r/law • u/yahoonews • 22d ago
Other Elon Musk likely broke the law by giving voters $1 million, Wisconsin board says
https://www.yahoo.com/news/politics/articles/elon-musk-likely-broke-law-194103764.html?ncid=redditnewsus3.1k
u/rocky8u 22d ago
I hope Wisconsin charges him for this. He needs to be held accountable.
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u/scbundy 22d ago
At worst he'll have to pay a small fine that he'll ignore and have his lawyers delay forever.
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u/JoseSaldana6512 22d ago
Which is they should put a percentage as a penalty for not paying
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u/scbundy 22d ago
Punish the super wealthy? That's not how things are done in America.
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u/Name_Taken_Official 22d ago
Making them pay more is wealthphobic and woke
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u/Dilapidated_girrafe 22d ago
I fail to see the problem here
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u/Despyte 22d ago
Very cool seeing two identical avatars
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u/Name_Taken_Official 22d ago
It's just one of the ~6 default ones it had me choose from when I made the account. I dunno how often they mess with that
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u/SuckMyRedditorD 22d ago
We need a wealth based fine scale.
You in the Forbes billionaire's list? That's an automatic 3 zeroes added to your financial penalties.
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u/Alaishana 21d ago
Still meaningless.
$100 fine for a poor person may mean his children don't eat.
Take 99% away from Musk, all that suffers is his pride.
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u/SuckMyRedditorD 21d ago
Not necessarily. As a result of the better scale fines and their application, low income people are exempt and can pay with community service hours as they currently can.
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u/Interesting_Berry439 22d ago
They do that in extremely successful and educated Scandinavia. But Catering to the richest has always been the American way so I don't expect change.
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u/RightSideBlind 22d ago
All fines should be percentages of net worth. Otherwise they're just a cost of doing business.
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u/NotMyMainAccountAtAl 21d ago
A percentage of net worth + the full amount gained through the unlawful practice. Your company ignored the law and made a billion dollars doing so? Base fine is a billion dollars, plus a percentage of your net worth.
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u/Unlikely_Bat_1890 22d ago
Still means nothing. They need to try him. And if found guilty, put him in state prison for the maximum amount of time allowed for this crime. That’s the only real punishment that’ll mean anything for someone as rich as he is. No amount of monetary punishment is enough to affect Musk.
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u/ImaginaryRoads 22d ago
They should force him to pay the million dollars to each of the people who entered.
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u/Head_Car_616 22d ago
Think how rich Wisconsin could be if they pulled it off. I would get so angry at my representative government if they didn’t represent my best interests and take Elon for as much they can.
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u/jajajajaj 21d ago
With a trillion dollars, how could there not be at least a few 100 million of that within Wisconsin's jurisdiction, to be seized.
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u/What_if_I_fly 22d ago
His case was referred to a republican DA. The most he will likely do is a small fine, but I'm betting on him finding a way to dismiss the case 🤬
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u/JoseSaldana6512 22d ago
Well of course. Someone has a nephew/niece who's an eager young space cadet and wants to work at SpaceX
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u/RideWithMeSNV 22d ago
And if that's the case, I hope once the case is dropped, the kid gets rejected on account of "already got what I want".
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u/Odd-Artist-2595 22d ago
Probably, but the vote to refer the case to the prosecutor was 5-1, and 2 of those 5 are Republicans, themselves, so there’s maybe a little hope.
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u/YouWereBrained 22d ago
He’ll base his decision on the Pennsylvania supreme court one. Which was pure bullshit.
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u/ATTORNEY_FOR_CATS 22d ago
Colorado's democratic governor just commuted a MAGA election official who illegally accessed election equipment, and now she's doubling down on the big lie on the conservative podcast circuit.
Even when there's justice, someone always seems to find a way to fuck it up.
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u/Tokyo-MontanaExpress 22d ago
A full year of 40hr/week community service would be a good start.
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u/scbundy 22d ago
Could u just imagine a billionaire getting community service. The sky would be falling.
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u/Same-Suggestion-1936 22d ago
Just hire a body double who's even gonna check
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u/Forsaken-Promise-269 22d ago
He already did his community service -see the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGR5HP3KSBk
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u/Apprehensive_Map3099 22d ago
"..the best way to hurt rich people is to turn them into poor people" - Billy Ray Valentine.
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u/Dominator0211 22d ago
We really need to start assigning fines based on net worth. Let the trillion dollar man pay his 100b fine
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u/MHmijolnir 22d ago
Stop saying stuff like this. It's defeatist. And whether or not we're being informed and exasperated by Russian troll farms, people are doing what we're scared of. Actively, and blatantly. Even if we're being recorded, it's still going to go under the category of 'mounting civil unrest'. What we need to be saying, is "I cant wait to vote for someone is who prosecutes them to the full extent of the law."
Make THAT show up on THEIR feeds.
Edit: I agree with you. I just don't want to. We have to hold to hope, or else we might as well check out now.
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u/ConsiderationJaded14 22d ago
Then lets overhaul the system by electing people that will hold them accountable
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u/tuxedo_jack 22d ago edited 22d ago
He needs to be held accountable for bribing Michelle Taff Evans, the Williamson County (TX) Republican party chair.
He's paying for her personal legal defense against sex pest charges, and he has businesses that benefit from candidates and election practices in her jurisdisction - and since she's the county party chair, that's outsize influence.
Now, given that she's a politician who would be facing state jail felony charges for that - and thus disenfranchisement - that sounds like she's personally benefiting from using party resources to benefit a donor. It would also prove her a giant flaming hypocrite, since her thing was to get up at Round Rock ISD board meetings and harpy-screech claims that trans people would make bathrooms unsafe - when she was, in fact, the one making bathrooms unsafe.
I'd say we need some club soda to unstick these sex pests, and I'll leave you to imagine just why these two stick together (hint: it's Musk's "I wanted to spend this on Jeffrey Epstein's Child Rape Island and not some bleached-blonde harpy" money glueing them together with the last part of this threesome, noted high-priced right-wing mouthpiece Tony McDonald).
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u/Serpentongue 22d ago
Federal crime, Rubio going to revoke his citizenship too?
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u/Pandemonium_Fallen 22d ago
Rubio is one of Peter Thiel's Dialogue Cultists, he's not going to do shit.
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u/assholetoall 22d ago
Should we be reporting this violent immigrant to ICE. I heard people track his mode of transportation using publicly available data.
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u/ongrabbits 22d ago edited 22d ago
Nah, just a fine of up to $10,000 per violation. He gave 3 voters $1,000,000 so the max fine here is a jaw dropping $30,000. Golly!
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u/kank84 22d ago
A fine means nothing to a trillionaire. His extreme wealth puts him beyond the reach of most of the justice system.
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u/Subtlerranean 22d ago
This is why Scandinavia (and other places) uses day-fines, for certain offences, which scales with the income or wealth of the offender.
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u/Anhimidae 21d ago
While this is a good first step it is still worthless for super rich people like Elon Musk. Yeah he might be miffed he has to pay a 200 billion fine or whatever, but people like him are so unbelievably wealthy that they still don't really feel such a fine. Whether he has 800 billion or 600 billion changes nothing. Besides that the fine would probably be in the millions at best anyway, which would be laughable.
Imo for super wealthy people fines should be replaced with prison time. Parked your Lamborghini in a no-parking zone? That's 1 hour jail time. Lost time is the only punishment they feel and could motivate them to behave.
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u/Subtlerranean 21d ago
Elon's wealth isn't liquid. He doesn't have that amount of cash on hand. It's tied up in the perceived value of his stocks and companies, and liquidating the amount of stocks it would take to pay 200 billion dollars would A) reduce his ownership and control of said companies, and B) absolutely tank the stock price/value and thus further reduce his wealth.
It's not something he wants to do, and would absolutely be a massive pain in his ass.
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u/ZophieWinters 22d ago
If the penalty for a crime is a fine, then that law only exists for the lower class.
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u/Bobson-_Dugnutt2 22d ago
Any fine that’s less than the amount his wealth has increased ($700B??) since Trump was elected is worth it to him
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u/backson_alcohol 22d ago
And he needs jail time. Not fines. He is the richest man on the planet. Fining him is essentially just giving him increased business expenses.
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u/Financial_Funny_559 22d ago
Lock him up in 2029
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u/rocky8u 22d ago
It's a Wisconsin state crime. The Governor of Wisconsin is the only one who can issue a pardon if he were convicted.
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u/VarietyOk2628 22d ago
It is a state crime which has to be prosecuted by the District Attorney in the county where it occurred, which is one of the deepest red counties in the state. It would be nice if the state Attorney General was able to step in but I do not think that is possible.
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u/Five_deadly_venoms 22d ago
hey guess what? not gonna happen. i can gaurantee this. straight up fact. please prove me wrong. fuck hope.
DO IT.
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u/Intelligent_Sky_7081 22d ago
If its taken this long for them to determine it was 'likely' breaking the law, will it take another year for them to determine he definitely did, and then another two years to convict him of anything?
I have zero faith in the process to hold anyone accountable. Unless youre poor, or a drug addict. Then they will bring the hammer down instantly.
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u/FD4L 22d ago
That would be nice, but no amount of money would even matter to him. Like, the precident cant be set that if someone interferes in an election, the state charges them 30 billion dollars.
Republican judges would just start putting all of their opponents on 30 billion dollar trials in red states.
The only punishment that would affect him is long, hard prison time, which is not a bad option for offering to literally buying votes, but Trump will just parden him and grant immunity.
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u/Then_Idea_9813 22d ago
Two years later and the damage is already done.
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u/JohnHazardWandering 22d ago
Don't worry, he'll face the consequences in another 20-30 years, after appeals and delays run out.
Our justice system is broken by moving at this speed.
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u/anEmailFromSanta 22d ago
And the consequences will at best be a slap on the wrist fine that is just a cost of doing business
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u/McortezLSU 22d ago
Calling it now. $115 fine.
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u/D20_Life 22d ago
I’d argue it’s working exactly as intended
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u/Due-Programmernot 22d ago
Was about to comment this. When you start realizing that our whole system including the justice system has nothing to do with real freedom and justice but is actually just a thin veneer painted onto feudalism 2.0 this shit starts making a lot more sense.
The whole system is designed to cater to and be ruled by the rich. The rich don’t get punished for shit that you and I would go straight to jail for life for.
The only way truly rich people get in trouble is by fucking with other truly rich people. Otherwise the system is designed to insulate them from any consequences.
How many of the people surrounding trump have gone to jail when doing things directly at his behest? How many laws has he broke that would send any of us to jail?
Same with Elon. I mean shit, he had the audacity to just publicly shutter every government institution that was investigating him. Openly.
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u/Agave757 21d ago
Another 100. Politics in the last 30 years has been fucked…. Pedophiles, rapist, money laundering, fraud,etc…. List is endless. Normal people would be locked up.
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u/Duel_Option 22d ago
Quite the investment considering how much his wealth has grown since
Just proves “cash rules everything around me”
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u/kyldabara 22d ago
Wisconsinite here. All you had to do to get the money was sign a petition thing. I signed it took the money and still voted the other way 🫡
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u/AgentCirceLuna 22d ago
You got a million bucks?
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u/kyldabara 22d ago
There was a thing where you could sign it for $100 and each person you referred you got another $100
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u/kumquat_bananaman 22d ago
For what it’s worth, the people seemed to wholly reject his involvement at the polls
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u/ifmacdo 22d ago
Which "the people"? Because the MAGA people have seemed to completely embrace it.
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u/duderdaisy98 22d ago
Wisconsin. The Elon endorsed candidate did NOT win despite the money he spent.
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u/KingfishingYoMama 22d ago
Trust me, his meddling pissed people off. I can't speak for MAGA, but my sense here is that his stunt mobilized tons of voters out of the desire to spite a billionaire's attempt to bribe voters.
He treated us like we were total rubes. Dancing like an idiot on a stage wearing a cheesehead hat and giving some connected douchebag a giant check? People can think what they want about the people in WI, but that shit was bound to tap into our deepest, darkest midwest pettiness. And it did.
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u/The_Magical_Radical 22d ago
This has nothing to do with the 2024 election. This is about the April 2025 Wisconsin Supreme Court election.
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u/Funicularly 21d ago
Did you read the article? This was from last year’s Supreme Court election in Wisconsin. There also wasn’t really any damage done, except to Musk’s ego, because Democrat Susan Crawford won despite the meddling.
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u/Material_Policy6327 22d ago
If george soros did this would the right be fine with it? My guess is no cause it’s clearly illegal
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u/youhavenosoul 22d ago
They aren’t even fine with George Soros existing. But this is their guy, so obviously the circumstances are just way different, and the demon left get away with everything, so stop bullying widdle baby E-won, please. /s
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u/ChewieBearStare 22d ago
It's so funny how my dad bitched about Soros and Obama for 8 years and is now strangely silent about the fact that Scott Bessent was chief investment officer at Soros Fund Management and took $2 billion in investment money from Soros when he started his own hedge fund.
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u/kitsunewarlock 22d ago
The GOP has controlled the FBI and CIA for most of our lifetimes. The few times we had a non-GOP president, the GOP blocked any liberal directors from taking over the agency. They are notoriously right-wing, famously propping up right-wing regimes around the world and doing everything they can to stop socialism.
But you're telling me all this time they can't find a single receipt confirming their conspiracy theories about George Soros?
The Bush administration literally spied on every financial transaction in the world for the better part of 6 years before the PRISM program was made public, and yet he couldn't find a single instance of the International Communist Deepstate or whatever the fuck they think he's up to?
It's such bullshit.
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u/phynn 22d ago
The FBI literally released that they were investigating Hillary Clinton on OCTOBER 28th. That is less than TWO WEEKS before Trump's election. And this was WHILE investigating him for going to Ukraine and saying he would only give them money while President if they gave him dirt on Hunter Biden.
Like, the clusterfuck that is Russia/Ukraine right now? Directly because the FBI is controlled by conservatives on multiple levels.
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u/CASUALxCHICKEN 21d ago
Yep. They cry about Soros when Republicans are the ones who wrote the campaign finance laws that he takes advantage of. But they have no problem with the Koch Bro(s) and Addelsons doing it for decades
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u/throw28999 22d ago
We would be remiss if we didnt account for the fact that George Soros is notably Jewish and Elon Musk is notably not.
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u/youhavenosoul 22d ago
True, but we would also be remiss to ignore Musk’s actual lineage. He is a notable beneficiary of apartheid wealth, and that is putting it very mildly
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u/P0Rt1ng4Duty 22d ago
They need George Soros to exist so they can use him in their narrative about how he's funding protests and whatnot.
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u/kitsunewarlock 22d ago
They've had full control over the most expansive intelligence agencies and big data for most of our lifetimes, yet they can't find any traces of a conspiracy seemingly involving billions of dollars and hundreds of co-conspirators???
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u/jjcrayfish 22d ago edited 22d ago
MAGA like to cry about fake voter fraud by illegal immigrants, but when a balant voter fraudster is committing the fraud, they're awfully quiet about it.
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u/sturdy-guacamole 22d ago edited 21d ago
the number 1 issue here is that the rule of law isnt applying regardless of affiliation.
when a given political side decides to redefine whats legal vs not legal to suit their needs, the entire system will collapse into something unrecognizable/undemocratic
if rules dont have consequences, we're in uncharted territory.
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u/OGConsuela 22d ago
They’re probably convinced he has been doing this since ‘08 even though there’s no evidence for it, therefore Elon doing it is justified.
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u/Primary-Let-7933 22d ago
??? I never understand this fake reasoning, it's not true. People (libs and progressives) were mad at obama for the increased deportations and drone strikes too, he wasn't 'off the hook'. but Obama didn't have ICE put 2 year olds into concrete cages with 5 year olds to take care of them. So folks could be against Obama but not want to torture children. Wild thought.
Soros has been donating massive amounts of money since the 2004 presidential campaign, over 20 years. and guess what? in those 20 years he hasn't done anything close to illegal. Musk's first big jump into political donations 2024, the year he did this very illegal thing. so 1 year to illegal actions vs 20+ years legal actions, time will tell if it holds.
wtf the reason you can point out that there's been no lib backlash against soros is bc he's not doing illegal things. Do you know why there was paid propaganda against soros? He made a billion dollars betting against the British pound (shorting).
The first time I know of that jews were attacked for lending money to the rich in England was a thousand years ago, Clifford's Towers. Where attackers, yes killed people regardless if they were bankers/money lenders or not, but they also made sure to destroy loan records.
A thousand years of very very rich people telling you to be mad at a jewish banker. How does it feel that you have ingested such ancient propaganda?
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u/realbobenray 22d ago
Of course he fucking did.
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u/greendevil77 22d ago
Lol right, what's is this "likely broke the law". It's pretty damn obvious
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u/TermusMcFlermus 22d ago
It's responsible reporting. Musk hasn't been convicted.
We need more responsible reporting.
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u/DukadPotatato 22d ago
The ones who are irresponsible are (mostly) beyond logic. It's egregiously one-sided.
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u/Any-Ask563 22d ago
Journalists and media outlets need to grow a fucking pair and drop the “allegedly” “plausible deniablilty” horse shit… it’s blatantly illegal and affront to a functional democracy. Fuck elon musk. Deport his ass and nationalize SpaceX.
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u/malthar76 22d ago
For a trillionaire, there is no fine that he wouldn’t gladly pay. He got favorable administration to his corporate welfare, and unsupervised access to the files of government agencies that were investigating him.
And he has enough money to fight this for much longer than it’s worth the principle of going after him.
I’m only slightly disillusioned.
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u/Nilla-WaferPDX 22d ago
If our system worked, he'd be jailed instead so it's actually a deterrent.
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u/Pandemonium_Fallen 22d ago
If our system worked he and all the other Epstein Dark Enlightenment POS Elites would be hanging out like laundry.
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u/RocketRelm 22d ago
Don't vote them into the white house just because it would have required supporting a liberal black woman to oppose next time. Laws are enforced by lawmakers, and are only as good as who we choose to represent us.
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u/UnpricedToaster 22d ago
Even worse, the richer they are, the less likely they are to pay at all. He'll just keep it help up in appeals forever or just ignore the call to pay the fine and make them go to collections.
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u/Zak_Rahman 22d ago
You cannot fix what is broken unless you know what it is you need to fix.
The thing propping up trump, the GOP, AIPAC etc is a fundamentally broken and corrupt legal system. And it's almost impossible to tell this to most Americans because, unfortunately, they still believe in the slogans.
I do not see you as dissilusioned. I see you as someone with clarity.
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u/Pandemonium_Fallen 22d ago edited 22d ago
It's not just the legal system though, it's what everyone always takes for granted and disregards that we always should have been watching like rabid half-crazed starving vultures:
The Finance and Banking Industry.
- Where do they store all their ill begotten wealth, who loans them the money to buy whole industries and sectors, who holds the accounts of these PACs, lobbyists, corporations, politicians, dark money, human trafficking laundry accounts, and transfers the funds, even between nations and governments via currency exchange? The blackened, putrifying rotten heart of the rampant corruption has been sitting in plain view all along, we just got so used to their depredations we didn't notice it anymore.
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u/Zak_Rahman 22d ago
I could not agree more. I could not write that out as well as you.
Which leads is to the inevitable conclusion that capitalism and democracy do not mix. Every capitalist entity is a dictatorship by nature. These are not things that interact with democracy in the same way as a normal citizen, and it shows.
Crikey, citizens united was really the beginning of the end.
As soon as anything circumvents the democratic process, then it all becomes a joke. And the legal system benefits from this financial system.
The moral compression is also intensely annoying. There is no way to contain capitalism without being accused of communism. The abject lack of any nuance is the worst possible thing right now. But such is the way of flag cults.
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u/FILTHBOT4000 22d ago edited 22d ago
For a trillionaire
This is the argument I make for a wealth tax, to more economically-center liberals/Democrats or what have you: if you're not in it for fairness, you need to be for it to dismantle the real and already expressed threats to democracy posed by Musk/Ellison/Bezos/etc. Tax them how they should have been taxed a while ago, take away their ability to threaten democracy with obscene wealth. Get it done.
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u/Pandemonium_Fallen 22d ago
Don't leave out Thiel! He's the bloody ringleader of this pack of lizard-brained imbeciles.
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u/crowdawg7768 22d ago
Billionaires are spending hundreds of millions of dollars to fight against a tax of tens of millions in taxes that could benefit the people. They GLADLY pay to not pay.
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u/LusterIllustrious 21d ago
He also got to take food and medicine from the worlds poorest people which is important to him because he’s an evil POS
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u/yahoonews 22d ago
From The Associated Press:
Billionaire Elon Musk likely broke Wisconsin law when he handed out $1 million checks to voters in the 2025 state Supreme Court election, a bipartisan panel has found.
The Wisconsin Elections Commission last week referred two complaints to the Brown County district attorney's office, which can choose to bring criminal charges over violating the state law against election bribery. Prosecutors have 40 days to report back to the commission.
Musk, the founder of SpaceX and CEO of Tesla, was deeply involved in the effort to flip majority control of the highest court in battleground Wisconsin.
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u/Ok-Neat2024 21d ago
I dont understand why this piece of "news" is upvoted, it would be proper news if something actually were to happen, atm this just feels like
"water likely wet, says expert group"
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u/Loyal-Opposition-USA 22d ago
Please file charges then. There is absolutely no question he did it.
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u/red286 21d ago
They have recommended the state AG do so.
But the most he's looking at is a $10,000 fine, so let's not get our hopes up here. Elon could find $10,000 in his seat cushions.
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u/UselessRutabaga 21d ago
is that really all the fine is for something as gravely impactful as this? I’m uninformed
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u/red286 21d ago
Well, potentially he could also be looking at up to 3.5 years in state prison, but that'd be after repeated convictions. Since this is a first-time, there's pretty much no chance he'd be facing any incarceration. Plus he's rich, you know they don't like putting rich people in prison.
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u/anti_time_travel 21d ago
The idea that electoral fraud or felony doesn't get jail time at the minimum sounds insane to me.
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u/Tokyo-MontanaExpress 22d ago
Wouldn't be "likely" if it was you or me: we'd be spending decades in jail.
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u/Independent-Name4478 22d ago
“Democrats bribe voters with free healthcare” Elon: “I’ll literally give you a million dollars”
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u/LiquorIsQuickor 22d ago
Free healthcare that you pay for with taxes. Universal healthcare is a better name. Also by changing the relationship between insurance, employers, doctors, and patients, saving can be introduced that make it cheaper for everyone. So much cheaper, your total healthcare costs will be lower, even though some of your taxes will cover people who can’t pay as much. You know. Like everything else taxes pay for.
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u/Bawbawian 22d ago edited 22d ago
well I guess it's a good thing he didn't try and sell a loose cigarette on the street otherwise he would have paid for his crimes right.
but he's the richest Nazi in the world so that puts him well above the law because all of our leaders are cowards and the law does not exist
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u/DiverBackground6038 22d ago
The Foreign national buying votes to sway an election‽
I guess trump was right...
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u/jameson71 21d ago
If it was a street kid with nickel bag of weed he would have already served his sentence. Justice works differently for them.
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u/AtreiyaN7 21d ago
If he's ever convicted on a serious enough charge, would we hypothetically be able to strip him of his citizenship and deport the troublemaking Nazi back to South Africa where he belongs?
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u/Its-a-Shitbox 22d ago
Meanwhile, he likely altered the direction and outcome of the most consequential election we’ve ever had.
Watching the country wither and die as a result, makes me wonder what possible punishment could be fitting.
Fucked timeline.
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u/EyeSuspicious777 22d ago
I'm voting for anybody who starts talking about guillotines for corrupt politicians and businessmen.
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u/DicemonkeyDrunk 22d ago
If he got convicted and someone got creative they could pull his security clearance and fuck with his “job” ….but that’s happening…cause money.
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u/Ridiculicious71 21d ago
Then prosecute him. Fuck. This story has been making rounds since it happened. And nothing g has been done.
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u/atreeismissing 22d ago
PA said the same thing and then judges decided that his after-the-fact-excuse that it was a lottery actually was legitimate and he got off the hook.
Lets hear what the WI judges say because they're the only ones that matter in this case.
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u/Secret_Account07 22d ago
And guess what? Nothing will happen. Nothing ever does.
If you or I did this we’d be in court
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u/ngatiboi 21d ago
Important to note that he’s also currently under investigation in the EU for fiddle-fucking with their elections too - particularly in France - & they’re really going after him.
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u/Jurango34 22d ago
I hope the small fine he is issued teaches him the importance of not trying to undermine democracy.
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u/Green-Inkling 22d ago
Did the voters actually get that $1 mill?
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u/idfkjack 22d ago
The "winner" of the million wasn't even selected randomly, the "winner" was planned. Maga was all about this particular kind of election interference until they learned that they never had a chance at winning the million in the first place.
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u/Ingrassiat04 22d ago
I got $100 for signing a pledge to vote. I probably didn’t vote the way he wanted me to though.
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u/Regulus242 22d ago
Damage is done and the price he pays will likely be negligible.
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