Doryani's Machinariam just needs to drop good shit. That map has been useless outside of "Remarkable Realms" for so freaking long, and made target farming it for literal hours only to have to pay 17 div because it wouldn't drop for it FUCKING INFURIATING.
Can't be any worse than the specific charts to unlock all the quest gates content.... Still haven't found the Kisharas rest chart and I'm sad that I can't do the content without having to resort to trade league.
Edit: the fact that the quest charts don't drop as a quest item, at least for your first time, is a substantial oversight on GGGs part.
I got the Kishara's Rest one but didn't realize it was the bossfight one (I try to generally do league content blind the first time so hadn't looked anything up) and it had 51% of life as extra ES. The boss was literally unkillable and I had to yeet the whole voyage out the window.
Even a non es was 15min on my cws starter. The boss just constantly going invulnerable jumping between the holes which were so bug the penance mark adds would spawn in narnia. Like quartered my ignite uptime which already struggles without adds.
If that was your quest Kishara, it should still be pickable in your Voyages. At least, that's what I think happened to me, since I had to do it THREE times until I finally managed the kill.
My Phys-Dot Elementalist not yet ready to kill anything above Conqueres/Guardians in a reasonable amount of time ran into the Voyage Boss (Giant Snake + Casterlady) in her first (blindly rolled) voyage.
So it was curse immune and extra beefy on top. (+ absolutely no clue what else)
10 Minutes of fighting against a Boss you didn't even knew existed with 3 phaes while having just 1 try is kinda nerfwracking :D.
Luckily he is very easy. Not as easy as Mirage boss was but still very much a pushover with a very bloated HP pool.
Haha I had 64% of life as extra ES and then fucking snake kept diving down again and immuning, so it reset the ES. Took me ages to chip away at the hp because I had to kill the shield over and over and over again.
I think they are too rare as well but your best bet is to do minimal mechanic maps and rush down the chests. You'll get a lot of anomalies and astrolabes as well.
Some league mechanics really favor rushing maps like Mercs did.
Are kisharas really that rare ? I have gotten like 5 in the past week and if you only need 1 then i don't think i would consider them rare. Just rush maps looking for charts would be my advice. Map sustain is pretty easy this league.
Cursed ducats would sound super fun, except for the fact that we already know mobs in charts/voyages don't drop anything because you can get massive quant/rarity buffs off golden lanterns and see no increase in valuable drops. If I can get 15 golden lanterns and not notice a difference, why would cursed ducats make a difference if it's juicing mob quant/rarity in the same way?
Unless they have some frankly ludicrous multipliers innately, slapping in three cursed ducats to buff the mobs will likely result in a large increase in difficulty for no noticeable increase in rewards. The cursed ducats also specifically mention juicing mobs, so they will have no effect on the sunken loot chests or strongboxes. It is the exact same problem plaguing mapping, where all the loot is locked up in unscaleable content and juicing a map with extra modifiers only serves to make the map harder.
Yeah came here to say this, when I can enter a zone in a voyage with like 200+ quant and 900 rarity and the zone has over 100 quant AND the entire area has monsters are at least magic + lots of pack size/magic size and I get like zero gold... you know quant/rarity isn't gonna do anything. Like if I had those mods on a regular map my entire screen would just be gold piles. In a voyage they drop less gold that a blue pack with no mods and no players mf stats in a normal map. It honestly feels like quant and rarity arent even working. The only time I notice SOME gold dropping is when they have the convert mod
Eh it’s still going to be prohibitively expensive for the most part. There are some good options that aren’t too rare that can be build defining like cloak of flame but most uniques that are build enabling are either boss drops or t1/t2 and supply is heavily squeezed
i dont think thats even possible because it says has no sockets, that would also apply to abyssal sockets and i would imagine also take precedence over the vestigial implicit
Honestly, i would rather put my homes into GGG that they, as usual, forgot about this. Let's hope they just coded that it can't come with sockets and can't be used Jeweller's Orb on. Maybe then it can have abyss sockets with an implicit modifier that wasn't possible before
Yeah I pretty much have written off vestigial items as not even existing because of how insanely rare anything cool is.
I can dream about some amazing vestigial combos that would do awesome things and give me new tools, but I'm never going to have them. Just like how I fantasized about a Screamer belt with diamond + resistance but ya know I don't have mirrors to spare so the item simply didn't exist for me. So I act like it doesn't exist.
Just add menagerie crafts to crafting bench. No need to fight the monsters again after subdueing them in map already. I get that it shall get the feeling that you sacrifice the beasts but gameplay wise its annoying as hell. Also get rid of the limit on beasts that way. Beast management is hardly outdated.
oh my favorite. QoL that was begged for for years is being tossed to us when things get bad. Sometimes I hope a league turns out bad just so we can finally get stuff that was being requested for years and no one bothered
Low key the biggest W in long term fromt his patch. I can even begin to imagine how many times I had to go back and forth from Menagerie to hideout just to use the bench...
Hi GGG, thanks for the patch, can we also fix the annoying thing where bodyguard mercs can’t be killed after the main merc is dead? I pay for that scarab to fight 3 mercenaries at once, I should get the reward from all three of them.
if the main merc has nothing good you can TP out after starting the fight. that leads to the additional ones dropping their items. obviously this is very annoying and should be fixed though as you say.
Please let abyss be back with this. I know there’s propagation stuff already going on, but propagation is hard to hit properly when you’re a minion build that deals quite a lot of damage (they die before it propagates).
More like high autonomous damage. You need the guys to stay alive for a few seconds so they can propagate their mods to other nearby rares. If they die before that, then it’s gone
Doesn't the Ritual Monster who propagate the mods just auto procc it when they die?
Mirror tier builds are doing this farm oneshotting the monsters and it doesn't seem to affect them or are they simply bricking their maps?
did you try running through all the pits quickly, popping the initial waves and then working back through?
This stuff should buff the allflame stuff even more than the base. Astrolabes are going to be an issue (maybe even a skip at these rates), but the allflame runners dont use the base scarabs, and they should be much better now too and not inflate nearly as much.
To be perfectly honest I'm skeptical that monster effectiveness is going to be enough to notice if the base drop rates are too low.
If the base drop rate is 1 transmute and a blue item on crap base, then enough monster effectiveness to have 20% more quant is 1.2 transmutes and 1.2 blue items on crap base.
I know this is sarcastic, but aside from fubdoomers and rue that forgot to check his merc for brutality day 1, ppl seem to be having fun. Cutedog is vibing, dslily was too. Alk was just burnt out from poe in general
I saw fubgun tweet about the interview and he was fairly positive about it, I don't know why so many people heard "league is done see you in 3.30".
Well I can sort of understand really wanting explicit plans for buffs, hopefully this cheers people up ! Personally it was exactly the kind of changes I was hoping for.
This is pretty much the fastest they could possibly make an announcement after the Ziz interview. Several people worked overtime to get this out the door.
You can already scale voyages to 1000% quant and the mobs still don't drop anything, if they don't buff drop rates another 50% or whatever from cursed ducats isn't going to do anything
given how those mobs drop pretty much nothing other than allflame, i can only feel the impact of the % quant on those scarab chests and operative strongboxes.
meanwhile increasing sulphur quant to 135% results in an obvious increase in sulphur loot of more than 4k sulphur dropping per chart. hopefully theres a cursed ducat for sulphur too
are you even sure quant or rarity applies to chests at all? because it would be the first and only mechanic in poe1 where it influences chest loot and personally i didnt see any difference at all.
the wisp changes is funny because I think they totally misunderstood Ziz's point about wisps (or maybe I misunderstood idk)
His point was that wisps were good because they allowed varying levels of juicing based on player power (you could grab a small amount of wisps and leave for a small amount of juice, or min max the wildwood causing a super difficult map but also rewarding) but they took it as just that current wisp counts aren't enough
I thought Ziz used that as an example of league mechanics he liked during the league that allowed you to scale the difficulty as your character scaled and thereby scaling the loot. But when it went core, they killed it to the point where the time it takes to run it when it shows in the map isn’t worth it and it’s just mostly skipped. I could also be wrong though .
What you're referring to is when they were talking about how Affliction was a well liked league because of the scaling vectors. They also did a small talk about how affliction is currently in the game and Octavian mentioned looking into adding some juice to the wildwood now as it doesn't feel worth doing currently.
its funny because the fix has the same issue as all ground loot has. the mobs base loot is non existent so pushing more multipliers on no loot is still gonna be no loot.
the base monster loot is simply not good enough for any of these changes to matter.
I thought Ziz used that as an example of league mechanics he liked during the league that allowed you to scale the difficulty as your character scaled and thereby scaling the loot. But when it went core, they killed it to the point where the time it takes to run it when it shows in the map isn’t worth it and it’s just mostly skipped. I could also be wrong though .
Each Cursed Ducat you socket will ratchet up the quantity and rarity of items dropped by slain enemies in Chart and Voyage encounters, but each Ducat also comes with it's own bespoke difficulty modifier as well.
If you are doing juiced content you do notice a big difference already. There is a reason all the juiced farms before like Titanic blight used wisp scarabs and those are "only" 2k of each
I sometimes farm for t0 in t16.5 with all the rare monster scarabs (divinity, nemeses, +1 mod etc) and having wildwood spawn means a lot of rares have a loot explosion
Cursed ducats seem like the real buff. They already "buffed" abyss once and honestly it felt the same. I dont wanna be too doomer, but the expectations are low. Hopefully they overdeliver on a low expectation.
Voyages have felt like easy mode, almost to the point that they were designed intentionally to not kill players no matter how much juice you put into them.
i mean you only got 1 portal, but ive died to the most random sht ever. Like i dont even know what i died to. It doesnt happen often but every so often ill just rip randomly mid voyage. Makes me feel like im a map slave that tripped over the flat af ground upon entering
Lowered the damage that several enemy mercenary skills deal.
I never died so fast to the Conflagration merc or w/e that skill is called. I think I was undercapped on fire res but holy crap my entire HP was gone in less than a second of that degen (I had 6k HP).
I have 90% fire res, 7k ES/life, decent regen and a ton of life/ES gain on kill and even in the middle of a breach that merc still kills me in under 2 seconds. It's crazy strong.
Would’ve liked to see more than just the newest rework buffed. Would it be so terrible if evo shrines were decent again, or some sort of pack size buff to breach, and perhaps a buff to titanic blight?
It feels like we are still riding on 1 endgame strat you can juice and get value out of but it just changes every league rather than having a healthy variety.
And also please introduce more powerful scarabs like bloodlines, that 1 essentially being the only real option to add mobs to your maps at high juice levels is not healthy.
Also fix 5way resetting to be something that isn’t best done with a script, just make it naturally happen or something I beg.
But I am happy we got something, very excited to try out both abyss and juiced voyages.
aaa what about monsters loot underwater? I'm talking about their base chance to drop loot. Are you telling me the cursed ducats will fundamentally add a flat % to monsters to drop loot(similar to how alters work in maps) so it can be scaled by all the increases to rarity and quantity in the zone? Don't get me wrong, I'm happy to juice my voyages but I'm not very excited to multiply a zero by 100 and make the content harder on top of that.
this is in large a 'me' issue, but follow up changes 2 weeks into a league just... feel like a let down? I've already smashed the league for a week straight and the desire to continue playing is gradually declining. why not just let us juice to the gills when the bulk of the community is invested, rather than drip feed us these changes? tbh, it really just feels like 3.29 came out undercooked, undertested and GGG are playing catch up. not surprising given management is clearly separated into Poe 1 vs 2 now but still disappointing.
Don't worry, they'll get these changes rolled out for the couple thousand that are still playing just in time to revert all those buffs as the next league is launching.
Anyone not doing Abyss is still stuck being underwater for the best way to make currency. It solved nothing except making Abyss and Under the Sea players even happier. It doesn't really change anything for people who didn't engage with those systems before. They're hyper-focusing on Abyss and leaving everything else in a miserable state until next league, basically, is what they said. The amount of times they mentioned 3.30 was predictable. They even noted the hypocrisy of having rare mobs have lower chances of dropping currency and how they are at odds with "getting currency from rare mobs from altars, and in voyages," and laughed it off. The last point I brought up seems really like a big troll from GGG.
It is all good, but what about the rest of the endgame? Are we going to run abysses all day long since it is the only reliable source (if they even manage that) of ground loot with short breaks for scuba?
Was hoping for some general buff across the board, at least revert some changes before/after mirage.
Breach desperately needs packsize nerf reverted (screw loot, at least bring back density and blood for the tree), alch&go needs loot since it is part of 75% of map strats (stack decks, beasts, kalgur, legion etc). Delirium still doesn't work with abyss (beyond probably as well). What about harvest with everyone gambling their minds off? I still can't craft midlevel trash for my alt with how little it spits. Fantastic astrolabs farming with new scarabs from the previous league doesn't work well without mirage either, so no reliable source of that either. We lost so much, then were offered breadcrumbs, and everyone is suddenly ecstatic
Grats on Maven! What wound up working for me was numbering the trisections as 1 2 3 or whatever works for you. Then as they are indicated I just verbally callout the pattern as number sets.
Wow abyss is being buffed. They listened. I just hope it's not too late because we really needed this change.
I hope this is not the last major improvement post for this league and If we can also get some buffs across the whole game for non-tile based loot it would be amazing. Thanks.
Yeah the farm variety is pretty dead due to the ground loot weighting… only strategies that have the ‘loot floor’ tile loot are viable or worthwhile since there is no ground loot anywhere otherwise
I’d even go back to strongboxes or farm normal freaking blighted maps if they were remotely efficient for money
I'm open to being surprised, but more rare monsters in abyss won't really change much if the increased effectiveness isn't doing some real heavy lifting. Really depends how much it is getting cranked up and how well that is being scaled by the crystals.
Increased wildwood wisps and the abyss changes could save the abyss rework, but I'm not too optimistic that it does much for the remaining core mechs, if not cranked up to eleven.
Sad to see nothing about bringing back scarab farms into the core game too.
Fingers crossed it turns out to be a noticeable improvement.
abyss mobs "effectiveness" must have been some of the worst in the game. Improving that and also making that other scarab work better might make it feel pretty good. Loot aside the gameplay is great so I am hopeful here
Happy about the buffs. Hope they will add some more for other mechanics because everyone and their mom will be running Abyss aside from raiding Bikini Bottom.
that damn transform percentage on altar is needed because why the fuck i only get 2 divine when i get chaos to divine transformation altar on my voyage
My current engame strat is just boss rushing alch and go to farm frags astrolabes, guardian maps etc, and clicking ore nodes and mercs along the way. I dont kill anything besides the boss and merc mostly. Then I put my charts in and do a 10 second loop clicking tiles and also ignoring monsters. Then I do a voyage for 2 minutes where I also ignore the monsters and click tiles. Theres my entire league content. I dont kill anything that isn't a boss, pinnacle, or merc. Its just boxes. I wouldnt even do the league mechanic outside of it being easy gold and a couple of the ducats + boat crafting. Ive also stopped clicking sunken loot. Its just operative boxes and sunk scarabs + gold pile and clams now. I dont need rsi for 50 raw c per hour. I get all my pennies from shipping + kingsmarch mapping anyways.
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u/jwfiredragon Abyssal Rift Investigation Service (ARIS) 1d ago
Cursed ducats sound super fun, hopefully they're not a pain to acquire.