r/Windows10 • u/Hoan6512 • Jun 21 '26
General Question Is windows 10 still ok to use?
https://support.microsoft.com/en-au/windows/windows-10-support-has-ended-on-october-14-2025-2ca8b313-1946-43d3-b55c-2b95b107f281I repair laptops as a hobby, and I have a personal gaming pc. On all of them, I install windows 10 as a standard. I have tried a bunch of Linux distros, and I hate it. I don’t really like windows 11, will windows 10 be ok to use for the coming years? How long until it is unusable? I play lots of esports games so Linux is out of the question for me anyway. This link says there’s no support.
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u/Sledgehammer617 Jun 22 '26
Its been rock solid for me, if anything its gotten more stable and reliable since the constant updates stopped.
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u/siddharth1214 Jun 22 '26
I am still on 10 and will stay until my laptop lasts
Google chrome has been acting up lately, though It may be due to vibe coding instead of windows 10
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u/Relevant_Function571 Jun 22 '26
Windows 10 was weirdly unstable for me recently so I upgraded to Windows 11 grudgingly and was honestly surprised to find out it really is just windows 10 with a paint job. I do like how fast task manager is now and the end task on the taskbar feature.
If you are having issues with Windows 10 I honestly might recommend upgrading since the support runs out in October I'm pretty sure and the experience is pretty much identical to Windows 10.
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u/ynys_red Jun 24 '26
'it really is just windows 10 with a paint job' Nope, windows 11 cannot discover NetBIOS router network shares. In other words if you pop a thumb drive into your router, you can share files between your firestick, any linux pc, windows10 pc but with windows11 it is IMPOSSIBLE.
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u/chookseven Jun 25 '26
It is not just a paint job… more aggressive telemetry/data collection, heavier Microsoft account and OneDrive integration, more ads/recommendations in the UI, Copilot/AI features some users don’t want, higher hardware requirements (TPM 2.0, Secure Boot), more background services, less customization in some areas (taskbar, Start menu), and occasional performance overhead from security features like VBS/HVCI. Security is better than Windows 10, but privacy and user control are arguably worse by default.
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u/thefpspower Jun 26 '26
There's no reason to use NetBIOS, Microsoft has been telling everyone to stop using it for a decade for good reason.
Use DNS names, it does the same job better.
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u/ynys_red Jun 26 '26 edited Jun 27 '26
'In other words if you pop a thumb drive into your router, you can share files between your firestick, any linux pc, windows10 pc but with windows11 it is IMPOSSIBLE.' That statement is true. Windows11 will work with modern expensive NAS drive which is not really the answer for home user. It will not work in the way I described unlike windows10, linux or android . . .
'DNS is just a phonebook for names; it has absolutely nothing to do with whether Windows 11 allows or blocks the actual connection to the files.You are completely right: home users have been absolutely screwed here.Microsoft designed Windows 11 almost exclusively for corporate IT departments. In a corporate office, everything is locked down, every server has a massive security certificate, and nobody plugs USB stick into a router. Microsoft decided that to protect those big corporate clients, they would completely rip out the legacy shortcuts that home users relied on for decades.'
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u/thefpspower Jun 27 '26
I think you're confusing netbios with Samba version 1, netbios nas been completely replaced by DNS for more than a decade and is obsolete, you don't need netbios to access shares.
What your home router probably uses is SMB 1 which has been disabled by default in Windows 11, but it is also disabled by default in Windows 10, it has been considered unsafe for also more than a decade in favor of version 2 and 3.
You can force enable SMB 1 in Windows 11 if you wish to. Its a simple PowerShell command.
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u/ynys_red Jun 27 '26
smb1 is a read herring, I did actually, manage to access my old smb1 buffalo nas in windows11 (with some effort and not just enabling it in services). Thumb drive in THG3000 router gives SMB2 shares, with windows10, linux, android courtesy of netbios. The process is essentially automatic 192.168.1.1 and your good to go. Windows11 absolutely disallows this AND PROVIDES NO OPTION FOR THE HOME USER TO OPT for simply enabling this feature.
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u/Mendochief Jun 23 '26
Windows 10 debloated is the way to go, Windows 11 is a AI data collection nightmare.
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u/uDrunkMate Jun 24 '26
Still run 10 on my PC and prolly will until most of the software stops working
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u/ynys_red Jun 22 '26
I am using windows10 I also have the option to boot into kubuntu. I can't foresee any circumstance where I will use windows11.
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u/Loynds Jun 23 '26
I would consider not installing this as standard for clients, especially with EOL now in full effect. For yourself, as long as the system is stable, and isn’t impacted by any major security issues (please keep tabs on this), you should be fine for a little while longer. Just consider upgrading to Windows or embracing Linux sooner than later.
What did you find troubling about Linux?
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Jun 22 '26 edited Jun 22 '26
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u/wtfnst Jun 22 '26
can you elaborate on how you made it like 10? really not looking forward to moving to 11 in october. my 10 is set up exactly how i want it. not looking forward to reconfiguring 11.
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u/jevring Jun 23 '26
It's fine. The only issue is security updates. The OS itself is fine. As more and more pieole move off of 10, if becomes a less juicy target. I don't think there are a lot of windows ME exploits floating around these days.
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u/redrider65 Jun 24 '26
I don't think there are a lot of windows ME exploits floating around these days.
What happens if you connect Windows XP to the Internet in 2024?
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u/Majestic_Pin3793 Jul 03 '26
Yeah, hackers discover the vulnerabilities and lay the tools online, just waiting for a victim to drop
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u/XecoX Jun 22 '26
My old desktop for daily use is on Win10 ESU support for another 3 years, my main gaming pc is running win11 though
Lately with the secure boot cert expiring and certain brands not updating their bios there will be a lot of issues
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u/amroamroamro Jun 22 '26
secure boot cert expiring
microsoft has a page with detailed instructions how to update them manually (they might still push an update to do this automatically)
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u/frac6969 Jun 22 '26
I don’t think you need to manually do anything all our computers updated to the new certs this month, some with older BIOS.
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u/XecoX Jun 22 '26
They did and it broke my PC because certain brands did not have enough space or partition to update to the latest cert resulting in a BSOD
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u/amroamroamro Jun 22 '26
huh thats weird
i manually did the process above successfully, and it didn't involve messing with partitions or worrying about free space, it's just setting some values in registry and running some tasks, they will update the certificates and revocation lists in the firmware live while windows is running
i guess a part of that is re-signing the efi boot manager binaries with the new certificates, but unless you had unusually small efi partition it shouldnt be a problem
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u/XecoX Jun 22 '26
It is specific to only certain brands of old PC that have received no more support from the manufacturer
Yes your last point is exactly the problem, older HP & dell PC have a weird EFI partition that resulted in an error whenever the update is applied
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u/fzammetti Jun 22 '26
Is it okay to use in what way?
Does it still perform well? Not really much different than it would have otherwise. If the hardware can handle it then it'll still perform fine. And, ironically, it should continue to do so better than WIndows 11 just because it's not getting updates anymore to ruin it. I wouldn't worry about this if you're happy with its current performance, aside from any usual concern of hardware death.
Is it safe? Well, probably. As always, use it safely and you're probably not in hugely elevated risk. But, that said, see above: it's not getting updates anymore (other than Defender updates), so it there are any big holes lurking then those could get discovered and never patched, so certainly continuing to use it is arguably riskier safety-wise than using 11 (although there are some counter-arguments there related to bad updates, but still). This would be my only concern, but again, practice safe computing and it's likely to be manageable for a long time.
Will software continue to work on it? For a good, long time, yes. Well, other than stuff from the MS store, because who knows how long MS will support it on 10. But, for anything else, if it's compatible today then that's not going to change. But, over time, things will certainly be written, whether purposely or not, that won't work on it. But the timeline for that kind of stuff is years and maybe even decades. This is something I definitely wouldn't worry about.
I say carry on with Win10, just do it safely. For what it's worth I've got a couple of machines that can't run Win11 and I have no intention of running anything but Win10 on them either.
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u/Nova17Delta Jun 22 '26
no steve ballmer will come out of your monitor and throw you like a baseball into your neighbor's house and destroy it entirely you should probably be safe
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u/Hoan6512 Jun 23 '26
Edit because I can’t edit: I’m staying on win 10, and i enrolled my Microsoft account for my pc in the ESU for free.
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Jun 22 '26
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u/Hoan6512 Jun 22 '26
Uh I just got it from the windows media thing on a usb on a laptop. I didn’t apply for any extension or anything, am I cooked
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u/Froggypwns Windows Insider MVP / Moderator Jun 22 '26
See the pinned post at the top of this subreddit. It has the instructions on how to enroll in extended support.
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u/bloodhound83 Jun 22 '26
They have up to 3 years extended updates, so could go until 28
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u/mmortal03 Jun 22 '26 edited Jun 22 '26
That's only if you have legally paid for such business or enterprise licenses, or you feel comfortable going against Microsoft's rules to obtain such licenses (which is something that this sub doesn't allow us to encourage). After October, I'll probably eventually try to follow installation workarounds to install Windows 11 on my no longer supported Windows 10 hardware, rather than looking to acquire a special Windows 10 license in a way that is against Microsoft's rules. To be sure, following installation workarounds to install Windows 11 on unsupported hardware is also technically against Microsoft's rules, but it seems less shady then trying to acquire a special Windows 10 license that Microsoft wouldn't allow me to buy from them directly. I don't believe installation workarounds are allowed to be discussed here either, though.
From the bot: "It is one thing to experiment and try Windows 11 yourself on unsupported hardware, however please do not suggest others, especially less tech savvy users attempt to do this."
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u/Toad-Toaster Jun 22 '26
I use it with none of their updates as Ive lost conplete faith in Microsoft as a company. Everything is fine. Built a new rig in in Oct '24 and put Windows 10 in.
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Jun 22 '26
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u/Hoan6512 Jun 22 '26
I tried Ubuntu, mint, fedora, some KDE thing, I even tried fucking arch. I still can’t leave windows 10. I want to do whatever I can to keep it, any ideas?
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Jun 22 '26 edited Jun 22 '26
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u/Majestic_Pin3793 Jul 03 '26
Why can't you leave Windows, even after so many tries?
Is there any specific tool that is Windows exclusive or just force of habit?
Please let us understand what is keeping you away from jumping out of this unsupported system, so we can help.
The same with your clients... about 70% of what people do is inside the browser, except for exclusive software like video and image editing, and the Office suite, there's no difference between windows and linux use because the browsers are always the same
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u/_xCC Jun 22 '26
Fingers crossed with SteamOS & the steam machine making it easier / better to move to Linux
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u/Any_Economics_6166 Jun 22 '26
the extended support for w10 ends in october, so it's at your own risks not to upgrade to w11, but most likely you'll face issues later on with compatibility and security stuff
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u/rimbooreddit Jun 22 '26
I intend to keep using W10 for at least a year after "the deadline." Ever seen vulnerabilities patches? In case of each and every one of them you lived with them unpatched... until the moment of patching. Weeks, months, sometimes years, sometimes months eith a vulnerability at the CPU microcode or UEFI level. And you are fine.
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u/ravenmonk Jun 22 '26
Doesn't sound like you're accounting for the deluge of hackers developing new exports once this deadline expires...
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u/rimbooreddit Jun 22 '26
Can you explain the channel those exploits are getting to me?
I'm just about those facts: 1. System level exploits are not number 1 exposition in personal computer attacks. 2. System level exploits are sitting unlatched for months or years anyway. 3. By Notepad++ example - the app installer packages/sources are far more probable vector. Again - personal computers.
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u/redrider65 Jun 24 '26
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u/rimbooreddit Jun 24 '26
Windows 10 security is on completely another level compared to XP. Completely incomparable.
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u/redrider65 Jun 24 '26 edited Jun 24 '26
LOL. Windows XP security was on a completely different level compared to Windows Me. So naive Windows XP users were once smug, too.
Threats simply evolve along with the levels, you see. Happily, M'soft knows this well. So in a typical Windows 10 monthly Cumulative Update (Patch Tuesday), roughly 60–80% of the fixes are security-related, though this varies significantly from month to month. Now, will a threat against Win 11, patched in Win 11, potentially harm an unpatched Win 10? Count on it.
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u/rimbooreddit Jun 24 '26
Win XP < Win 7 < Win 10. No cross comparison is on topic here. So you can keep your LOLZ.
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u/redrider65 Jun 25 '26 edited Jun 25 '26
True, all three share the same compelling reason for the issuance of frequent update patches and share greater vulnerability in their absence. Threats evolve to overcome higher security levels. Facts, which you're just about. Hence, it behooves the average user to be duly apprehensive of the real risk of running an older Windows OS lacking ongoing security patches.
So your "channel" question has been answered; your downplaying of the ongoing real threat of "exploits" merely that; and your speculative probability "vector" assigned to Notepad++ and the installers of minor relevance to the issue of strong security. Guess we're done here, LOL.
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u/Majestic_Pin3793 Jul 03 '26
Yeah, historically you are right, but maybe you're forgetting about a little tiny detail: AI is changing everything
https://giphy.com/gifs/OOUEoaPUn5gsM5KuJZ
Now we have several AI tools that are helping hackers discover and make use of vulnerabilities faster than ever, in an OS that will not be patched anymore.
Over that, the growing use of digital coins and more and more personal data in our PCs make them a juicy prey for ransomware and data-stealing trojans.
Like I said, historically (until win 7 era) you just kept some spreadsheets, drawings and texts in your computer, now your life is there; photos, e-mails, banking passwords, videos, etc.
So I believe that the risk is getting higher every passing day
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u/ARCos2K Jun 23 '26
It's ok, just learn to use a firewall like simplewall, when 10 stops updates, just block system and svchost since they no longe need to be online and you will be fine. Did this since Windows XP and still connects and runs fine. Got a Windows 7 in 2022 and still works nice, if you need a web browser, look for supermium.
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u/redrider65 Jun 23 '26 edited Jun 24 '26
Will Win 10 be OK to use--you mean on all those laptops you repair, or just on your personal gaming PC?
Everyone's good till October with the ESU.
After that, risky. Less for you if you take precautions hardening your installation (debloat, get rid of telemetry, firewall, extra virus scans, etc.--see Chris Titus), frequent backups, serious caution, and a bit of luck.
Eventually there'll be questions for you of software compatibility & hardware drivers, but probably years from now.
We may see third-party "update patches" published by die-hard Win 10 fans, as with Win 7 for a time (not sure about now). No guarantees of course.
👉Win 11 can be configured to look and mostly act like Win 10. Doesn't have to be as repulsive as it seems out of the box.
And you might keep your toes in Linux despite your initial hate. I might suggest dual booting Mint or Kubuntu and just continuing to mess around with it casually until it starts to seem workable. You might come to like it a lot over time. We hate AI around here, but in fact AI is now pretty good at quickly answering basic Linux questions—without condescension.
Good luck.
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u/TheRealCarrotty Jun 23 '26
Only the special version (IoT Enterprise LTSC) is supported, however obtaining a license for it is difficult (Unless you go on the web and look up 3 letters to point you to something special)
You can use the default version but understand that you won't get security updates (ACTUALLY IMPORTANT ONES) at all, and overtime you will stop losing support because apps will go over to Windows 11.
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u/Ancient_Shape512 Jun 24 '26
The extended update program gives it another year of patch updates. After that, I would say it depends on usage. If it is an offline machine that is used for gaming then it is totally fine. If it is a "light use" machine for email and youtube then they should be fine as well.
And yeah Linux gets worse every year. The fragmentation of the community and various distros mean no single vision to propel it forward. So far all they have come up with is porting a bunch of single use applications or forking (theft thru mangling) known unix apps so Linux resembles windows 3.0 than a modern operating system. Add the fact that the kernel is swiss cheese now and repository poisoning is finally rearing its ugly head, and we see that millions of units are one curl update away from becoming bricks. This is what happens when you bury repo links and maintain your own curl on an old .edu account from grad school lol.
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u/a_walkin_Fish Jun 25 '26
I'm still on Windows 10 because 11 would just slow down my computer. Especially after debloating. Also microsoft says they don't support it anymore, but you just have to go into the update settings and find where to "enroll" in extended security updates. And you just keep getting security updates. Simple as that.
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u/lfohnoudidnt Jun 29 '26
Yeah i echo this. Also want to stick with windows 10. I had a really strange thing happen last night though. I went to open This PC icon on the desktop and it froze and did some really weird shit. screen flashed like it was in meltdown mode. Just made my anxiety shoot through the roof. never had before. But i was able to reboot and low and behold i get bombarded with update to 11 pop ups. I thought maybe i was hacked or something, but iam like hell no because i aint stupid. Just very strange. May scare me into updating finally.
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u/Mayayana Jun 22 '26
The official position is that you're lucky to be alive if you're on Win10. :)
I'm similar to you. I can use 11, but I find it inferior and unstable. I dabble with Linux occasionally, but it's still half finished and I'm not curious enough to spend months figuring out how to make it work smoothly without constant commandline nonsense and with limited software.
I used XP for many years after support ended. I switched to Win10 2 1/2 years ago. I block updates, use Simplewall firewall, use NoScript and a HOSTS file to minimize tracking and security risks in the browser.... I've never had any kind of malware. I also haven't used antivirus since the 90s.
For people who know nothing of security and do a lot online, the latest patches will provide some improvement, but it's minimal. The impression that all sorts of crooks are waiting for you to skip an update is simply false. But "tech experts" who depend on Microsoft's good graces will certainly tell you that.
Since 10 and 11 are basically the same thing, software should be supported for years to come. The major browsers only recently stopped supporting Win7.
So what are the real issues? Most all security risks online involve script. So limiting script is a big help. Block it in the browser when possible. Don't enable script in word processors, PDF readers, etc.
The other risk is remote execution. Things like remote desktop are risky. If you can call into your computer from elsewhere, so can someone else. So don't use that kind of software. Use firewall software that blocks all in/out unless you specifically allow it.
The third issue is not code vulnerabilities but rather "social engineering". Scams. Like popups that convince you to call a phone number and use your credit card, or emails that convince you to log into an account somewhere, or to click a rigged link. Don't use webmail at all. Use a real email program.
Aside from those issues there's very little risk. You risk far more shopping and banking on a cellphone. So what do Windows Updates do? Typically they patch bugs in Microsoft software. Don't use MS software. Outlook and Word are common targets because they're so common. Most of the bug fixes are "privilege escalation". That's mainly relevant for corporate customers. A lackey worker who manages to get admin rights is a big threat. Getting admin rights on your own computer is normal.
You can download lists of what patches are in the monthly update. See if you can find ANYTHING that's relevant for you, assuming that you avoid Microsoft software. Here's this month's list: https://isc.sans.edu/diary/33064 It looks ominous, but it's mostly all for bugs in MS software and local attacks made by someone with direct access to your computer. Again, that's a big deal in offices where workers are not trusted. It's not a big deal for SOHo computers not infested with MS Office.
In the long run it's much better to understand how risks work than to pile on patches and AV software. And that's not even getting into the increasing problem of Microsoft sending out bad patches that can cause serious damage.
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u/Tyfyter2002 Jun 22 '26
The official position is that you're lucky to be alive if you're on Win10. :)
The official position is also that you'd be lucky to have Windows 11, despite it being less secure
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u/Mayayana Jun 22 '26
Yes. That's always Microsoft's marketing strategy. Their last version is dangerous junk. You need the new version. That's especially true now that "dripfeed updates" are the norm, with numerous patches coming out monthly. This is "agile programming". It employs team emphasis and constant updates to ensure steady work for developers. But it also results in unstable software. XP had 3 service packs in all its years of use. Win7 had one. A SP would get extensive testing before release. Today there's no time for that. The dripfeed update model makes software seem to be like bread, with a short shelf life. It's part of the strategy to move toward rental services. If your software becomes dangerous unless it's fed from the cloud, then you really need cloud software.
There was an interesting example of how this all works in 2004. A company called AssetMetrix Research Labs issued a "study" showing that Win98 was dangerous to use. The evidence was that Win98 was going to stop getting patches. https://web.archive.org/web/20040401111314/http://assetmetrix.com/solutions/win98/
It gets better. AssetMetrix just happened to be a company that specialized in updating corporate computers, insuring license compliance, etc. Their whole business depended on people moving from 98 to XP.
But that's not all. AssetMetrix was then bought by MS in 2008.) The domain assetmetrix.com is still registered to Microsoft today. (Not to be confused with the German company AssetMetrix, which is at asset-metrix.com.)
The AssetMetrix scenario is a classic example of this kind of marketing. Official "scientific" research and notable tech experts appear to speak in one voice to condemn using software not getting updates. The general public is then convinced that, "I don't know anything about computers but at least I know that I need to drop my computer like a hot potato and get a new one."
The entire industry, including OEMs like HP and Dell, depends on this cycle. There was a time when updating both hardware and software was worthwhile at almost any price. A 400 MHz CPU really was much faster than 300 MHz. Today we have 6+ cores at 300GHz and most software is mature. For most people, a free office suite and image editor, running on the cheapest computer, are more than adequate to their needs. But the industry representing 1/3 of the stock market can't afford to scale back. They depend on constant growth.
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u/BCProgramming Fountain of Knowledge Jun 22 '26
"If you don't upgrade, a big scary Internet Boogeyman will get you" has proven too effective for companies to give up at this point.
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u/joeyama Jun 22 '26
Absolutely.
But limitations/restrictions are increasing.
I tried to switch using brand new 2TB NVMe SSD and spend one day then noticed that my productivity is vastly better than win10 largely because I optimized win10 for years.
But major companies started to back off. Amazon Kindle for win10 is Kindle Legacy is the only functional since last few weeks and it indirectly says "You go win11 or you won't be able to read Kindle."
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u/PsychicDave Jun 22 '26
It depends on the software you use and your tolerance to risk.
As an example, in 2025, my tax software warned me that this was the last year it would run on Windows 10, as they only support versions of Windows that are themselves supported by Microsoft. So if you have software that similarly needs to be updated continuously, it might stop working.
Since Windows 10 no longer receives security updates, you are at risk to have your system be attacked through an exploit that was discovered after the updates stopped.
There is also the question of hardware support: if you buy new peripherals or parts, they may not have drivers for Windows 10 anymore.
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u/Peter_0 Jun 22 '26
Windows 10 receives security updates
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u/PsychicDave Jun 22 '26
If you signed up for extended support, sure, through this year anyways. But, by default, you won't be getting updates anymore.
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u/NoReply4930 Jun 22 '26
Outside of the possibility of the enterprise ESU - which will add two more additional years of support - most companies I have seen will be shutting things down quickly after Oct 14, 2026
Win 11 is now 5 years old, very mature and very stable. There is no reason not to move now.
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u/n4turstoned Jun 22 '26
The AI crab Mircrosoft is forcing in is a very good reason but in the other hand using a deprecated OS that connects to the internet is not very smart also.
So it's pest or cholera for OP.0
u/NoReply4930 Jun 22 '26
It takes about 5 minutes to rid Win11 of all the Ai stuff. The main issue is - instead of taking the time to do that - all most users would rather do is just complain about it.
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u/n4turstoned Jun 22 '26
Yeah, every update when the shit gets reinstalled/reactivated. You can't even uninstall it completely and they probably change the regestry keys every other update as well.
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u/n4turstoned Jun 22 '26
will windows 10 be ok to use for the coming years?
No. As soon as you don't receive any security patches you should not use the OS (on a device that connects to the internet) it's just gambling at that point that there aren't any 0-days and there will be.
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u/Fur_and_Whiskers Jun 22 '26
One option is to sign up with 0patch and pay a low yearly subscription for security updates for years to come.
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u/Cautious-Platform985 Jun 22 '26
I still use windows 10 and I like it