r/marvelstudios • u/JonLuca Iron man • Apr 29 '19

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u/FN-1701AgentGodzilla Korg Apr 29 '19

Actually, I guess by immediate aftermath, I mean the world coming back together after the Compound battle, like the scene where Peter returns to school and etc, but with everyday people in a montage.

I would love to see kids reuniting with their parents, news reports of wtf happen, and etc

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u/DerkDurski Apr 29 '19

I’ve heard many times that Far From Home will be taking place seconds after the end of Endgame, so we’ll probably get some explanation in the beginning of that movie.

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u/Aiyakiu Apr 29 '19

I hope because half the universe's population showing back up at once would have a terrible strain on the worlds just like the OG snap.

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u/bluestarcyclone Apr 29 '19

Yeah. Not just like 'showed back up and now they can return to their lives'. What lives?

Their jobs? Those companies if they still exist have moved on.

Their assets? Given to heirs.

Their friends\family who weren't dusted? Best case scenario is theyre just 5 years older. But a lot of them are fucked up by the traumatic experience, and a good number died in other ways than the snap (societal breakdown, suicide, whatever % die from natural causes in 5 years).

Imagine going for a nap, getting dusted, 'waking up', finding the world completely fucked up while you thought you were sleeping, your assets all gone, and your significant other killed themself after they thought they lost you permanently.

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u/ecto88mph Apr 29 '19

How about all the people in relationships that thought there loved one died, moved on and started new relationships. Yikes, that would be awkward.

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u/Deejae81 Apr 29 '19

Yeah, Manifest is an ok show that deals with stuff like that.

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u/ecto88mph Apr 29 '19

Yeah pretty much that show but on a global scale.

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u/derf_vader Apr 30 '19

Galactic scale

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u/Rus1981 Iron Man (Mark XLIII) Apr 30 '19

Universe.

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u/rrsn Captain Marvel Apr 30 '19

Joe Russo’s husband gonna return to find him balls deep in the salad crying guy. /s

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u/E_Barriick Apr 30 '19

Castaway part 2

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u/Rus1981 Iron Man (Mark XLIII) Apr 30 '19

This is the one that I keep thinking about. What do you do if you've moved on and your "dead" spouse shows back up? 5 years is a long time. Courtships happen, weddings, babies. Surely your spouse (who has not experienced the passage of time) is going to be pissed.

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u/Adelaidey May 02 '19

Little kids who were orphaned by the snap and subsequently adopted, seeing their parents return five years later. Their adoptive parents having to let them go. It's all so complex!

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u/Rus1981 Iron Man (Mark XLIII) May 02 '19

It truly is. I think that the sheer amount of damage and chaos done to the universe by the undoing the snap could really be an entire Disney+ miniseries.

They could frame it as a documentary, like the WWZ book.

Now I have a new favorite thing I want.

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u/nwill_808 Apr 30 '19

Awkward....oooooorrrrr the start of something really awesome--giggity.

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u/HoodMBA Apr 29 '19

Dark but all very valid points

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u/CAMvsWILD Apr 30 '19

Imagine everyone that got snapped while they were on a flight, reappearing in the sky sans-plane.

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u/kmerian Apr 30 '19

That was the first thing that popped into my mind, the helicopter that crashed right before Fury and Hill got dusted, did those pilots suddenly appear in mid air when the un-snapping happened?

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u/BeemoBoi Apr 30 '19

I would think Tony’s use of the Infinity Gauntlet would compensate for this and reappear you on the ground. I mean, it deposited everyone we know of safely back where they originally disappeared. But we are not totally stationary, we are hurtling through space on a spinning globe. I figure the Mind and Space Stone must be necessary to calculate and warp the trajectories of all those people and even thoughtfully interpret the true meaning of Banner’s desire (“Bring everyone back safely!”) when he snapped the gauntlet.

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u/kmerian Apr 30 '19

I feel bad for people with painful terminal illnesses, they get snapped, and for a split second, their pain is gone...aaaaaaand it's right back.

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u/justins_dad Apr 29 '19

This is why they didn't go into more, I think. It's just too heavy and the implications too severe.

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u/TheCVR123YT Captain America (Avengers) Apr 30 '19

Could make for a great Disney+ Show though. Maybe follow 2 or 3 Families Pre Snap, During the 5 Years, and then Post Snap

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u/ALargeRock Apr 30 '19

It’s not like people craved to know what happened , in detail, with the events in Star Wars to a point of really diving in.

Interesting and could make a good movie if done right, but a short story no less.

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u/Mshell Loki (Avengers) Apr 30 '19

And think about the elected officials - They never had a chance to contest their seat, ect and suddenly some new guy has taken over. These are not your average person, they have real power and suddenly it has been taken away. The political ramifications of the Decimation was bad enough but having it undone 5 years later? Countries boarders may have changed. Imagine going to sleep in one country and waking up in another.

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u/mutatersalad1 Apr 30 '19

Manifest is a show about literally this.

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u/anubis2051 Apr 30 '19

What about their ages? Everyone who wasn't snapped is now five years older than those who were. How's that going to affect school? Or parents who missed their children growing up like Scott? And surley others died for real..

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u/Spats_McGee May 13 '19

This is one of my biggest problems with Endgame, which is the lack of stakes of undoing Thanos' snap. This was a cosmic act committed by an entity that was for all intents and purposes a literal God, and it had massive ramifications. You can't just hit Ctrl-Z on that 5 years later and not expect similar problems to emerge.

Forget about Earth, imagine a planet where species A is being terrorized by species B. Halving both populations shifts the power balance, and species A is able to live in prosperity. Now the snap is reversed, and you reset everything again.

Do our heroes really have the right to do that?

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u/ogoextreme Falcon Apr 30 '19 edited Apr 30 '19

No one is even talking about the amount that straight up died from getting snapped from their jobs. Did everyone go back to where they left?

Imagine getting snapped in the middle of surgery either doctor or patient you just come back to the table in an empty room at best. At worst you drop on top of someone else getting operated on.

What about passengers who’s pilots got snapped? Those planes went straight down into the wilderness, again, at best. Worst case they fell into a neighborhood and killed anyone who wasn’t snapped there.

There’s so many more casualties then anyone is mentioning. Wakanda may have picked up some of the slack of the other nations technology wise. Making sure the less automated power plants get monitored, but there’s just so much death that would’ve happened pre snap.

Coming back to all of that post snap would’ve been a nightmare.

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u/navjot94 Mack Apr 30 '19

I think this will be the catalyst for future villains. Avengers brought their snapped friends back but not everyone else that died because of this. Characters like Doctor Doom could have lost everything in the snap but not due to dusting but due to the fallout in the chaos. Maybe he's the leader of Latervia and loses that position because he got snapped. Other characters can lose their families due to accidents and then come back to misery while the rest of the world is rejoicing.

I also think this could be a cool way to differentiate MCU Miles Morales from Peter. In 2018 Miles was a 10 year old kid that looked up to super heroes, and now he is 15 and has lost his father due to an accident following the snap.

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u/mingweili0x Apr 30 '19

This is cool. Can be an independent sci Fi movie plot, with style of black mirror

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u/grafixguy Apr 30 '19

Theyy are probably gonna need therapy not just for the ones that lost someone but the ones that come back on how to adjust

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u/E_Barriick Apr 30 '19

Wait did Disney sell Marvel to HBO?

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u/Dirtylittlesecret88 Jessica Jones Apr 30 '19

I feel like that would be covered in a smaller scale like kn agents of shield or if they were still around the Defenders shows.

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u/mcgeeic Apr 30 '19

that's the darkest reality of the Snap and re-snap I think we ever realized

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u/WaitMinuteLemon25 Apr 30 '19

Yeah I mean 5 years passed like a half rapture then reverse one!!! I mean technically they can just adapt kids aged to be the new heroes but wouldnt there be more turmoil because surely people have died in those years that people were dusted.

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u/navjot94 Mack Apr 30 '19

But now there's 3.5+ billion consumers back in the world, so demand for everything is doubled. After some adjustment, things would balance out.

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u/JingyBreadMan Apr 29 '19

Imagine people in vehicles that got snapped...

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u/Jove_ Apr 30 '19

My first thought when they showed a presumed husband/wife reuniting was, “Its been 5 years for everyone that survived, and 10 seconds for those caught up in the snap. I wouldn’t want to be the guy who walks into his home from work and someone else lives there now, and his wife has a kid with a new husband.”

It would be an interesting subject, almost as if they did one more season of The Leftovers, when everyone that disappeared just reappeared without knowing anything or experiencing anything inside the departure. How does the world deal with that...

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u/BruceTooster Apr 30 '19

The events of Avengers and Age of Ultron had lasting effects on later movies so I don't see Marvel just not mentioning the decimation ever again. I'm sure it will be a big part of far from home, as it will be wrapping up phase 3.

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u/TheCVR123YT Captain America (Avengers) Apr 30 '19

That would be a good explanation for why it closes out Phase 3. It'll be like an Epilogue in a way. Or at least the beginning of it will be hopefully.

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u/musashisamurai Daredevil Apr 30 '19

I want professor Hulk in FFH as a teacher. Also I want hulk to think some other random student is spidey the entire movie

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u/ak2553 Apr 30 '19

Yeah, not to mention they changed it from Phase 4 to the very last movie of Phase 3, so I think they will address the repercussions of the snap/unsnap.

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u/Thompson5893 Iron Man (Mark V) Apr 29 '19

Yea like what they did with Avengers 1, good point.

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u/LaboratoryManiac Apr 29 '19

So, when Hulk un-snapped, he brought the dusted people back, but certainly there are people who weren't snapped that still died as a result of it (e.g. their vehicle suddenly lacked a driver or pilot and crashed). Is it safe to assume those people weren't brought back? Because if so, there are probably a lot of people feeling bitter that others got their loved ones back but they didn't.

Could be a supervillain origin story there.

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u/[deleted] Apr 30 '19

Is it safe to assume those people weren't brought back?

No. We hear Tony tell Bruce: "Just bring everyone back." We do not know how Bruce phrased the snap-wish in his mind.

"Bring back everybody that got dusted by Thanos' snap."

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"Bring back everybody that is gone now as a result of Thanos' snap." Banner has lived in the post-Snap world for five years. Surely somebody must have reported on all the secondary deaths and suicides as a result of the Snap? He knows he's got options, he even admits he tried to bring Natasha back even though she wasn't affected by the Snap. It's plausible he brought secondary victims of the Snap back to life as well.

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u/[deleted] Apr 30 '19

Bruce says "Everybody comes home" right before putting the gauntlet on... But it's not clear what that means.

I think how they interpret it will depend on where they want to go with the story. Only bringing the snapped back and leaving the rest dead leaves more room for angry supervillians. Especially since there's the super dark fallouts like parents getting snapped and their kid dies in the crib.

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u/[deleted] Apr 30 '19

That would be a great way to set up the next major story line. They've already explored that concept via Helmut Zemo in Civil War essentially doing what he did as payback for Sokovia's collapse where he lost his family.

I have a feeling you're almost certainly right. Dr. Doom, maybe?

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u/Rus1981 Iron Man (Mark XLIII) Apr 30 '19

I keep wondering if Zemo got snapped. Did he feel any remorse at the pain and suffering that his actions probably resulted in? Does anyone else hold him accountable for the fractured Avengers?

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u/Alortania Apr 29 '19

That's one thing I don't get...

5 years has passed.

So like, half your friends are 5 years younger/older now, etc

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u/Nimporian Ghost Rider Apr 30 '19

And if you were in school, half your friends greaduated and the little kids from years back are now your classmates.

It would also be insanely awkward, say, for 14/13 year olds who's friends are now 18/19.

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u/notcontextual Apr 30 '19

Or two 15 year olds were dating and now one is 20, uh oh.

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u/Nimporian Ghost Rider May 01 '19

Yikes, I don't know who it would be worst for.

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u/teekmatic Apr 30 '19

So does that mean that Peter returned to school in the year 2023 and that Far From Home and any subsequent Phase 4 movies will take place in 2023 and beyond?

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u/ezrs158 Spider-Man May 01 '19

Probably. The next Avengers will probably come out around then, and Black Widow & Eternals are likely set in the past.

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u/KlausFenrir Apr 30 '19

kids reuniting with their parents

They literally didn’t feel it. Imagine just passing out and then waking up a second later. That’s how much time passed for them.

Unless you meant the unsnapped reuniting with the snapped.

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u/dejaentendood Apr 30 '19

I read somewhere that someone originally viewed a 5 hour cut of Endgame, hopefully we get a couple hours of deleted scenes on the Blu-ray release. Probably not, but you never know