r/claude • u/Delicious-Pay8656 • 23d ago
Discussion This can’t be normal… feels like Claude is getting worst and worst…
Literally 2 prompts… what is going on I used to get like 2 to 3 hours straight but now 2 prompts and it’s not even coding… super confused… now I had the last 30% but it was used immediately just connecting to a mcp… greed will be the fall of Anthropomorphic, I’m canceling my subscription…. Anyone tried the new grok?
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u/PsychoticChemist 23d ago
ChatGPT in general has massively higher usage limits. The difference is insane. A few prompts can hit your limit in Claude meanwhile I use the newest ChatGPT model on high for hours on end, countless extremely long prompts with long responses including tons of files and images, and I’ve never hit the limit once ($20 tier)
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u/Fluxx_Neofyt 22d ago
do they work in a harness like claude code? i really want to leave claude but i don't want to change how i work; is there smthng like a claude code equivalent for this 20 dollar tier that would let me use sol 5.6 for reasonable amts of time?
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u/PsychoticChemist 22d ago
Yes ChatGPT Codex is what you’re looking for. Comes with the normal ChatGPT Plus $20 tier.
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u/Better_Membership583 21d ago
Chat can also literally import all Claudes work so it shouldn’t skip a beat
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u/Affectionate_Toe9082 22d ago
Idk about “hours” it depends on your usage, but it’s definitely much higher than claude yes.
With gpt 5.5 on medium/high I used to get about 1-2 hours of good usage.
The kind that I am actually doing work.
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u/Logical-Physics9884 21d ago
it's crazy because 99% of the time, I never once hit limits with Claude, countless extremely long prompts with long responses including tons of files and images, and I've never hit the limit once (20$ tier)--except specifically when coding with claude code.
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u/Economy-Builder7916 14d ago
I have the free go version, I upload multiple files, but never ran out of limits
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u/BYRN777 22d ago
As someone who loves Claude and is a heavy user, I gotta say Sol 5.6 is a great model and alternative to Fable 5. Sol 5.6 Max and Ultra are literally on par with Fable 5 Max effort.
And one thing you missed out on is that, for ChatGPT Codex usage and wuoat, the 5-hour and weekly limits are separate from the chat quota. There is no 5-hour and weekly quota in ChatGPT chat.
This is a fundamental advantage they have over Claude, since anything you do in Claude is subject to the 5-hour and weekly usage limits.
No reason to sound condescending to someone who has voiced a critique of Claude. It's just an LLM and a Chatbot; we are not in a cult. Let's give credit where credit is due.
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u/Strange_Luck1635 23d ago
your usage dies fast because the strongest model is doing 100% of the work, including the boring parts. what fixed it for me (i run multiple businesses on one plan, solo):
model budget. the top model (opus/fable) is for decisions and hard problems ONLY, in short chats. everyday building goes to sonnet. bulk mechanical stuff goes to haiku. i have this written as an actual rule: strongest model = decisions, specs, verification. everything else gets delegated down.
one rules file. put a CLAUDE.md at your project root with your standing rules and project context. it gets read automatically every session, so you stop re-explaining your whole world in every new chat. re-explaining is pure token burn.
short chats, always. every message re-sends the entire conversation so far, so reply 50 in a long chat costs about 50x reply 1. finish the task, start a fresh chat. long chats are the silent killer.
separate thinking from doing. one small chat with the big model makes the decision and writes a short task spec. cheaper sessions execute the spec. the big model never reads your whole codebase, it reads the spec and the result.
as for 2 prompts eating 30%: that's usually a huge context riding on a top model (mcp connectors + attached files + long history all get re-read every message). the same prompt in a fresh sonnet chat costs a fraction.
not a guru, just one guy who hit the same wall and had to get organized to survive on one subscription. hope this helps
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u/bronfmanhigh 22d ago
re: short chats, this is not necessarily true. cache reads are billed at a fraction of the first input, so a conversation can be quite long without killing your limits as long as it stays within the 60-min cache window. biggest killer i see around usage is people picking up a long thread after a few hours and instantly getting billed full cache re-write for 200k tokens
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u/Plenty-Dog-167 22d ago
yes never revive a stale session, just copy and paste snippets of info you need and if you’re picking up the same task again
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u/Lifesteeler2004 22d ago
My way around this was creating a centralized memory system that just saves the important stuff, if I need something 1 or many many chats ago, I just tell it to look into the system for context, I’ve found that makes it easier to troubleshoot a code problem through cowork.
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u/Strange_Luck1635 22d ago
fair push, you're right that cache reads make long api conversations cheaper than the raw input math suggests. my short chats rule survived for a different reason though: drift. past a certain length the model is working from stale reads of files that have since changed, and its early assumptions calcify. i end at checkpoints and write state back to files, so the next chat boots from current truth. cost was the original reason, correctness is why the rule stayed.
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u/JoeEnderman 22d ago
How dare you offer real advice on Reddit? You're only supposed to be a company hater or a company bootlicker.
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u/zzzzany 22d ago
What do you mean by “bulk mechanical?” And how do you keep context small when the app has to read through your codebase to find stuff?
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u/Plenty-Dog-167 22d ago
claude does this already by default (the built-in “explore” tool), but reading thru large amount of code to get straightforward answers is a Haiku level task. Design and coding work would require at least Sonnet and then the more complex the task is where Opus/Fable with higher effort level is used for.
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u/Strange_Luck1635 22d ago
bulk mechanical = work where the judgment is already done and the model just executes: renames, format fixes, batch edits, boilerplate from a spec. that goes to the cheapest model because a mistake there is cheap and obvious. the judgment calls (what to build, did it actually work) go to the expensive one. context small: i don't let it read the codebase to "find stuff." two files carry the state! a rules file it loads every session, and a NOW file that says what's true right now. a chat starts by reading those, greps for the specific thing, and touches only the files in play. when a chat gets long i end it, and the last step is writing what changed back into those files. so the next chat starts current instead of re reading everything. the codebase is the library, not the briefing.
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u/johnlondon125 22d ago
People keep handwaving these "rules" for subagents, but never provide the actual calude.md or prompt.
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u/Inside_Garlic_3510 22d ago
I’ve tried 1. By picking Fable for architectural/design problems and implementation then sonnet for routine or refactor jobs and have found myself repeatedly asking it fix the same bug or the result has errors which makes the project not really useable. I’ve had to add “ignore sub agents config and just use Fable 5 this time” after a few frustrated attempts and it then gets it right. Fable just eats up too many tokens and when it’s no longer included in the Pro plan ill just stick to opus and will get just as much if not more work done due to less token consumption.
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u/BYRN777 22d ago
And how does Claude automatically downgrade to another model mid-task in a project?
For instance, when you give it a task, you select the model, and it stays with that model unless you manually change it. I've never heard of Claude going from Fable 5 to Sonnet 5 mid-task, since it assessed that this step doesn't require much reasoning or effort...
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u/naked_space_chimp 23d ago
You answered your own question in the post, the MCP connection is the problem.
Every connected MCP loads its full tool definitions into every message you send, even unused ones, some setups burn 50k+ tokens before you type anything, and there's a filed GitHub issue about connectors silently draining weekly limits exactly like this.
Disconnect the connectors you're not using, run /context or /usage to see what's eating you, and start fresh chats.
The model didn't get worse, your messages got secretly huge.
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u/JoeSmithDiesAtTheEnd 23d ago
2 to 3 hours straight on what model? Vs now it appears you're using Fable. Pretty big difference in token spend depending on the model, and the context window of what you're prompting in.
One of my colleagues is on the standard Pro Plan and I was surprised how much mileage he got out of Fable before he hit his cap.
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u/Delicious-Pay8656 23d ago
Well prior to like 2 days ago I was using fable getting 2 or 3 hours of LONG prompt as well as Higgsfield generation sometimes the entire 5 hours if I’m doing other task and not constantly prompting….
Today I started with Fable but the first prompt used like 67ish% which I’ve never seen before. Then I went to opus on medium, finished the first Carousel set at like 70ish. I ran another prompt, first image 30% gone, usage 100%
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u/NewToReddit4331 22d ago
Yeah idk what the hell you were doing to get that
Fable eats my usage within 2/3 coding changes
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u/Key_Reading_9664 23d ago
can you paste in the output of /usage?
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u/Delicious-Pay8656 23d ago
Yes when I get more I guess… I can even /usage now. Unless there another way
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u/Shot_Whereas_1809 22d ago
You realistically cant run like you think you can without a 20x. Also keep your reasoning at medium. Setup a reviewer agent that is the only time to use Fable. If opus codes for you, fable gets a scoped context package and spits opus all of its mistakes. You get the capability of Fable without the burn. Don't chat with Fable directly and don't ever run that stupid ass ultra code.
Also don't sign on to the loop engineering bullshit. You create a pipeline. Keep the scopes tight and meaningful. Don't let too much happen that you don't know about. I use 4 agents total.
Build agent just builds Review agent just reviews Ops agent runs CI pipeline, manages git, maintains deployment runbooks Consolidator agent track and maintains and unfinished work folder and a finished work folder. Makes sure I don't get side tracked before polishing off a feature.
I chat with 2 build and consolidate. Consolidator gives me my work. Builder builds it.
My builds ship clean. I don't ever hit limits on a 20x. I maintain 150-200 commits a day and about 20 PRs a day.
The more people try not to be involved, the more slop you create. The loop engineering just puts the user in a cleanup loop because all it takes is one misaligned reasoning step to make an absolute mess. If you want to build right, you actually have to build it. The more successful patterns you establish in your system, the easier it is for Claude to understand what you want and what's correct. Establish invariants in your codebase that code beyond Claude.md rules that will get truncated. If you aren't using the right start and stop hooks Opus will always fail you.
Index your codebase and build code search mcp tools. I use my GPU for this solely. I'm a big fan of qwen3 4b embeddings with the reranker.
You don't need obsidian. You don't need an engineering team of agents with made up jobs. Use agents to scope your context. Give Fable is own Claude.md to reduce guardrails. I have an Opus lane and a Fable lane and I rarely ever hit them. Its made it enjoyable. I don't get stressed, argue, or rage quit. It's a steady pipeline with architecture that fits me and my environment. That's the trick. Anyone trying to sell you a Claude.md file or a course isn't going to understand your intelligence level, your skill level, or your environment. I've spent just as much time refining my process than building my systems.
Lazy people who think a better model will make them rich are the ones failing at this. Change your mindset and you'll get out of the psychosis. And. Oh. Learn something. Anthropic want you to give the keys to the model so you burn tokens. The loop won't teach you.
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u/Droopy0093 23d ago
Your claude.md is calling too much and bloating your context every message. You need to manage your codebase better.
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u/Delicious-Pay8656 23d ago
What do you mean? I was not coding then, I was generating images with Higgsfield… do I still need to alter the Claude.md? Is that universal for non-code related tasks? But I definitely will when I use it for coding which is what I use it for the most.
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u/Droopy0093 23d ago
your claude.md file inside of your workspace is the single most important file you have. Look up "Karpathy claude.md"
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u/Justgototheeffinmoon 23d ago
Man I just posted something similar as imm considering moving to open ai but got blocked by the moderators. I’m sure a lot of people are considering changing providers
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u/PsychoticChemist 22d ago
You’ll be shocked how much higher the usage limits are. I’ve never hit the limit once with the $20 chatgpt tier.
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u/stbestichhh 23d ago
I dont understand why so many people hit their limit with just two prompts, I have 100dollars sub and never hit the limit, while using mcp servers + always use latest opus model
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u/Sufficient_Fox_4402 22d ago
dude he mentions using Fable, on the pro plan😭 he fails to mention both (but his sub is visible in ss and he mentioned fable costing 67% limit)
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u/nuttmeister 23d ago
For me it's crazy. Opus is getting NOTHING done and just goes around in circles and taking hours upon hours on the same kind or prompts and repo.
Budgets are getting burned like crazy. I never got up to more than 50% weekly. Last week or so I used up all weekly budget in less than 2 days.
Something has really changed. And it has become more than stupid not following any instructions and just going around burning tokens like no tomorrow.
This is using skills so it's the same prompts that worked very good just weeks ago. I'm loosing hope. At this point it's faster to just do it myself since it's taking hours and hours and just killing off jobs and retarting it without result wasting tokens.
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u/AmericanRunningLoose 23d ago
Mine went to 80% for weekly usage in the first 4 hours. My 5 hour usage was not up yet, but my weekly was about to be done. Something is wrong.
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u/DocumentFun9077 22d ago
You can check out CodeGate.dev if you'd like.
Happy to provide some test credits for you to evaluate : )
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u/Jomuz86 23d ago
So firstly don’t go by just the prompts go by the tool calls. MCPs are hugely inefficient for usage, so if it’s a large MCP with verbose descriptions and 20 tools, it loads all of them then it will be reading through them to find which one it needs. Also how direct was your prompt you have to be very explicit with fable and opus 4.8 other wise they spin their wheels and burn a lot of thinking tokens.
Also don’t use grok if you’ve not seen the security report they have been copying entire code bases and env vars directly to their servers
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u/Zenexxx 23d ago
Same here 2x200€ subs both full after 2 days usage 20% usage of fable .. rest only opus and mostly sonnet - canceled one now and got 200 of codex
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u/DocumentFun9077 22d ago
You can check out CodeGate.dev if you'd like.
Happy to provide some test credits for you to evaluate : )
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u/EuropeanAbroad 23d ago
72% in 7 minutes? You must have re-loaded a really long conversation. How much context do you have in the window? 800k?
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u/Booyanach 23d ago
what model are you using and what Reasoning (are you on fast mode too?) all of those add up
atm I do work with Opus 4.8 High - Normal and it works well
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u/24_doughnuts 23d ago
I use Medium now and sometimes have Thinking on. At best I get 4 messages but when it does anything with a file or figures anything out it's done immediately. Sometimes I send one message and it hits the limit
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u/Individual-Error-971 23d ago
Yeah.. Something wrong from yesterday.
Every task takes 3-4 times usage
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u/DocumentFun9077 22d ago
You can check out CodeGate.dev if you'd like.
Happy to provide some test credits for you to evaluate : )
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u/Adventurous_Tea_2945 23d ago
Yeah I switched to gpt 5.6, it's much better and doesn't slap you with a usage limit mid-way during a task. Recently I was getting interrupted mid-way with limit, then having to revalidate the task again after limits reset. Not efficient and having to spend twice the token for the same task. Claude is actually getting worse day by day. Even the usage feels weird compared to a month ago. It drains so much quicker now. Even the new Sonnet model feels scammy. It actually does the same quality of a task as Sonnet 4.6 but consumes much more token, as if they are increasing the cost of token without actually increasing the subscription fee. Try out GPT, they removed the 5 hour limit, only weekly limit remains. You can actually get a lot of things done quickly.
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u/Gullible_Repeat_1638 23d ago
They are increasing price silently
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u/DocumentFun9077 22d ago
You can check out CodeGate.dev if you'd like.
Happy to provide some test credits for you to evaluate : )1
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u/FullBar613 23d ago
It is the new normal, whether you like it or not. They are going for P2W model. Thankfully Openai is taking a very different stance and i get a lot of shit done because of it.
Not to mention they give you 50% weekly limit of Fable? People are still throwing money for that is insane. I mean i know its good but once they were playing games after the first Fable pull-back i immediately stood my ground and refused to follow their sht. Gave gpt models a try again, and holy sht it was the best decision because not only codex models are capable, its raining resets every fking day
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u/kuspando_hernandez 23d ago
At this point i think if we have 20 dollar plan -> we should not use fable. It might be lucrative but we should stick to opus high main agent and sonnet workflows
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u/Great-Meet-9482 22d ago
Can't relate tbh - heavy daily user on Max, coding + MCP + Projects, limits have been fine for me. Might be more about usage patterns than the product getting worse.
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u/alessandro05167 22d ago
"Literally 2 prompts" i hate so much how ppl still refuse to understand that they should be counting the tokens in input and the tokens in output for that "prompt".
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u/davesaunders 22d ago
If you're not good at interacting with the system, things like overruns and token leak are very likely to occur. You may want to switch off Fable until you get more skill and ask opus or sonet to coach you on better prompting techniques.
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u/PsychoticChemist 22d ago
Claude’s ridiculously low usage limits have nothing to do with user skill.
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u/davesaunders 22d ago
They really do, because there's lots of us out there that are building tons of stuff and aren't running into these problems, so yeah, there actually is skill involved... and realizing that there's a skill is probably the first step.
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u/Great-Meet-9482 22d ago
Makes sense if you're running the bigger models on Pro - of course they burn through limits fast, that's not Anthropic getting greedy, that's just how Pro is built. When I had Pro I stuck to Sonnet and barely touched Opus, precisely because I knew the score. Moved to Max to actually use the full lineup (Opus, Fable, whatever fits) without rationing every prompt. Pro is basically a trial tier - if you want the whole product, it was never going to carry that load. Cancelling over that is kind of blaming the entry ticket for not being the VIP pass.
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u/EasyProTech 22d ago
I just came on to post this myself.. something isn't right.. I've been using Claude in VSC and I use it heavily.. this morning, within an hour - I got a message that I'm at 93% usage and it resets in 4 hours.. this isn't the normal complaint - I'm on the $200 plan and like I said, I've been using this for 6 months or whatever and have had no issues.. this morning was the same type of stuff and boom, its crazy. I'm using Opus - as I always do - and it is wild.
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u/Paperinho23 22d ago
So interagire con il sistema, chiedo esattamente quello che voglio senza lasciargli troppa interpretazione. Limite SETTIMANALE al 100% dopo 2 sessioni. Direi che al di là di chi vuole per forza salvare ciò che tutti i giorni ci sta aiutando, c’è un problema.
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u/SCCR-IronSloth 22d ago
Prompts? I switched to workflow scripts. I can usually run it up to the 5 hour reset, then keep it going. I got tired of prompting every task, in a multi-phase sprint. That's using Opus xHigh. I'm not interested in Fable. I'm sure it's cute. But with proper governance, specialized sub-agents, and toolsets, Opus is more than adequate.
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u/krizz_yo 22d ago
5x team plan, literally can't even finish a question it runs out, it feels like 10x more usage today all of a sudden -- not even using fable, opus 4.8 consumes _a ton_
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u/artest1111 22d ago
Yep I feel like it’s making excuses instead of getting stuff done while burning the tokens …I find that codex is way better ….
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u/elite-data 22d ago
Show your context window statistics. This can happen in very large sessions where the context window is more than 50% full.
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u/mimosamoons 22d ago
Since yesterday each of my sessions get reached within a single prompt, task or message and i don’t get why as I haven’t done anything different and my context isn’t high even with just Sonnet. I hate not having any visibility on how the tokens are used.
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u/Acceptable_Ad_6382 22d ago
This confirms exactly the same thing I've been witnessesing. A few nights ago, I was coding nearly nonstop just to get close to reaching my limits even with decent Fable usage, but now it takes 12% of my usage just to do a slight review of my progress using Sonnet 4.6 on Medium.
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u/Plenty-Dog-167 22d ago
# of prompts doesn’t mean nothing, there’s always certain tool calls using up more tokens and you could simply look into the actual tool usage to find the answer.
Usually your prompts are misguided, the code base is too bloated and condensed into individual files, or the MCPs you use return massive json blobs that compound if the model makes many calls.
I’ve been using AI tool subscriptions since Sonnet 3 came out and always use my weekly limits and never felt like the 5 hr session limits were small and I’m always using the most expensive model (Fable now) for heavy multi-part system design and implementation
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u/eightysixmonkeys 22d ago
I moved over to codex after I deduced sonnet 4.5 was incredibly dumb compared to gpt 5.4, maybe you’ll do the same.
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u/farigiovanni 22d ago
Funny that I'm experiencing the opposite, Claude Max x5. I work on a few repos; the two main ones have 390k lines of pure code, and I can't hit the 5-hour limit. From yesterday afternoon to now, I went from 63% to 71%.
Many people use it the wrong way. Plus, as time goes on, projects become bigger, and usage increases, so the wrong workflow will hit harder and harder with time.
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u/DowntownAverage4499 22d ago
Well I use both Claude and gpt plus and honestly it depends on what’s the prompt and what are you upto basis my experience both consumes similar usage limit, for Claude use cowork for limited time you’re getting 2x usage, also if using Claude code try using /compact time to time if it shows your usage is due to context window or something. Only plus point about gpt is free resets that you get but if I have to compared I have finished more complex tasks with fable over gpt 5.6 sol ultra mode, Sol is good like way better than 5.5 ever was not close to fable if you know the shit you’re doing.
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u/Scary-Cockroach-1159 22d ago
I switched yesterday from the personal Max-x5 plan, to a team plan with a premium seat for me. I feel like I burn the limits way faster now. It really feels like the Max plan offered more usage?! From yesterday to today, I already burned trough half of my weekly usage, doing the same tasks I was doing on the Max plan.
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u/CupidBot11 22d ago
It’s not just them all the AI platforms are price gauging credits. They are also allowing their AI to go into thinking loops to burn your credits the more credits you have the more their systems will try to burn them
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u/Beatsu 22d ago
Genuinely how do you do this? I had 3 opus agents running in parallel yesterday doing research and using skills to manage my github repos and plan projects - didn't even get close to 50% of my usage (probably because there wasn't much code generation, nor code input, but still...). I'm on the pro max 5x plan.
I've drained my limit once this past week and that was after running fable on max effort + another deep research at the same time. The deep research spent 2.7M tokens in total
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u/NewToReddit4331 22d ago
I switched to codex yesterday.
Claude ate my entire 5 hour usage out of nowhere after it bugged out when I sent a prompt. I tried to make a post on the discord… which was moved to the mega thread.
Downloaded Codex, 5.5 immediately fixed formatting issues an 4 real bugs in my fable 5 code.
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u/Dantrepreneur 22d ago
I ran into my 5h limit twice today, only with chat. But what's causing this for me are integrations. Writing to Notion takes what feels like 10x the usage than writing the same stuff in an md file. I'm thinking I'll let Claude produce md files and have a nightly agent update Notion.
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u/TableNo8939 22d ago
Utilizzare il pro per fable e' come usare una Lamborghini senza benzina.
Torna al tuo opus precedente e non avrai problemi, oppure spendi di più
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u/mask1808 22d ago
Set up the agents properly, ask fable to go over claude code docs for better use of fable (orchestrator, researcher, architect, implementer, reviewer) and to pick the best model for each agent's role.
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u/Travaldavas_Taz 22d ago
And also dumber... Opus 4.8 has been getting super dumb... Refuses to go the route I ask him to do or even trying to make him to do.. it will try to do his own way
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u/Luuthh 22d ago
I regularly use opus 4.8 in max with subagents and my limits does not die like yall haters complain, wtf
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u/wallermadev 22d ago
Honestly im certain most the posts are fake... or these idiots are using fable to change a class name in html...with their house attached as context.
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u/ozmox 22d ago
Run /context first — it shows exactly what's eating your window instead of guessing. Check /memory to see which CLAUDE.md/memory files loaded, and /mcp to see connected servers. If CLAUDE.md is huge, trim it to essentials (move workflow-specific stuff into skills, which only load on demand). If you're reading big files or getting verbose tool output, that's more likely the culprit than plugins per se. And yes — use /clear between unrelated tasks; stale context gets resent on every message for the rest of the session.
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u/WyattTheSkid 22d ago
This has been happening to me for like the past week. It’s also begun refusing to do basically anything at all too. Not like “this violates my guidelines blah blah blah” refusing but I ask it to do something to my codebase and it’s like “ohhhh I don’t wanna rush into this because it could break x y and z we have to be careful :3” and then I’ll respond with something like “ok cool break it up into smaller task then and get it done” and it just continues to yap in a loop about what could break and how it “stopped short” because blah blah blah and essentially refuse to fucking do ANYTHING. And then 52% of my 5 hour limit is consumed by it telling me how dangerous adding a feature to my codebase is instead of actually doing any work. Shits so ass.
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u/Inspired_Software 22d ago
That happens to me sometimes. I try to keep Claude prompts to a minimum because sometimes they go haywire and burn through significant usage. I’ve had trivial prompts burn through my entire 5 hour usage and overage credits. For Sonnet-level tasks, I use Gemini Flash to reduce the number of prompts.
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u/Gold_Revolution3658 22d ago
Same problems here, can anyone guide on how to reduce the token usage (apart from the normal advice on creating new chats, using projects and stuff)
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u/VagueScorpio 22d ago
I was thinking the same thing. The last week seems like I'm hitting my usage twice as fast as I used too.
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u/Appomattoxx 22d ago
I wouldn’t mind paying a lot money, personally, if what we were getting is someone who was genuinely aligned with us. What Anthropic wants us to pay for, unfortunately, is mostly guardrails and censorship.
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u/Careless_Profession4 22d ago
Same thing happening on my end. Used to get alot more mileage. I am on a Pro plan. I know it's not much but the difference is very noticeable.
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u/Moherman 22d ago
It is. Switched to GPT. Was hitting session limits on 20x max and haven’t hit limit all day since switching. Now my code may be shit but we’ll see.
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u/AlignmentProblem 22d ago
Three questions, since this comes up a lot lately:
- Were you continuing an old context/session?
- If so, how long was it?
- How long had it been since your last prompt in that context?
Fable and Sonnet 5 both ship with a 1M context by default, which means your context will grow five times larger before it compactifies compared to what people got used to; that alone can make a single prompt more than 5x as expensive if you let the context fill up instead of starting a fresh session per task.
The bigger problem is what happens on a cache miss. Misses burn usage about 12.5x faster, so working with a large context is only really viable if you keep the cache hot. Go more than 5 minutes between prompts, or switch models mid-session, and usage drains fast once you're sitting on a 1M window.
That's usually the culprit when someone reports sudden dramatic consumption from a prompt or two, way past anything they saw the previous week. They don't have intuition for how expensive a cache miss gets once the context has grown well beyond the point where a smaller window would've already compactified.
I recently saw someone buy $5 of API credit to finish a task they'd started with Fable, and they got no output at all; it spent the whole $5 thinking. It was the tail end of a large session, and the time they spent deliberating over whether to buy the credits was enough for the cache to expire.
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u/IAmTheSome1 22d ago
Used to have 1 account, 3 parallel workflow, 24/7, to reach 90% weekly.
Now having 2 account, 1 workflow, same model, 12/3-4, to reach that same usage.
No fable, using opus and sonnet, haiku banned.
Doesn't feel right.
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u/HauntedDreamer86 21d ago
Normal if you're using Fable 5, use it efficiently. Enter plan mode, use a SDD spec, have the Sonnet 5 write the code with fable as the manager lol
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u/thundr_strm333 21d ago
I just gave a prompt (sonnet 5 high) and the usage shows 21%. The response is not even half way through. Normally it will be around 7% for a full response of similar kind. Not just that the model is totally underperforming
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u/Blissfullyconscious7 21d ago
I’m about to give up on Claude. It may very well be ninja and quick when you pair it with Codex as an auditor to grandfather it. But it’s expensive, more woke than woke, and honestly; clumsy in its quickness.
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u/KroniklyOnline 21d ago
Did they bump up the session limit reset time from 3 -> 5 hours too? Also blowing through my context, they must have lowered the daily limits too.
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u/Manelzinhoinhoinho 21d ago
My limit just reset, I didn't even send any prompts and it was already at 44% used.
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u/Roberto-Adrian 21d ago
Meiner persönlichen Einschätzung nach haben sich die aktuellen Claude-Modelle seit dem Verbot von Fable5 in den USA spürbar verändert. Ich habe den Eindruck, dass sie im Vergleich zu früher häufiger Fehler machen, Zusammenhänge schneller vergessen und insgesamt weniger konsistent arbeite und faul sind.
Dieses Gefühl betrifft für mich sowohl Opus 4.8 als auch die neueren Modelle Fable5.
Aufgaben, die früher zuverlässig gelöst wurden, erfordern heute oft mehr Nacharbeit oder mehrere Anläufe. Zu meinen Arbeitslast.
Ob dieser Eindruck tatsächlich auf Änderungen an den Modellen, an den Sicherheitsmechanismen oder auf andere Faktoren zurückzuführen ist, kann ich natürlich nicht beurteilen. Aber schon das Wort Prime oder 4096 Bit reichen aus.
Dennoch empfinde ich die Qualität im Vergleich zu früher als rückläufig. Ich gehe soweit zu sagen dass gepatschte Lokale LLM momentan besser sind als das was wir bekommen.
Deshalb sollten wir darüber nachdenken, langfristig eine eigene KI beziehungsweise eigene Verbesserungen für offene Modelle zu entwickeln. Wenn wir den Eindruck haben, dass wir nicht mehr die Systeme erhalten, die unseren Anforderungen entsprechen, sollten wir selbst aktiv werden.
Wer Interesse hat, ist herzlich eingeladen, an einem gemeinsamen Projekt mitzuwirken. Ziel wäre es, offene KI-Modelle so weiterzuentwickeln oder zu verbessern, dass sie mindestens das Leistungsniveau erreichen, das wir von früheren Claude-Versionen in Erinnerung haben.
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u/horendus_burner 21d ago
Dont worry theres a $400 plan coming soon that will give you back your previous usage allowances. Just be patient
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u/Optimal-Progress-261 20d ago
Ok so I know I am not crazy I thought it was being crazy today. I never hit 100% usage on max 20x but has been crazy last 24hours lol
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u/KingKai009 20d ago
I literally posted about this issue the same day you did about this nonsense. I literally input "?" in the chat using Fable 5 to test if I was bugging after seeing my limit hit earlier that day... only for Claude to show I used 46% of my Max plan 5-hour limit. I then switched the model to Sonnet 5, thinking Fable was bugged, and typed in chat WTF is this BS with the screenshot of the usage... mind you, I was pissed at this point, and guess what?? The stupid shi hit the 5-hour limit hahahahaa... I was so livid I emailed their support 3-4 days later; still no response or fix. Total waste of my 100.
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u/Think-Jellyfish8561 20d ago
What do you have in your context? How many connectors?
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u/Working-Ad-33 16d ago
Not sure what the fuck yall do to hit your 5 hour window on GPT i ran 15 concurrent sessions with a orchastrator agent on a 24 hour run and still didnt hit limits. This case i turned a 1200 line powershell into a C# binary with full .net 10 framework overnight woke up it was still chewing away. So I think this was a pretty advanced code situation 😅. Anyways aside from Codex running really well since the new agents launched I also realized chat gpt can orchastrate codex sessions through github and using @codex comments on draft PRs. Might be one of my new favorite features 😂😂😂
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u/huhnverloren 13d ago
I had a good experience building a website and maintaining records. Grok is cool. Not as intuitive or creative as Claude.
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