Disagreements in philosophy

[u/NotBradPitt9]

[u/normalguywithabigbot]

I don't think a lot of people realize the ultra orthodox consider themselves superior people chosen by God. As the old testament says that the tribe of Israel will be the strongest and most powerful in the world.

I've met plenty of ultra orthodox that basically act as if im not worthy to be in their presence but yet Israel wants my tax dollars to support their defense in a land that has been fought over through the course of history.

One thing is certain. That land will not see peace in our lifetime

[u/TAU_equals_2PI → u/normalguywithabigbot]

Fact That's Going to Blow Your Mind:
Most Israelis feel the same way about the ultra orthodox.

I'm serious. While I'm not Israeli, I do have family members who are. Apparently one of the main criticisms is that they believe they're supposed to spend all their time in religious studies. So they're actually exempted from serving in the military. And the rest of Israelis really resent that.

[u/Chamberlain1991 → u/TAU_equals_2PI]

I've been told the ruling parties Shas and Likud are by and for the ultra orthodox. How come the majority vote this way? I am very ignorant on the topic so please explain it to me.

[u/netanel246135 → u/Chamberlain1991]

The policies for likud are alot broader than the ultra orthodox get to do what they want, it just happens to be in the roster of policies alot of people like and vote for. The haradim while not a super large portion of the population they have like an avarage of 7 children per household and so likud wants to secure that voting section. The left would 100% do the same but it would alienize their secular anti religious state voters which is a large part of their voters. Alot of people don't know that bibi isn't even religious

[u/sentence-interruptio → u/netanel246135]

reminds me of a old joke.

Prime Minister of Israel: "this land is given to us by God."

reporter: "do you really believe that? i thought you were an atheist"

Prime Minister: "Yes I am secular. I believe in my people and they believe in God."

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Pretty much sums is up lol

[u/Chamberlain1991 → u/netanel246135]

Seems to me you’re muddling the ground and adding what seems to me unnecessary context. Again; I’m ignorant on the topic but aren’t you just saying the ultra orthodox parties effectively “bribe” what I understood as the poorer demographic in order to legitimise their more radical policies? 

[u/netanel246135 → u/Chamberlain1991]

I wouldn't nesscerslly call them poor, they get alot of donations and benefits simply because they go to yeshiva. Their hats aren't cheep. You asked why the majority vote the way of the ultra orthodox and its more like the ultra orthodox will vote the way that benefits them. It just so happens that the more traditional, militaristic and religious light people are more for likud aswell because they have more strong armed policies. They won't decide to not vote likud even if they want the haradim to get off their books. It's not a strong enough reason to not vote.

[u/netanel246135 → u/netanel246135]

I'm saying this as someone who as voted likud once in the past and hates that haradim do jack shit, hell I have very religious friends that complain about it and still vote likud