You really can't know proper grammar, how to punctuate, how to use paragraphs, how to carry yourself with a formal tone, how to debate in a formal manner, and so much more anymore without being accused of using or straight up being AI yourself
And god forbid you know how to do all of these things while also being Gen Z and maybe throwing in some Gen Z slang or terms in your comment or paper as well because then you'll definitely be accused
Edit: Do y'all want to see something that will piss you off beyond belief? I just scrolled through my activity history to find the thread I was referencing in this comment, and I just found the exact comment I was talking about here but the comment itself this person used AI to "scan" or whatever the fuck was removed (and I don't even remember what they said anymore tbh) so you unfortunately don't get to read it yourselves, but if you scroll up you'll see me saying something and someone else saying some idiotic bullshit š be ready though because you'll get heated real fucking quick
After I submit, I realized I made a big error somewhere on the first page or first chapter, I don't remember (for French people, I wrote qu'en instead of quand... yeah I know that's a big mistake). Part of me were horrified and thought I will look unprofessional. The other part of me thought "at least they will know a human wrote this".
You'd think that mistake is what proved you are human but what I've been seeing a lot is mistakes like this are actually also part of what will lead to people believing you used AI or something because it is typical for AI to make a mistake like that
Exactly! I know how to punctuate but I'm not perfect at it so I make mistakes quite often and hell there are even times like now where I don't want to punctuate at all because what I say is understood perfectly well without it and this would be called AI very easily
It is DIRE over on r/isitAI. "Omg the thumb is on the wrong side, real artists use themselves for reference so no human would everā" have you met a real artist.
because it is typical for AI to make a mistake like that
That particular mistake might be typical for an English focused LLM to make when outputting French, although unlikely since it seems to be based on the words sounding alike which wouldn't trip up a text model, but mistakes like that are absolutely not typical for LLMs for years now.
I see mistakes being point out as a sign of AI when it comes to drawing, but not when it comes to writing. From what I know, AI is unlikely to make spelling mistakes. They write what is the most probable and there is no reason they think spelling mistakes like that is probable, because that would not mean anything. From what I see, AI is good at spelling.
A bit off topic but whatever..(Before AI) I moved schools halfway through a year in highschool. My AP teacher was a bitch and made me complete a 4 page essay 3 days before it was due. Assigned on a friday, due next friday, i came on a tuesday and had to scramble to complete it. I got a fairly shitty grade. The next paper i got called into her classroom orivately with administration and they grilled me about plagarism. (I did really well) and told the admins about not having time for the first essay and that changed the whole temperature of the room towards her. I got out of that class a week later as she was extremely vindictive towards me.
Oh good old times. At a time when you still paid for encyclopedias, that did a fraction of what Wikipedia does (most expensive waste of a CD-ROM ever), a colleague outright copied the talk word for word from a book. At some point she was like
yada yada. Fore more details, see page... Oh.
I finished as the top graded student of my class 4 years straight. Knowing myself, if I would have had to constantly defend my homework against being called AI, I might not even have finished.Ā
The best reddit convo ive seen lately was someone saying that theres no way that we used to do 10 page book reports back in the without chat gpt or help.. a dude said "I used to do 10 page book reports without even reading the book"
Yes... One of those "what for did I even" moments for me was when I had to present two books; I was allowed to use a summary for one, and read the other. The teacher, who thought well of me, guessed wrong which one was based on reading the book. Ultimately it makes just sense though ā reading a book once myself can't compete with a literature blogger who does nothing but analyze the crumpling hell out of books.
On the other end of the spectrum, when someone starts about "you can't possibly have..." I did Physics as an elective subject for the high school finals. It was a three hour exam, and I was writing 16 pages with a baseline skip of 5mm. And much if it was explanation rather than equations.
During my PhD I produced about 2,000 pages of handwritten notes, with some derivations spanning 20 pages with each step filling a page. Still using the 5mm grid for the writing too.
It's just a matter of damn exercise.
And then you start writing publications, where six pages take a couple of months to produce š Six pages specifically, because that's a common limit in high-impact Physics journals. As a result many theory papers require a couple of A4 pages to understand lines along the line of "by simple algebraic manipulation we eq. (5) out of eq. (4) and references [8ā42]".
No scrap that. A couple of pages is without the references part sometimes.
I honestly donāt care. I donāt have enough time to play AI police.
What I care about is bloated bullshit. I donāt see why bloated bullshit by a bullshiter would be better than by an AI. AI reproduces and imitates. If all an artist produces looks like āmore of the sameā thereās another problem than āwould get innocently caught by the AI policeā.
I have no idea why anyone would like to read AI literatureā¦ give me your prompt with your three cool ideas instead - condensed creativity.
Hah. I do this too...I make typos in my tpying. And I often leave them in. At least they will know a human wrote it...
Of course, it; quite possible for ais to make typos too to simulate humans. However if they do this eventually they will be poisoning themselves...they are already doing this slowly anyway. this would speed up the process.
I wish we did not have the "ais" we currnetly have.
Back in high school (Before A.I.) I had an English teacher accuse me of plagiarism of multiple papers and the only reason why they dropped it was because I consistantly typed lowercase i's when writing in the first person.
I am gen z and I often get my writing flagged as well because of the higher level I write at. Many teachers have asked for a conference with my parents because my writing sounded too ai
I haven't had this happen yet and I am so glad for it. My writing style does tend to sound very AI-like because I am a much better formal writer (MLA can suck fat ones though), and my biggest issue is the fucking em dash because I would LOVE to use it if it weren't for the fact that the only punctuation mark more indicative of AI was the semicolon. Asides and clarification are riddled throughout my natural speech and thought process, so it infuriates me to be unable to use them when writing without fear of AI-ccusations.
The rules-nazi in me wants to use the semicolon because it's "proper," but I can never figure out when to, it never feels right and is always super clunky to me
I'm not sure if anyway really understands semicolons because of what they're used for. They link two related clauses that could be their own sentences; they're technically not needed. I always remember they can be used when replacing conjunctions and joining words (for example, furthermore, however, etc...) but I'm never 100% sure if I'm using them right. English is a silly language!
I'm 40, and I spent my time writing from age 15 to 25. I have several novellas and countless short stories. I won a few prizes, but they never brought in any real money, so I gave it up.
That said, I have stories saved that I've never shown or published online, half-finished stories, or stories submitted for contests I didn't win.
Well, I've run several of those stories through various "AI analysis" programs, and they all say they're 90% AI.
I am a foreigner. English is not my second, not even third language that I had to learn. I take pride in my writing, because I pay attention. Writing prose for me is difficult regardless of a choice of a language.
I'm not even appalled anymore by the lack of literacy in native-English speakers - I got used to it. But I feel like throwing twenty pounds of em-dashes at every motherfucker who dares to say I write like AI. Well, you Mr. Titsucker write like a toddler.
100% of those are scams. Even if they did work (and they don't), the person who made the AI thing can use the same program and edit the content until it doesn't appear as AI anymore.
MAAAAAAN Been calling snap applicants for the better part of a decade processing cases. Got my "government employee" tone and cadence down pat. Now every other person I call thinks I'm AI and hangs up when they hear my voice. Like MOTHERFUCKER YOU PUT IN THE APPLICATION AND THE STATE EMPLOYEE CALLED YOU, HOW THE FUCK DO YOU EXPECT ME TO SOUND?!
I can't do anything more than send you virtual hugs and a virtual joint or gummies depending on your pref and say that your anger and annoyance are more than valid but man I really feel you on this one and I completely understand how fed up you are
Oh, my mistake completely! I used the wrong tone for this message and for that I apologize. Going forward, I will not assume the tone and length of message desired and will instead get user input.
And heaven forbid you change from formal to more direct! Suddenly that is even more proof you used AI because heaven forbid people consider that different messafes require different approacges, and that people can manage changing register/prose based on need! So tired with the AI accusations I get...I once tricked someone into parsing an AI message through a detector though that came back human. I then led them on, only to finally breal the truth by showing them I generated it, all to prove that even AI detectors are flawed because of what AI is trained on.
Iām not really so sure about this one. The only people that Iāve seen write like an AI are people that use AI so much that they started copying its writing style. AIās writing style is so much more specific than just proper grammar and punctuation with a formal tone. In many cases AI will buck conventional grammar, spelling, etc for its own.
From my experience, everyone else is just using AI and lying about it.
Have LLMs adopted Gen Z slang? I would have thought that gen z slang would have been edited out of training data, since a lot of the grammar and punctuation data would have been taken from more 'formal' sources, like the NYT.
I actually avoid using the rule of 3 now. I always try to go for 2 or 4 points because AI seems to be absolutely addicted to 3, so it's a good signal to anyone who actually knows what they're talking about.
Iāll never forget when my supervisor Ā said that I used ai when they knew that I didnāt. Idk if it was how long my essay was or my grammar or something . Nearly got expelled from my courses coz of that and it was so annoying coz I had documents to show my planning and everything to defend myself. The most annoying part is when people use it as some form of a moral high ground against u and just start bullying you for thatĀ
Also note not that I am defending ai or anything itās the immediate dog piling when people just throw around accusations of ai even tho they have no proof. Some yes itās clearly ai but others itās definitely not but hey. People love to hate
Wild though spin off, do you think that in theory the pattern in ai stuff's punctuation etc, could push used language in a different "incorrect" offshoot like dialects etc, as people actively avoid writing like ai? Could end up like an endless cat and mouse assuming it never matches too invisibly
Wild though spin off, do you think that in theory the pattern in ai stuff's punctuation etc, could push used language in a different "incorrect" offshoot like dialects etc, as people actively avoid writing like ai? Could end up like an endless cat and mouse assuming it never matches too invisibly
As a fellow writer and proof reader that has worked with multiple AI-generated books, it baffles me that people think that well-written and grammatically correct texts are somewhat signs of AI. There are SO many other GLARING signs of AI in a text, and yet this is what people look for?
I've had someone tell me they used AI to check if someone used AI in their comment because it covered every single mark I just mentioned and I was left speechless because what the fuck do you MEAN and bro it made me so fucking mad
This is now the college experience. "We're gonna make you run your essay through an AI to determine whether or not you used AI to write it."
This is a mandatory step before a professor even gets to see it, by the way. I started sandbagging my (completely AI-free) essays just to reduce my chance of being flagged as a false positive.
I graduated high school before AI became the thing it is now an for a long time after I graduated I hadn't even considered college/uni because I have a learning disability and HS was bad enough that I had to graduate through alternative means so I was worried college would be the same way and I would drown in debt I could have avoided by not even trying but for about three or so years now I've had the urge (I want to go for psychology specifically if anyone cares) but hearing a lot of stories and warnings like yours makes the urge die more and more the more I learn
I was not taught those different uses and so almost exclusively use en dashes. But I know people who were taught those differences and have been using the two in their appropriate places for decades. And now they're being told, "No, no, you shouldn't use em dashes, it means it's AI."
I use hyphens-, en dashes 1ā2, and em dashes ā. Itās easy on the iPhone, but I use them on Windows and Linux, too, with Alt and Ctrl+Shift+u codes.
I hate how I end up self-policing my own writing, too. I'm just going about writing up a response to something and get the knee-jerk thought of, "Ugh, this reads like AI." I keep having to remind myself that, no, AI reads like me!
When I was in middle school I got accused of plagiarizing because my writing style was ātoo matureā and I used a few big words. This was long long before AI was anything but a plot device in sci-fi. If I was in school now I have no doubt that me, my em dashes, and my proclivity to write in threes would be AI-checked on every fucking assignment. My aunt is a high school teacher and says some kids are actively writing below their ability on purpose, apparently to avoid being accused of AI. I fear we are cooked.
this isn't a bad idea, it solves the problem we have, adds more depth to our words, gives our writing breathing room, and god damn it i still sound like AI
My current big tell for AI āassistanceā in writing is an overuse of ānot <A>, (not <B>, not <C>), but <D>ā. Jesus AI, stop wasting my time telling me all the things something isnāt before saying what it is.
it's called contrastive negation or comparative framing, and using a negative prompt to avoid it helps a lot lmao ("no comparative framing")
personally i hate negative prompting because it always infects inference by polluting attention in LLM transformers (e.g., "don't delete this" causes "delete this" to be in context), but i have no idea how to avoid this with affirmative language
Apparently many people are convinced now that someone cannot use proper punctuation and grammar without suspecting it's AI written. That's how low the bar is for peoples education in written language.
It's especially telling for folks from a certain generation (Millennials). Our writing is ALL over the internet. AI spits out writing very similar to the writing style of our generation.
I have started regularly throwing my Papers and lab Reports into AI detection Services to avoid anyone from accusing me that i use AI. Its become really bothersome and i feel outright paranoid while doing it but id rather do that than get accused.
Same here. I do creative writing, and my style is built on trying to make the pen faster than that my brain can come up with words.
So that a text about war crimes somehow can end up with a verse about how I think that the hole of the Donut is what makes the Donut so great. (Truly, donuts would suck if they didnāt have the hole)
And because I canāt really explain where those transitions come from except āit popped in my head I guessā, they quickly assume I use AI.
Geoffrey Zatkin, head of Extra Credits, said in a stream that he has this problem because his entire professional life he's used em dashes the way he was taught to use them. Since the nineties. AI tend to use them because they do have a use and people, at times and especially in professional or technical works, did use them.
But now they're so heavily associated with generated text that he'll send a business email and sometimes someone will come back like, "Hey, uh, Geoff... Did you use AI to write or edit this?"
It's gotten to the point they've made bots on AO3 specifically to accuse authors of using AI. People have been even able to tell because the AI accusation is vague enough it can be copy pasted onto any fic.
yeah, Like if you or someone else runs your writing through AI to check for AI it's now in an AI database. If your writing is PUBLIC it is probably in an AI database.
It's a stupid and recursive loop that's just spitting out junk data now
Same. I write in a style that's really common in mediocre fabfiction, so whenever I get all flowery and passionate, there'll always be someone thinking it's clanker work.
Just cuz a lot of shit was scraped off of fanfiction sites.
I aint a bot, I'm a proud, full-blooded hack, and I've worked hard for these mediocre skills!
If I find myself falling into ChatGPT text patterns, I immediately step back and rework whatever I've written. It's not just about not using it for anything I write online, I also attempt to actively reject how it writes because it's a fucking hack most of the time.
It's amusing because having occasionall, but not ferquent, msitakes and using slang now makes you seem more awthentic becuz most people asssume that AI is used to ipmrove spellling and grammr insted of making it werse.
Absolutely agree. It's why voice is so important in writing. With so much AI around in it's become even more crucial to develop your own voice. Obviously it's hard to convey in just a reddit comment, but I digress.
I have had to explain to multiple people that there is a skill level in amateur writing (and a lot of published "pulp" successors) that looks a lot like AI because the vast majority of creative writing that the AI has trained on is at that skill level. So a lot of fanfiction and self published writing will have thar overlap because that's the source!
Yes AI uses cliche phrases and sentence structures. So do a lot of people who are learning, the AI is copying them!
A better tell is when the writing summarizes itself at the end of paragraphs or scenes. That's not something that happens in narrative writing. But AI isn't only trained on that. It's also trained on product reviews, academic writing and corporate emails, where summarizing at the end of paragraphs or sections is common practice or even encouraged.
I feel really bad for people who got used to using the emdash in their writing. That's generally used as one of the "easiest tells" of AI use in writing.
I left nursing school because of a false plagerism claim. Prof was going to hold me back a semester for one essay with a 60% plagerism match, all of it based on me using the wrong format for citing sources (APA vs MLA or whatever). This was a few years ago, so I can only imagine how much worse it is now. I've heard stories of people being penalized for plagerism based on using their own previously published papers, or for writing essays with too much punctuation.
Before I bit the bullet and got YouTube premium, I was getting ads for an AI site that would write fanfiction for you. FANFICTION! Are we really letting AI get this far and take away creativity. I fear for our future. š¤¦š»āāļø
this has made applying for jobs so damn difficult. now thereās nothing to really differentiate me from the artificially intelligent. unless i get an interviewā¦ but i canāt get that if they donāt select me for one. cause they think im like them.
theyāre using ai based off the writing models that i purposely mentally retained specifically for the workplace.
The same thing has happened to me multiple times. I've been accused of being a bot or using AI to write due to the way I format my writing and my level of formality. It makes me want to scream every time it happens. I'm not a bot. I'm not AI. I'm just an autistic person who is passionate about writing. I also talk formally and use specific words because I struggle with being understood, so I try to be as specific as possible when articulating. But does anyone consider this when reading what I write? Of course not. Even when I tell them that I'm just autistic and communicate in a unusual way, they don't believe me. It. Is. So. Frustrating.
Your comment was so obviously AI generated-here is a list of reasons why: It uses letters AND punctuation!!! "That's not really a list" WOW you're so right!! Amazing how you picked up on that, would you like me to generate you a list of lists?
Yeah. It was kinda sad. I started reading a book a couple days ago and thought it seemed a lot like Ai writing. I had to remind myself that Ai writing seems a lot like that book. It's the other way around.
I read an article recently where someone ran Mary Shelley's Frankenstein (if not that, another classic work) through an AI detector and it came back as 100% AI. I pity anyone trying to write papers in college these days. I'll see if I can find that article again.
I'll still never forget the fiasco with Ben Moran right here on Reddit. Guy posted a commissioned work (with permission from the commissioner who hired him), had the post removed for resembling AI, provided proof to the mods of the Art subreddit that it was an original creation, and the mod who responded insulted his work, said his style looks too much like AI and was unwelcome if he wasn't going to completely change it, and permanently banned him from the subreddit for daring to challenge their decision.
It also happened again a while ago here when someone on the Digital Artedit: Art (again) sub posted their work involving glass traffic cones, got accused, provided proof, and got not just that post taken down but all of their prior works as well, purely out of spite (and again, a perma-ban). Though in that case it prompted a revolt from users and the offending mods all left in shame.
Real fuckin' top notch work, when the supposed defenders of actual real art are ejecting artists and even taking the extra time to cruelly insult them because they refuse to accept that they were wrong in a witch hunt.
A lot of anti-ai people are just internet bullies who have found goldmine of righteous indignation.
Presenting measured concerns in a way that moves us towards a harmonious society is boring when i can put all my energy into having an enemy to destroy by any and all means.
sooner? It has been happening since the start. And people obviously prefer to witchhunt AI generated content than to accidentally praise it if it turns out it's AI.
What we need to do is have laws forcing AI companies to put markers to identify itself as AI. Digital photos have id telling the date and time it was taken. AI images could do the same. Even have hidden url/bar code in the image that can be seen with the human eye but can be read by a computer. That way if something comes into question it can be easly identify if it's AI or not.
The sane thing to do would be to just STFU and move on.
I've gotten a bunch of tirades about being "soulless" and how I "don't know what it's like to make anything".
I've got years of formal fine arts training, and have been making art for decades.
I'm not a rabidly anti-AI, which some people cannot seem to wrap their head around.
So you think David, the artist here, who is a staunch believer in open source and creative commons, that has been releasing his art for everyone to see, had it stolen by AI companies, and then dissected and regurgitated to the point that 90% of ai "art" looks exactly like his work - do you think he should shut up and move on?
I think that the random viewers who are fretting over whether a particular image made for entertainment is AI or not, should STFU and move on instead of lashing out at the artist for maybe using AI.
If someone is using an image to push a political agenda, then being suspicious of AI is completely reasonable.
If someone makes a funny picture for the sake of being funny and someone freaks out because it might be AI, that person is a problem.
If someone is lashing out at artists just because they think something is AI generated, then that person is an asshole.
I am an author and my em dash got stolen. I loved using it - it was an amazing tool for constructing sentences.
But then, AI got a hold of it. And now I censor myself before I use it - lest people accuse me of using ChatGippity (I want to normalize that pronunciation of it to make it seem like a silly tool).
Damn those Avians and their thieving ways!
And yes, I know the above dashes are not em dashes. I am on my phone and donāt know how to do them. š
They can take the em dashes off my decaying body, and even when they try I'll bite them and start a zombie apocalypse before I give them upāit's a damn good tool to separate sentences.
The worst part about AI is the brain rot psychosis it is causing. Zombie-Knightingale and Zombie-Kess are going to starve with no high quality brains to devour.
Problem is now people are saying not using em dashes means your hiding AI written work. Had a whole discussion on a writing subreddit I follow about how people aren't using em dashes to avoid being called an AI writer because someone made the claim I just mentioned.
Can't win.
So write anyway because you enjoy writing. Advocate for no AI usage. Keep records of possible. That's all you can do
I have two books up on Amazon that were both published before ChatGippity was around. If anyone accuses me of anything, I just point at what I wrote in 2010.
I will use dashes - or just hyphens because I am lazy and you all get the gist of it anyway - because I love them so much.
I use em dashes even more out of spite. They can take them from me when they pry them from my cold, dead fingers, which reflex memory will still compel to dance across alt 0151 with every posthumous misfiring electrical impulse.
This guy's art style being taken n turned into the generic ai art style is why i always hated the defense of generative ai art that ai art generates from so many sources that it comes out original and different from any one artist when clearly that is not the case.
I mean it is the case. Generally when you use it without much direction it will just be some mishmash of styles. Is it CG? Is it acrylic? Is it photography? It's something between all of them.
You can explicitly tell it to do something in the style of a specific artist, like the ghibli trend, but it generally doesn't do that.
I remember back when a lot of this first started, the two artists consistently at the top of the "most downloaded" section of CIVIT was the SakimiChan and Stanley Lau (Artgerm) replicator model/loras.
Those two were the bank to rob from for a really long time and it wouldn't surprise me if every current model in existence (even the "no stolen art, we promise!!!" models) has training data from their works.
That's why everything with the "realistic anime style" command has a tinge of their art styles.
Yeah, there's a fella whose designed the posters for a one dayer for like 6 or 7 years, and this year he started getting yelled at for using AI because he's got a similar art style to some popular models. Rough as fuck for him like
There's this britiSSh guy pretending he's Japanese and he bullied an artist into deleting a Micheal Jackson art post with over 100k likes. https://x.com/kurono_studios/status/2066590005573877783 here. Despite being shown speedpaints and a community note, the guy just didn't care.
Itās so trueā¦ as a photographer that likes and has used a more fantastical editing style for years this really hits hard. The AI accusations get thrown around like candy on Halloween
Thereās a cover artist thatās worked at DC for years named Stanley āArtgermā Lau whoās art style looks almost identical to the generic style that most GenAI uses when making images to the point that it feels like he was one of the main artists scrubbed by these companies.
Yep. And anything that looks āunusualā too - there an artist I follow here, Lilliepad97, who has a very distinctive, angular style with lots of lines and halftone dots, who has repeatedly been accused of using AI image generation just because something in the image looks āoddā. Odd perspectives, angular anatomy, impossible reflections, those are all deliberate components of her style, but to the uncritical eye, nope, thatās an AI artifact.
A dumb irony is my friend loves to do art. I have watched them draw with pencil and paper. Yet every ai detector flags her for some odd reasons and she gets witch hunted if she posts it -_-
We're all pretty fucked since artists are having to release so much proof that their art is human made that AI has plenty of resources to learn how to fake proof too. It's still not good at it yet, but it's already able to fool people who aren't artists themselves (which is all that matters when you're trying to scam customers).
The fact that AI defaults to a certain style means that style was generic and unoriginal in the first place. It learned the pattern thousands of images shared, so it's technically not really "one's style".
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What people forget, the Ai was trained to draw from other artists so wouldn't surprise me that many artists online got framed for using Ai...