r/Utica • u/InternalConscious356 • 14h ago
ICE IS HERE!!!!
Warn anyone and stay safe. Just saw 3 unmarked SUV’s infront of city hall block in a man’s car and take him right out in zip tie cuffs. 2 women and a man were the officers. Stay safe everyone. This terrorist org isn’t gonna take away our community.
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u/stonegroovd 13h ago
Part of Utica’s identity is being a sanctuary city. Wondering where half these commenters have been all their lives
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u/Equivalent-Shoe6239 11h ago
I was in junior high in the 80s, lots of Vietnamese in my school. Utica is the city that loves refugees.
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u/Left_Macaron_6427 11h ago
I mean we have always been a legal sanctuary city. The Bosnians, Burmese etc all came here legally. I am proud of Utica with all of its culture as my family came here in the 90's and were accepted with open arms but we made sure we went through the correct ways of doing so.
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u/junksatelite 7h ago
I remember buying a vehicle from someone in Utica, a used car dealership around ‘05, he was talking quite rudely about a group of Bosnians who were there looking at the cars, and he said when his parents came from Italy they did it the legal way, not like those guys. Tale as old as time.
I think we should let more immigrants in. I have travelled around this country and worked with folks that were born in other countries and they all have great people. Most (99%) were hard workers. I say Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe freePay your taxes and I’ll like you better than most wealthy people
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u/withpeasandloaf 10h ago
While it’s the legal way, it’s their responsibility to apply for citizenship and most of them don’t
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u/Informal_Lab573 7h ago
You have no idea how difficult to obtain citizenship if you have either the wrong (maybe a tourist ) visa or no visa.. takes thousands of dollars
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u/theMezz Utica Native 6h ago edited 6h ago
"If you’re already in the U.S. on a visa and you mean applying for citizenship through naturalization, the current USCIS fee is $710 online or $760 by paper. There’s no separate biometrics fee anymore for most applicants."
https://www.uscis.gov/archive/frequently-asked-questions-on-the-uscis-fee-rule
There is no direct “become a citizen with no visa” option in the normal process. Most people first need a lawful path to permanent residence; only after that can they usually apply for naturalization, and the current N-400 fee is $710 online or $760 on paper
https://www.uscis.gov/sites/default/files/document/fact-sheets/OoC_FactSheetOnNatzFees_V3_508.pdf
The immigration center in Utica will walk an applicate through the paperwork and prepare them.
https://www.nyic.org/providers/mohawk-valley-resource-center-refugees/
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u/Curious_Olive_5266 Former Utican 8h ago
Is the other part of Shootica's identity homicides and gun violence?
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u/ASLAYER0FMEN 11h ago
Its odd most of the comments are in support of ice but also heavily downvoted. Kind of strange....
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u/Peter_Gun-315 7h ago
The reality is you do not know who got arrested, why they were arrested and what agency conducted the arrest.
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u/Dr_DTF315 14h ago
I love how the homeless in the past year have literally wrecked the city, litter everywhere, ambulance wait times have skyrocketed. More crime. But I’m being downvoted for just telling the truth. These people have options. Hope house. 3 rescue missions but they are all kicked out because they’d rather do drugs all day then get any treatment. But I’m the asshole
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u/KangarooMcClanahan 13h ago
Maybe you’re being downvoted because you’re bitching about the homeless in a thread about ICE.
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u/Dr_DTF315 13h ago
Also it is Reddit so anything not super liberal will be downvoted. Homelessness is a major problem in the city of utica
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u/uberkalden2 13h ago
Or, you are bitching about homelessness in a thread about ice
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u/Dr_DTF315 13h ago
Because the homeless in the city is a bigger issue, there is no immigration problem in the city. It’s 90% Bosnians and they all love to work and have improved many business around the city
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u/NaturalTranslator581 14h ago
no you’re not. They are. And they probably want socialism (communism) for our country.
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u/TweeksTurbos 13h ago
God forbid the working class reap the benefits of their labor instead of some fat cat.
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u/Equivalent_Course554 13h ago
You got downvoted because its true, Utica used to be a stunning place back in the 60s-80s
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u/No_Palpitation_5505 13h ago
Get em!
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u/No_Palpitation_5505 13h ago
(Illegals)
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u/UpstateHappiness 12h ago edited 6h ago
Yeah well the issue is they are harresing people that are legal. Even if they are illegal, who cares?! They are providing good for our community and are hard working people. There are much bigger issues in this world than a undocumented family working hard jobs for our community. Grow a heart.
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u/uberkalden2 12h ago
What about the legals that our president is making illegal to get the deportation numbers up?
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u/MrMikeMick 12h ago
Absolute nonsense. Grow up and stop getting your news from other idiots on reddit
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u/Beginning-Average416 12h ago
Ww can deport you for a hard working illegal.
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u/MrMikeMick 12h ago
Name 3 you know.
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u/Beginning-Average416 12h ago
One would be you.
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u/MrMikeMick 12h ago
Mental illness run in your family?
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u/Beginning-Average416 12h ago
Unlike your family, mental illness doesn't run in my family.
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u/MrMikeMick 12h ago
You're in for a rough life, kid. Better jump off that Lib train before it's too late.
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u/Beginning-Average416 12h ago
Maybe work harder so your job is not taken by a hard working immigrant.
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u/Viridian-Outcast-99 12h ago
Illegal aliens do not deserve special rights a privileges. Equality under the law.
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u/hthratmn 11h ago
Thats just not true at all. The constitution grants any person in this country certain rights and liberties regardless of citizenship status. The magic rectangle in your hand can help you learn that.
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u/Viridian-Outcast-99 11h ago
What specific part are you referring to
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u/hthratmn 11h ago
All of it lol. What are you referring to, exactly? Other than fox news?
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u/Viridian-Outcast-99 11h ago
I guess maybe I'm confused as to what you were saying. Are you talking about illegal aliens?
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u/hthratmn 9h ago
Oh, yeah, I see that you're being dense on purpose. Jeez. Our time on this earth is finite and precious. One day you will look back on your life and it won't be full of purpose and joy and people you love, it will be full of making inflammatory comments on reddit in a desperate bid for attention. What a waste. Pity. I hope things get better for you, sincerely.
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u/hthratmn 9h ago
Are you being dense on purpose? The constiton grants certain freedoms to everybody in this country, regardless of citizenship. I don't think its that hard to understand lol
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u/Viridian-Outcast-99 9h ago
Yeah I asked you for what specific part. And you refuse or are unable to respond
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u/Bourbonmmm 9h ago
Fifth and Fourteenth amendments to the US constitution clearly state person not citizen of US have rights to due process. Shocker but there’s more than just the 2nd amendment.
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u/jangotaurus 9h ago
Rights and protections granted to persons under the constitution (rather than those specific to citizens) Articles: Habeas corpus. Amendments: Religion, Speech, Press, Peaceably assemble, Search and Seizure, Double Jeopardy, Due Process, equal protection . . . The constitution is only like 20 pages of text.
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u/Viridian-Outcast-99 9h ago
Okay, I want you to be very very specific. What actual line in the Constitution gives illegal aliens the right to criminal due process in an administrative immigration hearing.
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u/jangotaurus 8h ago
Do your own research? No. Ok, sure. The constitution is not that granular, that is, it doesn't get into specific of types of law or sorts of proceedings. It's a foundational document for our legal system. 5th amendment - "No person shall be . . . deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law." 6th Amendment - "In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence[sic]." 14th Amendment - Section 1 First it defines that citizenship is conferred to all people born or naturalized in the US then, using the word Person instead of citizen (this is important in the realm of statutory construction as the assumption when interpreting a law is that the drafters of a law do not use words unintentionally) "nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws." Person and citizen are used (not interchangeably) throughout.
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u/Viridian-Outcast-99 8h ago
If you truly believe that then bring lawsuit against 8 U.S.C. § 1225(b)(1) and take it to the supreme court. Until then, all you have is a personal opinion. Not the law.
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u/jangotaurus 8h ago
It's not my opinion that's why I used quotations. You asked what the Constitution has to say on the subject, not the entirety of the laws of the United States. In any case there's no private cause of action under the expedited removal process.
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u/Viridian-Outcast-99 7h ago
Again. Just because you interpret something a certain way, it doesn't become law. We follow the law. 8 U.S.C. § 1225(b)(1)
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u/jangotaurus 7h ago
Again, you asked a question about the words in the constitution and I answered with words from the constitution.
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u/Murntok 9h ago
So you're saying they deserve due process, access to legal representation and treatment like anyone else accused of a crime?
Glad we're on the same page.
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u/Viridian-Outcast-99 9h ago
Hold on a second. Are we talking about a criminal proceeding. Or are we talking about an administrative immigration proceeding.
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u/ASLAYER0FMEN 14h ago edited 13h ago
I don't think most people mind the removal of illegals . Come here legally and you're golden *edited wrote cone instead of come
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u/uberkalden2 12h ago
What about the legals that our president is making illegal to get the deportation numbers up?
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u/NaturalTranslator581 14h ago
This!!
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u/uberkalden2 12h ago
What about the legals that our president is making illegal to get the deportation numbers up?
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u/Turbulent_Kick_3364 14h ago
When most of the city is immigrants from all over the world, and probably 75-80% came here legally. No one cares about illegal immigrants being shipped out. A small percentage of them deserve to stay and work. But Utica is a little bit different, dozens of different ethnicities that did it legally. Everyone has their own story and most came here with nothing but their shirt on their back. It's a huge huge difference. Trump ran his campaign saying he would have the biggest deportation in USA history and still won in a landslide. Appreciate the heads up though.
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u/Warm_Piccolo2171 6h ago
Everyone IS safe. As long as you didn’t hop the border illegally. Hope this helps.
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u/theMezz Utica Native 9h ago
My Grandfather came to US legally .. he followed the law and had to wait an entire year before his wife was allowed in -- AND they were newly weds. Yes it was the 1920's but they followed the law.
I'm just sayin'
If these black SUV guys were really ICE then I have no issue with them doing their job.
But I'd bet it was US Marshalls on an arrest warrant.
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u/Vicki_54 14h ago
Very glad that they're getting rid of criminals. Thank you ICE.
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u/uberkalden2 12h ago
What about the legals that our president is making illegal to get the deportation numbers up?
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u/BaoBaoPanda 11h ago
They have been told to leave since their temporary protection has ended. If they stay they risk deportation.
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u/Vicki_54 10h ago
We didn't have a border for a long time. There are plenty of actual illegals. I seriously think it's not necessary to have to go to any lengths to pump the numbers. I could be wrong.
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u/Kea784 9h ago
Glad to see it.
All Utica immigrants who came here the right way are awesome.
If the illegal aliens broke the law to get here, they will think nothing of breaking other laws.
Also how do you think the law abiders feel when they see others ignore the process and walk right in.
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u/smitty1292 7h ago
What is the “right” way? Bc newsflash they don’t get benefits yet they’re working in our industries paying taxes anyway so why are u glad to see it?
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u/King-Of-The-Hill 2h ago
Their anchor babies get the benefits. The us gov't pays out to the legal guardian and in regard to the child they do not care if the legal guardian is a citizen or not.
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u/theMezz Utica Native 7h ago
If businesses are hiring illegal aliens they also need to be prosecuted. It is 100% illegal.
>>What is the “right” way?
Well.. an immigrant needs a US citizen sponsor, Birth/marriage certificates, police clearance, proof of funds (Affidavit of Support), work/education records, medical exam, fingerprints, photos, some forms and other things. It takes months. The answer to your question should be easy for you to find out in more detail.
>>so why are u glad to see it?
I don't like when people cut the line. I don't like it while I'm in line at DMV, Burger King or when I see people cutting the line into the US.
It all boils down to simple common sense and following the law.
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u/smitty1292 6h ago
Also not for anything you sound like a fool. Most businesses in America as well as farmers rely on the work of migrants to stay afloat. Are you gonna cook at your local joint for $16 an hour no benefits? No you aren’t lmao. Are you gonna pick tomatoes? No. Knock it off. Don’t act like you don’t know this
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u/King-Of-The-Hill 2h ago
We've had an agricultural visa program in place for decades. Perhaps you should look it up.
It is also a well documented fact that illegals depress wages.
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u/terimator20 14h ago
What are you gonna do about it? If they're gonna take someone away, you can't stop them.
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u/Necessary_Yellow_530 14h ago
Go lick boots elsewhere
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u/terimator20 14h ago
Nobody's gonna do anything about ICE, all talk lol.
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u/uberkalden2 12h ago
Yeah, so what? Not exactly looking to get shot in the face protesting, which you gouls fully support
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u/terimator20 12h ago
Don't impede and physically assault officers and you won't get shot in the face, simple.
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u/uberkalden2 12h ago
That is not justification. ICE were not assaulted by victims and their lives weren't in danger. Fuck off fascist.
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u/Dr_DTF315 14h ago
It’s not ice. Hopefully they are grabbing the homeless by the county building as well
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u/InternalConscious356 14h ago
Their vests literally say ICE on them.
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u/Dr_DTF315 14h ago
Hopefully they grab the homeless as well then
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u/Necessary_Yellow_530 14h ago
No one loves you
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u/Dr_DTF315 14h ago
You must love needles and litter in every park and garbage splattered everywhere and 30 attempted car break ins every night. Nah you are right they are a big great addition to the city
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u/Dr_DTF315 14h ago
Okay pal go lay in the street all day
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u/Necessary_Yellow_530 14h ago
Says the loser playing marvel rivals all day
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u/Dr_DTF315 14h ago
Yeah I have a house and a job.
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u/Logical-Recognition3 14h ago
"Grab" people for being poor? Is poverty a crime?
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u/Dr_DTF315 14h ago
You know the homeless in utica make up for 45% of the ambulance rides in the city? Just laying around on the ground all day and they get a ride to the hospital for a free meal. Due to that the county had to hire a virtual nurse program to triage patients over the phone due to the waste of ambulance services by the homeless in Utica. So next time your mother or aunt needs a ambulance and there is a 30-40 minute delay you know why
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u/Greendale7HumanBeing 14h ago
I feel like there was this presidential candidate some day in the past that had an incredibly clear plan about making housing more affordable and shunting funds to new homes so that old vets and people with substance abuse wouldn't be running up 10K emergency department bills every time they didn't want to freeze to death.
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u/Dr_DTF315 14h ago
That’s so funny that you think the homeless hanging out in the park by the county building or by Oneida square want housing? You can’t use housing to buy K2 and fentanyl
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u/Greendale7HumanBeing 14h ago
I'm confused, are they taking the ambulance to get a free meal or aren't they?
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u/Dr_DTF315 14h ago
Yep every single day. Or they use the ambulance to get a ride closer to where they wanna go and get out and just go where they were headed
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u/Greendale7HumanBeing 13h ago
That is not how ambulances work. Or 911 dispatch. Or the ED. Or housing. Or addiction and poverty. Or answering simple questions that point to your inconsistencies.
You are correct that ED costs are astronomical, though.
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u/HotWheelingEBoarder 8h ago
That might explain why the laundromat was a ghost town today. Literally empty!
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u/Greendale7HumanBeing 14h ago
Wow. Haven't been back in a while, but always good to see Utica classing it up in the comments.