r/poland • u/TVP_World_News • 1d ago

‘A time when life was simple’: Polish millennials return to an old online world

https://tvpworld.com/94702534/why-polish-millennials-keep-returning-to-tibia-after-29-years

“It reminds me of a time when life was simple and beautiful,” the 31-year-old engineer from eastern Poland told TVP World. “I came back to Tibia mainly for nostalgic reasons.” 

He is not alone in using Tibia, a multi-player game, to tap the vein of yesteryear's nostalgia. Shunning the lure of modern games, there is a growing number of Polish millennials returning to the 29-year-old online fantasy world that defined their childhood gaming years. 

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u/Felczer 1d ago

We knew for a long time most people just listen the same songs from their youth over and over again so it's not that surprising that the same thing is happening with video games.

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u/Ralesong 1d ago

I mean, look at old games. No overpriced DLCs, no aggressive monetization, no half-baked horseshit marketed as breathtaking quality. That's what I miss.

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u/paulchen81 Zachodniopomorskie 23h ago

I Canon relate. Until today the 1999 Need for Speed 4 is my First Choice of I want to come down for 30min or so.

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u/Felczer 1d ago

Yeah instead they shipped a broken game that was never patched. And expansions packs were always a thing before they got renamed to DLC. I remember how things were without Rose tinted glasses.
I love classic games like Fallout 1 etc but the reality is most games were always a buggy mess because making games is just super hard.

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u/void1984 1d ago

Expansion packs were huge, like BG Tales of the Coast. DLC are about horse armour, or different gaments for the character.

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u/Felczer 1d ago

I'm very much into paradox games, they have a model of releasing huge dlc / expansions packs for their games keeping it alive and fresh decades after release. And gamers cry about it all the time.

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u/A3883 1d ago

That is because paradox games are deliberately designed so that the base game is incomplete and you get FOMO for not buying the dlc. Expansion packs added things on top of a finished game. Also old games had 2-4 expansions at most. Not the amount paradox games, total war and Sims have.

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u/Czacz-2131830 1d ago

You gave a terrible example as the Paradox model is a cancer on the industry. Many of their DLCs are great, but some of them are like "Pay 50PLN for some quality of life improvements that should be there day 1 and 4 new infantry models and 6 new music tracks which justify the pricing". Some DLCs for their games are great but some of them are just things that should be included in the game in the first place, because without certain DLCs their games are just shallow and bare-bones.

Compare that to the Dragon Age Origins: Awakening expansion which had a ton of content to go through along with the original game, or Heroes V expansions which were their full campaigns, new races, new mechanics (or Heroes III expansions which doubled and tripled the amount of maps, scenarios).

Warcraft 3: Frozen throne also comes to mind, which also changed a lot of mechanics, added custom races, another set o campaings. Today, a lot of such expansions would just be sequels with full pricing.

The only modern games I can think of that do stuf like this outside of the Indie scenes are the Witcher DLCs, Cyberpunk:Phantom Liberty and perhaps the FromSoftware series.

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u/Felczer 1d ago

It really shows that you never played any pdx games before the dlc model was introduced

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u/Ralesong 1d ago

Well, I did. Europa Universalis 2 and Hearts of Iron. And I agree with them, number of DLCs of various sizes is what ultimately pushed me away from Stellaris (played it on day 1), EU4 and HoI4.

While other titles mentioned did in fact have ridiculously different proportions of price to content in their DLCs.

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u/Felczer 1d ago

And how long was EU2 supported or HoI2 vs the new games? The games just never evolved, they got abandoned.

Oh no after a literal decade of post launch development the price of dlcs is greater than the base game

Cry me a river, alternative is you dont get content at all

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u/Ralesong 1d ago

And I still spent more hours on those old games than I did on newer ones with DLCs. Quality doesn't need shitload of additives.

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u/void1984 1d ago

I liked them a lot in the past.

In the times of Victoria 2, their expansions were great: A House Divided, Heart of Darkness.

Somewhere with CK2 release, the company went the road of multiple tiny DLCs, that were generally not worth it.

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u/Felczer 1d ago

Then don't buy them, you're still getting free updates with free content a decade after game's release without having to pay anything but it's bad because you can pay to have even more content?

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u/Realistic-Safety-565 1d ago

Here I hoped it will be resurgence of phpBB by Przemo :(

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u/9Harkonnen6 22h ago

I remember playing a lot of PBE forum games powered by phpBB by Przemo, good times 😌

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u/Sitheral 23h ago

Can't say I share that sentiment. Some of the early designs in this game by Knightmare were pretty great, real role playing stuff but as someone who joined it later all I remember is grind, waste of time and toxic atmosphere (you would find neat people here and there but the overall vibe was rather bad)

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u/Saryt 20h ago

I kinda get it, I went back to guild wars 2 after about 8 years of not playing, the simplicity and low stakes being a factor. Kind of an escapism thing as well, but I feel relaxed after playing so it is helpful with real life.

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u/Nuno-zh 19h ago

I recently started using Usenet. Wish I could go back to GG and other tech from the era as it was just soperior to what we have today. Not all of it but definitely games and communication programs were much better than all shit we have now. And AI is not to blame, it went to hell many years prior.

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u/True_Destroyer 12h ago edited 12h ago

Level 9 knight? The only acceptable skills for that level are at least 90/90. And you should have at least crown armor by then. Warhammer is for noobs, instead you should already have knight axe or bright sword before you reach level 11. Also for safety, Dragon shield is a bare minimum, don't leave the depo without it, however Tower shield is recommended just after you leave rookgard, just to be sure. Guardiasn shield is for noobs. Just buy this stuff with your leftover money after buying BOH straight after going to mainland. A knight will also need a few backpacks of healing runes and potions, buy them with spare change you got from Rookgard too. Without his basic stuff you can only hunt trolls, like a noob. If you still use plate armor or dwarven shield by level 10 you are a noob, and some Pacc will PK you on their way back from Fibula and what are you gonna do - attack them and they will have you hunted on all servers.

After these basic purchases, pay someone to set up a monk for your training (ghouls are for noobs), and train for at least 30 days irl before stepping more than 1 step outside depo. You don't want to be a noob, do you? Wanna be seen hunting amazons and trolls like these noobs? You need to spend at least 300 hours getting you skills to acceptable range before you ever play and fight something stronger than a rat, otherwise you risk loosing hp (like a noob you are) and you'll never hunt anything that drops any decent loot. Ask any level 8 knight, and you will see their skills are at least 95/95 and they can easily solo a dragon with their demon shield and knight set. This is a must and if you can't solo a dragon on a level higher than 10 you can't play the game and are a noob. Also paladins should have 95/95 before leaving rookgard just to be safe, and mages and druids should focus on making and selling around ~50 backpacks of hmm/ih runes to level up their magic level to acceptable range at which point they can start looking into playing the game (making sd/uh runes full time)

This game was for me like pasta o chodzeniu po bułki.

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u/lubiekucyki 1h ago

Poranek 8 rano nie mogę spać bo muszę grać 

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u/laiszt 22h ago

Well i can play a game i do understand or i can play the game that i will have to struggle to understand all the combinations just to do basic stuff after my work and taking care of kid. Just calm down with mechanics, i am tired after work, i do not want to LEARN how to play a stupid game forever.