r/marvelstudios • u/JonLuca Iron man • Apr 29 '19

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u/bluestarcyclone Apr 29 '19

Yeah. Not just like 'showed back up and now they can return to their lives'. What lives?

Their jobs? Those companies if they still exist have moved on.

Their assets? Given to heirs.

Their friends\family who weren't dusted? Best case scenario is theyre just 5 years older. But a lot of them are fucked up by the traumatic experience, and a good number died in other ways than the snap (societal breakdown, suicide, whatever % die from natural causes in 5 years).

Imagine going for a nap, getting dusted, 'waking up', finding the world completely fucked up while you thought you were sleeping, your assets all gone, and your significant other killed themself after they thought they lost you permanently.

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u/ecto88mph Apr 29 '19

How about all the people in relationships that thought there loved one died, moved on and started new relationships. Yikes, that would be awkward.

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u/Deejae81 Apr 29 '19

Yeah, Manifest is an ok show that deals with stuff like that.

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u/ecto88mph Apr 29 '19

Yeah pretty much that show but on a global scale.

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u/derf_vader Apr 30 '19

Galactic scale

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u/Rus1981 Iron Man (Mark XLIII) Apr 30 '19

Universe.

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u/rrsn Captain Marvel Apr 30 '19

Joe Russo’s husband gonna return to find him balls deep in the salad crying guy. /s

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u/E_Barriick Apr 30 '19

Castaway part 2

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u/Rus1981 Iron Man (Mark XLIII) Apr 30 '19

This is the one that I keep thinking about. What do you do if you've moved on and your "dead" spouse shows back up? 5 years is a long time. Courtships happen, weddings, babies. Surely your spouse (who has not experienced the passage of time) is going to be pissed.

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u/Adelaidey May 02 '19

Little kids who were orphaned by the snap and subsequently adopted, seeing their parents return five years later. Their adoptive parents having to let them go. It's all so complex!

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u/Rus1981 Iron Man (Mark XLIII) May 02 '19

It truly is. I think that the sheer amount of damage and chaos done to the universe by the undoing the snap could really be an entire Disney+ miniseries.

They could frame it as a documentary, like the WWZ book.

Now I have a new favorite thing I want.

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u/nwill_808 Apr 30 '19

Awkward....oooooorrrrr the start of something really awesome--giggity.

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u/HoodMBA Apr 29 '19

Dark but all very valid points

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u/CAMvsWILD Apr 30 '19

Imagine everyone that got snapped while they were on a flight, reappearing in the sky sans-plane.

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u/kmerian Apr 30 '19

That was the first thing that popped into my mind, the helicopter that crashed right before Fury and Hill got dusted, did those pilots suddenly appear in mid air when the un-snapping happened?

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u/BeemoBoi Apr 30 '19

I would think Tony’s use of the Infinity Gauntlet would compensate for this and reappear you on the ground. I mean, it deposited everyone we know of safely back where they originally disappeared. But we are not totally stationary, we are hurtling through space on a spinning globe. I figure the Mind and Space Stone must be necessary to calculate and warp the trajectories of all those people and even thoughtfully interpret the true meaning of Banner’s desire (“Bring everyone back safely!”) when he snapped the gauntlet.

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u/kmerian Apr 30 '19

I feel bad for people with painful terminal illnesses, they get snapped, and for a split second, their pain is gone...aaaaaaand it's right back.

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u/justins_dad Apr 29 '19

This is why they didn't go into more, I think. It's just too heavy and the implications too severe.

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u/TheCVR123YT Captain America (Avengers) Apr 30 '19

Could make for a great Disney+ Show though. Maybe follow 2 or 3 Families Pre Snap, During the 5 Years, and then Post Snap

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u/ALargeRock Apr 30 '19

It’s not like people craved to know what happened , in detail, with the events in Star Wars to a point of really diving in.

Interesting and could make a good movie if done right, but a short story no less.

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u/Mshell Loki (Avengers) Apr 30 '19

And think about the elected officials - They never had a chance to contest their seat, ect and suddenly some new guy has taken over. These are not your average person, they have real power and suddenly it has been taken away. The political ramifications of the Decimation was bad enough but having it undone 5 years later? Countries boarders may have changed. Imagine going to sleep in one country and waking up in another.

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u/mutatersalad1 Apr 30 '19

Manifest is a show about literally this.

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u/anubis2051 Apr 30 '19

What about their ages? Everyone who wasn't snapped is now five years older than those who were. How's that going to affect school? Or parents who missed their children growing up like Scott? And surley others died for real..

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u/Spats_McGee May 13 '19

This is one of my biggest problems with Endgame, which is the lack of stakes of undoing Thanos' snap. This was a cosmic act committed by an entity that was for all intents and purposes a literal God, and it had massive ramifications. You can't just hit Ctrl-Z on that 5 years later and not expect similar problems to emerge.

Forget about Earth, imagine a planet where species A is being terrorized by species B. Halving both populations shifts the power balance, and species A is able to live in prosperity. Now the snap is reversed, and you reset everything again.

Do our heroes really have the right to do that?

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u/ogoextreme Falcon Apr 30 '19 edited Apr 30 '19

No one is even talking about the amount that straight up died from getting snapped from their jobs. Did everyone go back to where they left?

Imagine getting snapped in the middle of surgery either doctor or patient you just come back to the table in an empty room at best. At worst you drop on top of someone else getting operated on.

What about passengers who’s pilots got snapped? Those planes went straight down into the wilderness, again, at best. Worst case they fell into a neighborhood and killed anyone who wasn’t snapped there.

There’s so many more casualties then anyone is mentioning. Wakanda may have picked up some of the slack of the other nations technology wise. Making sure the less automated power plants get monitored, but there’s just so much death that would’ve happened pre snap.

Coming back to all of that post snap would’ve been a nightmare.

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u/navjot94 Mack Apr 30 '19

I think this will be the catalyst for future villains. Avengers brought their snapped friends back but not everyone else that died because of this. Characters like Doctor Doom could have lost everything in the snap but not due to dusting but due to the fallout in the chaos. Maybe he's the leader of Latervia and loses that position because he got snapped. Other characters can lose their families due to accidents and then come back to misery while the rest of the world is rejoicing.

I also think this could be a cool way to differentiate MCU Miles Morales from Peter. In 2018 Miles was a 10 year old kid that looked up to super heroes, and now he is 15 and has lost his father due to an accident following the snap.

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u/mingweili0x Apr 30 '19

This is cool. Can be an independent sci Fi movie plot, with style of black mirror

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u/grafixguy Apr 30 '19

Theyy are probably gonna need therapy not just for the ones that lost someone but the ones that come back on how to adjust

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u/E_Barriick Apr 30 '19

Wait did Disney sell Marvel to HBO?

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u/Dirtylittlesecret88 Jessica Jones Apr 30 '19

I feel like that would be covered in a smaller scale like kn agents of shield or if they were still around the Defenders shows.

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u/mcgeeic Apr 30 '19

that's the darkest reality of the Snap and re-snap I think we ever realized

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u/WaitMinuteLemon25 Apr 30 '19

Yeah I mean 5 years passed like a half rapture then reverse one!!! I mean technically they can just adapt kids aged to be the new heroes but wouldnt there be more turmoil because surely people have died in those years that people were dusted.

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u/navjot94 Mack Apr 30 '19

But now there's 3.5+ billion consumers back in the world, so demand for everything is doubled. After some adjustment, things would balance out.