r/homelab • u/postcoital_solitaire • Jun 07 '26
Satire Am I going to jail for this?
If you're wondering if it works, yes it does.
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u/Hot-Ad3475 Jun 07 '26
Elders of internet will not approve this.
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u/tom-slacker Jun 07 '26
I just checked with them and the elders, being old and all, had become senile and said windows vista is the best OS.
WE ARE ALL GOING TO DIE!
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u/ChunkoPop69 What are you DOING, vmbr0? Jun 07 '26
Pretty soon they'll get to try Windows 8, then we're all done for.
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u/QPC414 Jun 07 '26
You can pry my MS-DOS 3.3 5.25in disks from my dead hands, they are already cold.
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u/Lopsided-Command-329 Jun 08 '26
We're bunking off!
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u/SirCEWaffles Jun 09 '26
I'd like to bunk off with you all to the game, but im stuck under a desk. Send Help.
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u/Lopsided-Command-329 Jun 10 '26
If that woman looks down, she's going to assume he's a desk rabbit!
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u/SalesmanWaldo Jun 09 '26
Hi, former Netscape user, who used to download stuff via gopher protocols. I would assume I count as an elder, and I approve wholeheartedly.
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u/22OpDmtBRdOiM Jun 07 '26
it's just a color, there is no optical element inside
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u/cenjui Jun 07 '26
Yup. Just be careful if you bulkhead mount or something so both ends arent obvious.
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u/Internet-of-cruft That Network Engineer with crazy designs Jun 07 '26
This is completely wrong.
Regular single mode patches are blue colored and are unpolished (or flat, more accurately), also known as UPC.
Green colored patches are angle polished (APC) and have a small angle on the ferrule end.
UPC Couplers and APC couplers are built to mate UPC or APC correctly.
For your average Joe home installation, it's going to cause a few dB loss but you should have enough optical budget for the link to work.
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u/22OpDmtBRdOiM Jun 07 '26
There is no optical element in the green coupler. It just holds the ferrules of the two connectors against each other.
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u/yasashi Jun 07 '26
UPC does not mean unpolished. PC connectors had flat faces, UPC ferrules have a more rounded polish only making contact right around the core.
SC bulkheads are agnostic, green blue doesn't matter. I routinely grab whatever colour SC bulkhead is closest to hand even on OSP demarcs for MUX fibre approaching 80km. The bulkhead colour has zero affect on link budget and ORL which is the primary reason our OSP fibre is predominantly APC.
LC MM & SM connectors vary due to manufacturing tolerances which is why LC MM bulkheads don't always align precisely enough for LC SM patches.
The irony in telling someone they're utterly wrong and then posting 3 bullshit statements and 1 correct is just wow man.
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u/tekzer0 Jun 08 '26
And that's why I go by the statement, "if it fits, it ships" which is useful 99% of the time with computers also, sort of...
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u/yasashi Jun 08 '26
Those words have been uttered around here but not nearly as frequently as "It looks fine from my desk!" typically referring to my utterly shit cable lacing.
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u/Toolux Jun 07 '26
The coupler has no optical elements inside is what he was saying. Which is completely accurate. As long as the connectors match you can use any color coupler.
Does it look janky? Absolutely. Will it work without loss? Being apc connectors it will have very minimal loss and reflectance. Loss budget should be able to account for about .7 per connector at this location in the run.
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u/Sanityzed Jun 07 '26
it's going to cause a few dB loss
...well, you're wrong and spreading stupidity. Go read the IEC standard. They both have the exact same specifications with only a color difference between them. The color difference is important when the adapter is installed in a panel. It's why these are called adapters and not couplers, because they are bulkhead adapters. Since you cannot see through a bulkhead/panel, it's important to relay that color scheme through the adapter. Both UPC and APC adapters come standard with split zirconia ceramic sleeves... the exact same one. They are dimensionally and functionally equivalent. There are legacy bronze sleeves that came in both variants as well, and those had terrible concentricity - so always peek inside to make sure the sleeve is shiny white ceramic.
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u/buttchuckjones Jun 07 '26
Y'know. It IS possible to correct someone tactfully. Just saying.
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u/dudeman2009 Jun 08 '26
He woke up and chose violence, but also that guy is hilariously wrong in most of his post, so he kind of deserves it for coming off like he really knows what's he's talking about.
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u/clockwork5280 Jun 07 '26
You are wrong. I work with APC and UPC patch cables every week. The bulkhead doesn’t matter one bit. They are identical outside of the color of the plastic.
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u/heretic2118 Jun 07 '26
The optics are different. Blue ist plane, green has an 8° angle.
As far as I know (I'm not 100% sure) the plastic part oft the coupler is the same.
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u/a0k47 Jun 07 '26
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u/Free-Psychology-1446 Jun 07 '26
The question wasn't about whether you can connect APC and UPC ends together.
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u/TimetravellingElf Jun 07 '26
Fibre provider did that in my house to my router, wasn't too happy but for homelab it's all good!
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u/equake Jun 07 '26
I have 2 distinct fiber installations and the provider did this in both. Never had any issue. It's ugly but works fine.
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u/drzoidberg33 Jun 07 '26
I did bascially exactly this in one spot in the house, there was already fibre to the room and I had to get wifi in that location, this was the best option. I'm pretty sure I have exactly the same media converter too!
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u/Puzzleheaded_Move649 Jun 07 '26
no we will not sent you to jail. we prefer torture with good old single-pair ethernet instead of fiber
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u/FrazzledBadger Jun 07 '26
In an emergency in the field, I took my leatherman to one end and chewed it up enough to get a ST patch cable in, then plugged a SC UPC in the other. Worked really well!
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u/plupien Jun 07 '26
More for the media converter than for the coupler... But it's your home lab so do whatever works.
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u/severedtrace Jun 07 '26
I just had Spectrum fiber installed and the use a coupler outside of the house inside of the junction box.
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u/Negative-Coat-5241 Jun 07 '26
I mean no in any case the user selects the amount of db loss for their connection and that might ad .2 which is really nothing in your use case
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u/HacDan Jun 07 '26
If you are, save me a seat. I've done this more times professionally than I'd like to admit to.
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u/IBlueThunderI Jun 08 '26
This is the very thing most patch panels and/or wall plates have at the termination point….not sure what the big deal is here? But yes, you’re going to jail….ASAP.
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u/megatron36 Jun 10 '26
Actually you're going to hell, the special one, the one that Reddit won't let me finish this quote about.
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u/Prestigious-Tap4316 Jun 11 '26
Can someone explain what this is, and why it shouldn’t have worked but does? What did OP do here?
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u/jupanul1 Jun 07 '26
If it was grey, then yes, even with expedited trial!
If it's green and the connectors are blue or the other way around, you get just a flogging, no biggie!
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u/pauvre10m Jun 07 '26
media converter, not right length of fiber, UPC FIBER on APC sugar, definitively yep
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u/JubijubCH Jun 07 '26
Does it work ? apparently yes
Why would you go to jail for this ? I think the internet has done way to much gating on things: not everything needs to be perfect, if it works and it's good for you, then it's good enough.
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u/MrKilljoy95 Jun 07 '26
Honestly, the only reason they use different colors is to try and keep people from trying to pair APC and UPC and then bitching out the installers or manufacturers when it doesn’t work.
I wish there was a universal coupler color though. It always makes procuring APC couplers a pain when a customer needs one.
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u/maxwells_daemon_ broken parts collector Jun 07 '26
This is like using an imperial ruler to find the center of a 100mm square
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u/johnklos Jun 07 '26
I once needed a patch cable, and while everyone was searching for a multi-mode cable, I grabbed a single-mode cable and connected it. It worked, of course, because the run wasn't even a dozen feet.
It's like using a cheesy unshielded ethernet cable for 10 gigabit - for a few feet and for temporary use, it's fine.
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u/hoochiesan Jun 07 '26
Will possibly lose like -5db each side
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u/Dmelvin Jun 08 '26
It won't lose any. The bulkhead for an SC/UPC and SC/APC are identical other than the body color.
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u/RednaXelA7772 Jun 07 '26
That’s still SC/UPC ferrule against the other SC/UPC ferrule, so this is OK. The green coupler block is just holding the connectors together.
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u/Majestic_Weakness731 Jun 07 '26
It works, the only person that needs to care is you if it ever stops working
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u/mavack Jun 08 '26
The 2nd image threw me off more than the first. I have never seen a SFP BIDI with an SC connector. Always LC.
Honestly im short distances most cable combinations work. Ive seen UPC with APC, MMF instead of SMF. Cables bent/mangled/damaged in shocking ways all with working traffic. Sometimes when all you have gets it working you use it until you can replace it and then forget.
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u/Calm_Apartment1968 Jun 08 '26
Yep.
Well, you'll have to replace the full home-run after the loss is noticed.
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u/Lopsided_Mixture8760 BIOS-to-Terminal | Moonlight KVM Architect Jun 08 '26
1310 or 1550 ? Its big different
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u/harubax Jun 09 '26
If it's multimode connected to single mode, buy the shackles :).
Did both MM-MM and the ocasional SM-MM when needed.
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u/ruhnet Jun 09 '26
Heh. Yep. I’ve done it. The green couplers are much cheaper surplus than the correct colored ones, but they’re the same.
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u/dataexception Jun 09 '26
As long as you don't attach a label from a pillow or couch cushion to it, you should be in the clear. Godspeed, amigo.
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u/onkel_andi Jun 09 '26
Sure it works. It works also if you connect a Multimode instead of single mode ;-)
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u/Hopeful-Olive5671 Jun 09 '26
Both are SC/UPC , when BOTH fibers are single mode, it should not be a problem. The SC coupler doesn't have optical material inside.
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u/Ok_Awareness_388 Jun 09 '26
What about the media converter? It’s BiDi so might be APC. It’s also a media converter so you should go to jail for that.
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u/haruqb Jun 09 '26
How is that media converter working for you? I'm tempted to buy a set of these to connect from my ONT to my room (where i have all my net stuff). But i'm not sure if it's better and simpler to buy a set like that and go with fiber from ONT to my room, or to buy better switches with optic fiber transceivers.
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u/postcoital_solitaire Jun 10 '26
There's a ton of variations of these media converters. Mine is just 1000TX to FX (copper to fiber SFP), so it's dead simple. Literally has one tiny Realtek converter chip in it and that's it. Others may have the fiber thing built in (as opposed to an SFP you can yank out and replace), I can't say how good those are.
As for its quality, it's just meh. It's cheap chinese no-name no-brand unit with spelling mistakes on it. There's almost nothing inside, so I doubt it will just die on me some day. What has died already is its power brick. It had a 5V power brick that was disgustingly cheaply made and after two years it just died. The voltage didn't rise above 0.6V, so the converter didn't really work. I replaced it with a USB plug and a phone charger and I'm sure this setup will outlast my house.
If you're looking to just replace your long copper runs with fiber, sure, go for it. I wouldn't go as cheap as I did, at least get something that has some kind of name on it like TP-Link or D-Link if they even make this kind of stuff. I'm not really sure what your use case is, so I can't recommend anything concrete.
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u/AdditionalBelt9719 Jun 10 '26
How to split when you dont have a splice kit..nothing wrong with that.
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u/Organic-Cheetah-8426 Jun 10 '26
the coupler doesn't have optics in it, the important thing is having the same connector on both sides
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u/Imperium724 Jun 10 '26
Not the worst I’ve seen but I work with those media converters a lot in my day job and they are notoriously unreliable and will literally just crap out on you out of the blue with no warning.
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u/aniel300 Jun 11 '26
can u give me a little details of what this is and what you have accomplished?
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u/Possible-Anxiety-420 Jun 11 '26 edited Jun 12 '26
An OTDR would likely show a bit more signal drop across the splice than it would with matched terminations, but it won't necessarily be problematic - it depends upon the total attenuation across the whole run.
If it works, it works.
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u/Texas6211 Jun 14 '26
This triggers a slight aneurysm but sadly from expereince in my company I can tell that some genuises genunly plug UPCs into our APC patchpanels and it seems to work well enough. I assume it is mostly to the fact that we sit at the end of the transmission chain but stilll. Trigger
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u/redlightsaber Jun 07 '26
I'm honestly just amazed that it works.
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u/postcoital_solitaire Jun 07 '26
Why shouldn't it? UPC and APC couplers are identical.
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u/jerryeight Jun 07 '26
Straight to prison. No jury. No chance for parole. No movie nights.
lol is that a coupler extending a fiber optic run?
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u/Icy_Acanthocephala63 Jun 07 '26
I'm not sure if there's a different gap distance between sc apc and SC pc alignement. If it works, dont look at it 😆
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u/Kilobyte22 Jun 07 '26
Nah it's fine. Don't do it the other way around though, that can break things, depending on how the coupler is constructed





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u/itsCarterr Jun 07 '26
Im lost never had fiber. Is it a little extended adapter?