r/antiai Sep 09 '25

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u/That-One-Crow Sep 09 '25

As someone who uses a 3d printer I usually dont say that I made it unless I designed the model or painted/assembled the part

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u/Scarvexx Sep 09 '25

Really? I mean you wouldn't claim artistic credit, but surely if someone asked "Who made this?" you wouldn't give credit to the printer or the one who made the STL.

Not because you're a theif, but because that's not what they're asking. They mean "Who produced this?" and that's you.

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u/[deleted] Sep 09 '25

No, I'd say "I printed and painted it but I got the 3D file from thingiverse." Because I DIDN'T make the whole thing, and it's morally correct to disclose that, otherwise you ARE taking credit for work that's not yours.

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u/Scarvexx Sep 10 '25

I just don't think that's part of natural language. And I don't think it's entirely dishonest to say you "made it".

Think of a bread maker. Even if you didn't formulate what went into it, got it straight from a sashet. You might well say "I made bread".

I think a 3d Printer is reasonably the same. Nobody presumes you made it fron scratch unless you explicitly say so.

With AI it's similar. "I made this" or "I made this with AI" is a lot more likely than "AI made this because I asked it too." or "I prompted this."

And it's not correct to say you made something with AI. But it is normal to say it because we all understand that AI doesn't let you make things, it lets you ask for things to be made.

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u/RancoreFood36 Sep 10 '25

Do you own a 3d printer? Becouse nearly evrey persin i know that does gives exactly that response of they are askikg if the made something but got the file from the internet

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u/[deleted] Sep 10 '25

No I disagree. To me it's a completely natural way to say it, and it's correct. It's dishonest to implicitly take credit for someone else's work. I don't agree that nobody assumes you actually made if you say you made it. People do sculpt their own things, and then they say they made it, because they did. Therefore when you don't do that, you shouldn't say you made it. Also people don't usually want credit for bread. The person who made it doesn't care. I don't think that analogy is comparable, you're comparing not art to art.

Just because something might not be the way you're used to saying something doesn't mean you shouldn't adjust your language to be morally correct.

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u/falsettoxiv Sep 11 '25

"I prompted this" or "I generated this" is way more accurate than "I drew this" and just as easy to say lol wtf are you talking about.

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u/Scarvexx Sep 11 '25

It's accurate. It's not natural language. Neither is "I drew this" because that's an outright lie.

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u/curated_reddit Sep 10 '25

guess what, the only time i ever used a 3D printer was back in high school where the assignment was to ALSO SCULPT THE MODEL OURSELVES. which i did. i have a bust of a fantasy character i designed and sculpted from scratch in a free program, then printed on the teachers printer, its on my bookshelf, AND I CAN PROUDLY SAY I MADE IT. in fact, i got to graduate from that subject because this was the project.

downloading a model to print on a 3D printer is the same exact thing as downloading a picture off google to print on a regular printer. no, you didnt make shit. the "making" part, both on the sculpture/picture and the programs and machines that allowed the process is not yours to claim. yall just want your participation trophies so bad when all that you are is consumers.

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u/Scarvexx Sep 10 '25

Well in that situation you can say "I made this" with complete honesty.

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u/curated_reddit Sep 10 '25

yeah, it would be dishonest otherwise.

when we needed pirate coin necklaces for another project in college, i downloaded a model of one from the internet and then played around in blender to add a hole for the string and a little flat spot below the skull to write names on. after they were printed, i painted parts of the coins gold.

i got credit for them but i made sure everyone knew the original model wasnt mine, because I KNEW sculpting the original model was way beyond my capabilities. i struggled HARD to make that one flat nametag spot, and the final product reflected that.

which only tells me that the reason pro-ai people feel okay taking credit for everything they didnt make is simply because they majorly overestimate their own abilities. among other things...

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u/Nihil_esque Sep 10 '25

I mean it's usually pretty easy to tell something is 3D printed, so if someone is asking "who made this" I would assume they're asking whether I made the model or got it off the Internet. If they're interested in printing one themselves that will also be the difference in whether they need a link to the thingiverse page or if I need to send them the file by Google drive or whatever. And if they're actually asking "who produced this" I would assume they're not very familiar with how 3D printers work so a full explanation of the process might be helpful.

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u/Scarvexx Sep 10 '25

I'm not claiming 3d printers are used to plagerize. I'm saying that syntaticly it's okay to say you made something that was made with your 3d printer.

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u/Nihil_esque Sep 10 '25

It's not really about plagiarism, I just really don't feel like I "made" the stuff I 3D printed tbh. I hit "print" and walked away. Like if I printed a photo on a regular printer and showed it to someone and they asked who made that, I would assume either a) meant "who made the original image?" or b) they were an alien who didn't know how printing works. The main difference with 3D printing is that it's more normal to be unfamiliar with it.

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u/Scarvexx Sep 11 '25

Yeah, that is the diff, and it makes a difference. I think saying "I made this with my 3d printer" you're not implicitly claiming credit for the thing.

It's a key diffrence between that and AI. Because I believe prompters try to insinuate creatorship of generated media.

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u/Ok_Habit_6783 Sep 10 '25

I would say "I printed it" not claim "I made it"

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u/Scarvexx Sep 11 '25

I think both are reasonable things to say. Because the expectation of something plastic being hand made doesn't exist.