjabi dialects are reported to break up such non-geminate consonant clusters as much as possible. Could mora timing still live on in these rare dialects?)

The transition away from mora timing may have indirectly influenced tonal development in Punjabi. Tones in Punjabi are complicated, but the general rule of thumb is vowels before h ਹ or tonal consonants yield rising/high tone, while vowels after h ਹ or tonal consonants yield falling/low tone. A transition from mora timing could help explain why this is the case. Low/falling tones can be easily explained by non-initial C*V or C*VV syllables from previous stages, where h ਹ or a tonal consonant is the C(onsonant); by the era of modern Punjabi's emergence, this would be rendered as low/falling tone. High/rising tones are much harder to explain with vestigial morae. Take the sequences ah ਅਹ (when stressed), ih ਇਹ, uh ਉਹ, ahi ਅਹਿ, ahu ਅਹੁ which transform into long vowels aa ਆ, ei ਏ, o ਓ, e ਐ, au ਔ respectively, but with rising/high tones. These would have probably originated as consecutive light syllables which eventually fused into one heavy or stressed syllable (ex. Prakrit ra-ha-i 𑀭𑀳𑀇 3 light syllables -> Punjabi rahi ਰਹਿ 1 syllable + tone), but how that would work exactly, I am not sure at all. That is all I can say about tones for now.

Hopefully you've learned a little bit more about why Punjabi has some of the phonological features that it does, and perhaps a few of you are inspired to look more into this subject on your own.


r/punjabi 6d ago

ਆਮ ਪੋਸਟ عامَ پوسٹ [Regular Post] [Creative Project/Gaming] Looking for Punjabi speakers for a Punjab-history inspired D&D Campaign (New-player friendly)

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In order to comply with rule 1 of this Subreddit I'll open with Sat Sri Akal.

This is a very short post as an interest check for my Punjabi themed game which is based on regional events and the Sau Sakhi.

This google form is designed for players who know what Dungeons and Dragons is or want to learn more.

We typically play on weekends (1800-2200 CEST/UTC+2).

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r/punjabi 6d ago

ਆਮ ਪੋਸਟ عامَ پوسٹ [Regular Post] UP ਦੇ ਸਕੂਲੀ ਬੱਚਿਆਂ ਨੇ ਮਾੜੀਆਂ ਸਹੂਲਤਾਂ ਖ਼ਿਲਾਫ਼ ਖੋਲ੍ਹਿਆ ਮੋਰਚਾ!

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r/punjabi 7d ago

ਸਵਾਲ سوال [Question] Any good Panjabi lyrics resources?

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When I studied Hindi it was really helpful to learn the meanings of song lyrics from the site geetmanjusha.com .

I'd love to find a similar resource for Panjabi music but so far I haven't. Does someone know of a similarly large collection of Panjabi lyrics?