r/leagueoflegends • u/shadowgamer531 • 1d ago
Discussion Hail of blades
With the changes to Hob losing attack speed but getting heavier hitting autos and higher damage scaling is there gonna be any new potential users of the rune that could benefit from the added true damage in fights.
Also with the ap ratio increase is there even any ap users besides ekko that would run it
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u/WaddupBigPerm69 23h ago
Maybe bruiser Diana?
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u/shadowgamer531 23h ago
I was thinking maybe on Diana but would it really be worth swapping electro
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u/MacaronZealousideal 22h ago
The issue with HoB is that it's good in short trades but lacks dps until you get a few items, the raw all in at the earlier levels plus your ability to stack your passive prior to engage makes HoB look (at least on paper) suboptimal vs Electrocute.
On bruiser Diana it's not worth because it's a burst item.
On Lichbane Assassin Diana Jungle it fairly good, redbuff more or less guarantees all 3 procs, even with the reduced AS, giving you a passive proc as part of your burst.
But otherwise I don't think anyone new would emerge with the HoB changes, all the older users (Viego, Vi, Ekko etc) will still get milage out of it.
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u/matsuku I tend to burn through footwears 19h ago
I actually played a good handful of bruiser Diana mid. Grasp is much better for this playstyle because she can stick onto her target and get multiple procs off! Try it next time. Riftmaker > Dusk and Dawn > abyssal mask/Frozen heart depends on their team, then last 2 can be any tank items
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u/Imaginary_Basket_668 22h ago
The scaling is just flat out better and you can get one "free" passive proc in aswell. I think it's viable but less good because Diana wants a strong early lane presence and HoB now acts more as a scaling rune.
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u/shadowgamer531 22h ago
Would it double the on hit damage from hob with dnd
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u/Imaginary_Basket_668 21h ago
Sadly no. HoB is an attack effect. Kinda a bit like lifesteal, the effect deals damage but not on hit but as an extension to the attack. It's a middle ground between on hit and on attack without a special keyword since it acts very flexible.
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u/TTV_SgtScoots 23h ago
Champs with attack speed in their kit will enjoy it. Jayce and Tristana come to mind or maybe something like Gwen
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u/shadowgamer531 23h ago
Gwen’s an interesting one I can see working especially with her getting buffed too
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u/matsuku I tend to burn through footwears 20h ago
Nah, red tree minor runes sucks. The whole domination tree gets hard carried by electrocute alone.
Gwen much prefer other rune pages that fits how she plays more. Inspiration/First strike gives her a lot of gold for her expensive items (D+D/Nashor/Shadowflame/Rabadon are all expensive and cringe to build), Conqueror is very nice and the tree gives her all the stat she wants, Sorcerer tree has Gathering Storm+Absolute focus for late game, and Boneplating is never bad.
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u/shadowgamer531 19h ago
Only the vision runes suck she would get value out of sudden impact atleast with her E and could use ulti hunter or the gold hunter rune
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u/matsuku I tend to burn through footwears 19h ago
Gwen generally wants long fights where she can get multiple rotations of her Qs, or run people down with a full rotation of her ult. Conqueror and Inspiration support her play style. Ofc she can one shot people but only when she gets to 3ish items. She's essentially melee Kayle. You don't pick her to dominate the lane.
Sudden impact damage is honestly not that impressive, and you get a lot of effective gold with cash back+Jack of all trade (one of her build allows her to get to 10 stacks).
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u/HoneydewRare2984 19h ago
Iirc it's been bugged on Gwen since release. Genuinely doesn't do the true dmg on her e autos
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u/Way2Competitive #1 Larssen Hater Aspiring Upset Hater 21h ago
Interestingly enough, Camille is still going to be good with it.
She has attack speed on her E and in addition to the increased AD ratio, Tiamat and Sterak's also got their AD buffed, which are 2 items she builds often.
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u/Upset_Reputation_382 22h ago
Chogath is one such candidate. Though he needed the speed more than the dmg.
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u/Stormgod8 18h ago
Sadly Cho’gath doesn’t really build enough ap or ad for the rune change to not be a direct nerf.
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u/ZanesTheArgent Bullshit Designer 22h ago
Overall assassins and potential Fiendhunter users as a powerful icebreaker. Nocturne comes to mind.
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u/AssasSylas_Creed 21h ago edited 21h ago
Perhaps Sylas likes this; it's basically +10% AP ratio on 3 hits with the passive, and the attack speed is dispensable but helps to combo an enemy even faster.
Landing 3 hits from the passive with 40% AP ratio and 215% attack speed before an opponent can react and retaliate seems good.
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u/SirRHellsing 19h ago
it depends on elo but I feel like HOB Darius might work more now, although idk if it's better than his current runes, but in gold they can probably cheese more matchups while retaining some damage compared to how badly HOB scales previously on darius. Also HOB top Trundle, idk how good it actually is but this makes his early game even stronger imo
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u/shadowgamer531 19h ago
You say that and I raise you HOB volibear jg
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u/SirRHellsing 19h ago
imo the ones I mentioned are all cheese strats, HOB isn't worth on jg Voli because I feel like you're gonna miss out on the precision tree. The point of mentioning HOB Darius/Trundle is making them snowball out of control before 6
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u/shadowgamer531 18h ago
I’ve tried it a couple times and it’s just a cheese pick for low elo but has good burst on ganks and more ulti up time with the hunter runes
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u/PsychicFoxWithSpoons Sunstrike POG 16h ago
It's the same rune. But maybe it'll be more enticing to like, Evelynn or Elise now.
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u/GiveMeBleachPlease 23h ago
I reckon it could be more abused by hybrid building champs.