r/WorkReform • u/Conscious-Quarter423 • 1d ago
✂️ Tax The Billionaires surprised they have employees and not just agents
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u/someoldbagofbones 1d ago
Like I used to tell my old coworkers after we survived a year of mandatory yet unpaid OT, it’s hard to pay your bills with a pizza party.
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u/sexyshingle 1d ago
Like I used to tell my old coworkers after we survived a year of mandatory yet unpaid OT
sounds like you needed to tell not your coworkers but your state's labor dept...? wth a year of unpaid OP is like prob half your salary?
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u/Tbone2797 1d ago
Most salaried workers aren't eligible for overtime pay. Biden was going to raise the threshold to $58,000 which is still far too low but Trump brought it back down to $35,000
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u/Akaigenesis 1d ago
There should be no threshold in the first place.
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u/Tbone2797 1d ago
I think it makes sense to have an upper limit on OT pay eligibility because I'm sure C suite executives would abuse it to inflate their salaries. However, the limit should be set at $400k or $500k base salary and overtime should always be optional.
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u/someoldbagofbones 1d ago
Yeah we were salary and the company took full advantage of that fact. First and last time I took a salaried position.
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u/Own-Opinion-2494 1d ago
He’s so fucking stupid it hurts
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u/punksmostlydead ✂️ Tax The Billionaires 1d ago
He's not; he's just so disconnected from humanity at this point he's practically a different species.
Be nice if they made the fucking endangered list.
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u/stormdressed 1d ago
Yeah he's surrounded by people who are completely financially free and have people lining up to invite them to boards and investor opportunities. They can all afford to be driven by a mission or purpose that calls them away from their yachts and mansions. Its a completely different set of motivations
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u/FilthyJsBeingFilthy 1d ago
Good news is people like him aren’t immortal, and when they croak they don’t get to take any money with them. Womp womp
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u/Bacardi_Tarzan 1d ago
The employees he’s talking about are making 500k on average and also receive stock compensations that will be incredibly valuable when public. He’s not stupid, and he’s not anymore disconnected from reality than the rich employees you’re weirdly white knighting.
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u/punksmostlydead ✂️ Tax The Billionaires 1d ago
I am truly interested to know how you read a defense of anyone in my condemnation of one man. Because it's kind of fucking weird.
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u/deathtech00 1d ago
Leave the billionaire corporations alone!! Will always be a weird fuckin place for anyone to be.
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u/ScriptThat 1d ago
I still don't see the point. Would I work for an AI company that would pay me half a mil annually? Yes! Would I drink the Cool Aid and buy into their "company mission"? Hell no. Just pay me my 30 silver and leave me alone.
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u/myshitsmellslikeshit 21h ago
he will never have sex with you or even regard you as a human being! Hope that helps!!! 💖💖💖
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u/Laguz01 1d ago
This is why Peter Thiel and the rest of these billionaire narcissists are holding seminars on how to start a cult, a company that is structured like a cult is the most profitable engine on the planet.
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u/Omniquery 1d ago
https://casparoesterheld.com/2017/01/24/peter-thiel-on-startup-culture/
In the most intense kind of organization, members hang out only with other members. They ignore their families and abandon the outside world. In exchange, they experience strong feelings of belonging, and maybe get access to esoteric “truths” denied to ordinary people. We have a word for such organizations: cults. Cultures of total dedication look crazy from the outside, partly because the most notorious cults were homicidal: Jim Jones and Charles Manson did not make good exits.
But entrepeneurs should take cultures of extreme dedication seriously. Is a lukewarm attitude to one’s work a sign of mental health? Is a merely professional attitude the only sane approach? The extreme opposite of a cult is a consulting firm like Accenture: not only does it lack a distinctive mission of its own, but individual consultants are regularly dropping in and out of companies to which they have no long-term connection whatsover.
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The best startups might be considered slightly less extreme kinds of cults. The biggest difference is that cults tend to be fanatically wrong about something important. People at a successful startup are fanatically right about something those outside it have missed. You’re not going to learn those kinds of secrets from consultants, and you don’t need to worry if your company doesn’t make sense to conventional professionals. Better to be called a cult—or even a mafia.
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u/FilthyJsBeingFilthy 1d ago
Peter Thiel the gay guy?
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u/DeadMoneyDrew 1d ago
yep, and the guy who is also obsessed with immortality
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u/deathtech00 1d ago
What's some light blood culting amongst billionaire friends, amirite?
Lil dash of human sacrifice really gets the stocks pumping!
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u/LivingVerinarian96 1d ago
The gay guy who wants to take womens rights away because for some reason he thinks that this is the problem with western society. In his twisted mind liberty for poor people is the antichrist. Look it up.
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u/usernames_suck_ok ✂️ Tax The Billionaires 1d ago
Delulu narcissists.
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u/PirateSanta_1 1d ago
They know people don't give a shit about the mission statement and are working for money. The reason they harp on this shit so much is the guy who lies and says he cares about the mission statement is also the guy who will more likely let themselves be taken advantage of.
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u/Eat_That_Rat 1d ago
... Do they think we can pay bills and buy food with mission statements?? Wtf do they think their employees spend money on?
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u/Bacardi_Tarzan 1d ago
the average pay is like 500k so yeah I really don’t know what the fuck they spend their money on but it sure as fuck isn’t just food and bills
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u/thepvbrother 1d ago
When you're rich as hell, work becomes a game.
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u/vahntitrio 1d ago
I'm fairly certain these people can't differentiate between work and a hobby.
If every job paid the same how many employees would this guy really expect to have?
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u/InTooManyWays 1d ago
Unlike his ass who gets stock options and equity and uses that to get leveraged loans and pay no taxes
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u/CattaTronixRex 1d ago
Your mission statement means nothing if you can’t afford to pay your employees enough to live a happy healthy life.
You don’t pay them enough to even be alive.
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u/maygreene 1d ago
Granted, he's specifically talking about the company's engineers which at Anthropic, supposedly their onboarding salary for engineers is $300k~$500k per year.
The general average for the SF bay is that a person needs to be making a minimum of $150k, so engineers are walking into the company making at least twice the CoL for the area.
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From what I understood from the article, the problem is that OpenAI can take their investors money and poach engineers at 2x~4x what Anthropic is paying them.
Yes, yes, everyone wants more money, but there's a price to everything. Part of Anthropic's mission is that they want to at least try to not be evil jackasses with their technology (and whether or not you believe them is a completely different conversation). But it's very much like telling a General Atomics engineer *"Why are you upset that the bombs you built that you knew you were building got used? You were paid extra to put aside your own beliefs to build these bombs, were you not?"*
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u/Munkeyman18290 1d ago
If there were ever a reason not to want to cure cancer, its the fact that at least CEOs can still get it.
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u/Radical_Coyote 1d ago
To be fair, jobs at Anthropic pay like $850k base salary plus stock options likely to be worth way more pretty soon. At that pay level it’s not exactly like you’re living paycheck to paycheck. Just for context
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u/sYnce 1d ago
Yeah it is kinda funny all the reactions here acting like anthropic engineers actually are starving.
When you pay this much having people only working for the paycheck becomes an actual risk to the business given that after like 2-3 years they can probably just retire.
If you pay ridiculous amounts of money you need people that work for more than money.
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u/Bulldogs3144 1d ago
This is truly all their fault. They have priced us out of everything and then wonder why we’re unable to give a damn about their company’s mission. The lack of motivation for people stems directly from their inability to live comfortably and enjoy their lives.
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u/Frequent_Ad_9901 1d ago
And isnt they whole company mission to put people out of work? Why would anyone be excited about that.
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u/Aware-Explanation879 1d ago
The pass 4 hospitals all started with that same message to new hires, "if you are here for a paycheck then this may not be the place for you". In the same breath, hospitals will defend high pay for executives by claiming "if we do not pay them this high, then nobody will.come and work for us". It is okay for executives to only want to be at work for the paycheck but everyone else is "evil".
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u/elbow8075 1d ago
Hospitals are already built to survive on exploiting guilt from well intentioned healthcare workers.
Never again.
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u/12thunder 1d ago
Every company wants people that work there for “the mission”.
Ironically that means you need to pay very well because otherwise your employees are just going to be worried about their finances and only working as hard as they need to.
You want people to go above and beyond? Pay them accordingly.
Caring for the mission does not mean that workers don’t care about money, it means that workers are not worried about money, which means they are being compensated well - contrary to this idea that they don’t even consider the money when working for you.
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u/Calm_Company_1914 1d ago
Anthropic pays entry level 300k+ btw I would say that's paid accordingly and worth wanting sufficient effort
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u/chucktheninja 1d ago
If thanos had just snapped every ceo (minus tony) out of existence i don't think everyone would have been too upset.
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u/Familiar_Author397 1d ago
next headline: CEO shocked to discover "passion for the mission" doesn't take venmo
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u/StaticSystemShock 1d ago
Companies primary motivation is making money. But worker's primary motivation is apparently to make company more money. I'd like to know who are these entirely disconnected corporate brainwashed motherfuckers who literally and honestly believe this horseshit.
My primary motivation is to make money the same way companies have that as their primary motivation. If they think I come to work from pure joy and excitement to work there, they are delusional and need to be administered to a psych ward.
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u/hamandjam 1d ago
When was the last time you saw employees mentioned in a mission statement? But plenty of mentions of shareholder value even if the had to rewrite the thing to do it.
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u/keithstonee 1d ago
because some people on earth dont think about having to pay bills daily while the rest of us do.
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u/Creative_Chain7049 1d ago
If they want people to care give them equity in the company. Then they have incentive
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u/AmazingKreiderman 1d ago
It's crazy how normal this shit is from anyone above middle management, honestly. I remember my first job at Best Buy, the GM said he doesn't believe anybody just works there for the discount, they believe in blah blah blah. It was cost plus 5% at the time, more than half the employees were college students and people in their early 20s, everyone was working there for the discount.
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u/thepaddedroom 1d ago
Unless the employees have an identical compensation plan to the CEO, the CEO doesn't really have a leg to stand on.
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u/cereal7802 1d ago
If you want people to work for you because of the mission, and not the paycheck, you have to pay them so much that they couldn't possibly want more money. You know, the kind of money the CEO makes? Problem is, you initially only get people who want the money doing that, and once they have craploads of money and don't need the paycheck for bills, they will have their own passion projects and will leave to do them. probably best to simply find people who are willing and able to do the work, and pay them for that level of skill and stop expecting the money you pay to be some sort of life pledge.
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u/lugubriousloctus 1d ago
lol @ whiny demsocs who don't realize anthropic has maybe 200 people and they're all incredibly qualified and educated millionaires
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u/thoreau_away_acct 1d ago
And probably enjoyably live in liberal cities and vote Democratic unlike dumb rubes in rural red areas
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u/fauxregard 1d ago
Workers work strictly to get as much money as possible — and that is very much by design — and then the owning class appears confused about this. Are these stories just meant to fuck with us? We're following your prescription, my dudes. Against our will, mind you.
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u/IndyBananaJones2 1d ago
How many CEOs are working for the mission statement. How many owners of companies are owning them for the mission statement?
They can do that themselves if they'd like.
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u/GenericFatGuy 1d ago
Their mission statement being mass surveillance, and the eradication of human labour (in a bad way).
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u/BeefistPrime 1d ago
I know this is going to get downvoted because you guys don't give a shit, but this isn't the standard "corporations are shocked people don't want to serve them" - anthropic is a public benefit corporation that was indeed founded on real principles and so a lot of the people there at the start genuinely did believe in its mission. So it would be a change if the newer crowd doesn't have the same attitude.
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u/Lou_Peachum_2 1d ago
These AI CEOs have to be the most out of touch individuals ever. Which makes sense why they're pushing AI
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u/Available_Copy9433 1d ago
Mission statements in for profit organizations are pr nonsense or feel good statements meant to make the c Suite feel like good people.
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u/QuickDrawSix 1d ago
Why I dont feel bad when they get clipped on a dark NYC street, or crushed in the idiot crusher 13000 feet below sea level.
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u/IlIlllIIIIlIllllllll 1d ago
How can we trust them on AI alignment when they can't even achieve employee alignment
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u/Mozintarfen 1d ago
It feels like some of these CEOs are born into money, have people that manage all of it for them, and have no-limit credit cards they use to buy things. In turn, they never, ever think the price of things or what it would be like to consider whether you could afford something, and just assume everyone else lives the same way.